I'm talking about him verbally telling Clemmons to pick up the ball, not talking about a violation.
Holy cow, this crew has no business officiating another Big Ten game the rest of the season
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The issue is that he did not attempt to look for or pick up the ball. When the ball is available and the player makes no attempt to retrieve it, the count wiil start.
It's not in the rules for the ref to issue a warning, nor to tell the players the rules. It's major college basketball.
Clemons ignored ball. 5 seconds was correct call. Refs misses mugging of Jok especially in first half. Jok then gets called for two little touch fouls at mid court too that were bad. Refs also missed a couple of obvious traveling calls including one on Clemons I think
It would not be appropriate for an official to request a player to pick up a ball after a made basket or free throw. I hope that clarifies it for you.
And this is what makes good officials over bad officials. It's not in the rule book to have to explain your calls to coaches or players. It's not in the rule book that you even have to talk to players or officials. The bad officials do exactly what I'm talking about, they have no communication between players and coaches. I believe the guys name is Tim Higgins that fits this bill. Your right it's major college basketball and no official should have any problem warning a player he's going to start his 5 second clock. It's also should be major college officiating as well.
The worst call in my mind was the foul on Jok when he was trying to cut through the lane and was basically tackled. And how was that a no call when Baer got plowed into when he was receiving the pass at mid-court when breaking their pressure?
Ridiculous. Bo Borowski is the worst official in the league.
Ridiculous. Bo Borowski is the worst official in the league.
Agreed as far as starting the 5 count. I think the TO call was in time but ignored.
Interesting because I've experienced a lot of officials do this. A lot and generally they where the good officials. I hope that clarifies it for you.
I would agree with you, but I saw eye contact between the zebra and Gesell in time for the timeout to be called. Plenty of time. A couple of seconds maybe. I think it was a brain fart on behalf of the ref.
At the non-varsity or lower level, I would agree with you.
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Here's from a post in another thread:
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Peter Jok on Purdue's grabby defense: "They were holding me. (Refs) told coach I was acting. I guess I’ve got to stop acting, I don’t know.”
- Chad Leistikow per Twitter
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Now THAT's just plain bull****. That alone should get those striped shirt clowns banned. We have the video evidence. They do know these games are televised, right? I guess Pete's such a great actor and magician he can put his jersey into the hands of an opposing player and feign being knocked from one side of the lane to the other over and over and over again. That is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard, and I've heard Donald Trump try to talk.
I was pretty upset about the officials before. After reading this from Leistikow, WOW. Talk about blind, arrogant, cheating jackasses. WOW. C'mon, Big Ten. Show some sense of fair play and publicly sanction these "officials."
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Peter Jok on Purdue's grabby defense: "They were holding me. (Refs) told coach I was acting. I guess I’ve got to stop acting, I don’t know.”
- Chad Leistikow per Twitter
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Now THAT's just plain bull****. That alone should get those striped shirt clowns banned. We have the video evidence. They do know these games are televised, right? I guess Pete's such a great actor and magician he can put his jersey into the hands of an opposing player and feign being knocked from one side of the lane to the other over and over and over again. That is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard, and I've heard Donald Trump try to talk.
I was pretty upset about the officials before. After reading this from Leistikow, WOW. Talk about blind, arrogant, cheating jackasses. WOW. C'mon, Big Ten. Show some sense of fair play and publicly sanction these "officials."
This might have been the worst officiated game Iowa's seen all year.
So if the time out is being requested and the officials arm continues the count that makes it the correct call? Start the count they should have picked up the ball but if you see the timeout request and continue to count does that make it incorrect?
Apparently, the only time something happens to refs is if it comes down to the wire...
MAC suspends 2 refs for failing to call foul on Ball State in 2OT win
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...missing-call-ball-state-eastern-michigan-game
MAC suspends 2 refs for failing to call foul on Ball State in 2OT win
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...missing-call-ball-state-eastern-michigan-game
It was way too long, you're right, but he very clearly signaled for TO in time, and so did MG. For them to miss both of them was inexcusable. As I watched, I just thought it was wildly inconsistent and streaky. I didn't honestly feel like it was lopsided one way or the other overall. I did feel that when Purdue got down, their comeback bid was greatly aided by the officials, but we'd caught some breaks earlier in the game.
I agree with Enosmohawk....That's how I called it (as a registered referee)
for 35 years.........
for 35 years.........
I think Tom Izzo has been making some phone calls.
Sad part is, he seems to run the league and they listen to him.
Sad part is, he seems to run the league and they listen to him.
He may have been at five when mike was calling it. Now if mg called for a to and the official made another count with his arm you might be right but i didn't see that. Maybe someone has a vine or gif of it.
You guys seem to think bad officiating is new in the B1G. It has always been bad. Or at least the 30+ years watching B1G basketball. Y'all must have never seen Hightower, Burr, or Valentine ref a game before.
It is getting to that time when officials go back to their old ways, just like last year. Grabbing/holding/murder are now play ons again.
That is exactly what I was thinking, Eppy! They had done an OK job so far this year of not allowing defensive players to get their hands on the offensive players ... until this game. They had it out for Jok. I am glad he was a gamer and kept playing through it.
I only got to watch about 1/3 of the game on BTN2GO and the rest was listening to Dolph. At on point, early second half,right after Iowa's run to start the half, he said that Steratore missed an over and back on Purdue then they went down and scored. He said that Steratore acknowledged to Fran that he missed the call at the next stoppage of play.
I haven't seen it talked about, on this thread, unless I missed it. So I am assuming Dolph was exaggerating how bad of a call it was, but Bobby also mentioned it.
I haven't seen it talked about, on this thread, unless I missed it. So I am assuming Dolph was exaggerating how bad of a call it was, but Bobby also mentioned it.
It was bad and no doubt a violation. I respect an official for just saying I missed it. Instead of that little f'n troll, Mike Sanzere by compounding his own error giving a technical foul.
If you have been officiating over 30 years and are still doing high school games what kind of official do you think that is? Pretty bad i would think.
I don't recall seeing an official tell player to pick up ball. In fact, I have seen officials place ball on floor for out of bounds play because of delay of in response from inbounding team. It happened at MSU and Iowa women game . The count starts when ref puts ball on floor.
Same with after basket. Ref decides when player could have picked up and starts his count. It did look like the ref made one more count after MG requested Time out but that was my biased observation. The fact that Fran didn't blow up completely tells me there was some doubt.
This. I agree about starting the count - no ref tells the players he is starting the count in that situation...but it looked to me that MG called for a TO (because he knew the count was started). The ref clearly counted 1 more second & then called 5 seconds with MG standing in his face calling TO.
I doubt that the refs started their counts when you had guys like Swanigan slowly walking to go inbound the ball either... As for the MG timeout, he started calling for it after AC was calling for it. It was a blatant disregard by a ref who's sole job in that time is to count, look for timeouts, and make sure AC doesn't cross the line when in-bounding the ball.
Douche. Maybe it's a guy who likes his job/jobs.
Better yet what kind of douche responds with a post like this?
High school refs are normally terrible, it's a fair response.
I believe Enos is correct. Refs are specifically forbidden from coaching, and telling a player he needs to pick up the ball is not officiating, it's coaching.
I would disagree. But would that mean they can't be good officials? There are some damn good singers who don't want to pursue music as a career. But they can still sing.
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