HostelAlfalfaWilcoxKeto’s Abortion Thoughts Thread

[birthhawk]

I hope we can agree that the very heightened emotions of the last 24 hours need time for reason to re-assert itself.

Love this mentality.

"Let's just all calm down, so that we have time to figure out how to **** you people over again."

 

[gohawks50]

@Wendy79
@3boysmom
@goldmom
@hawkbirch

When the SC reversed its Roe decision, did this, essentially, widen the gap between a woman’s agency over her body and a man’s agency over his, symbolically demote your standing in the American citizenry?

You didn't tag me, but I am a woman as well. The answer to your question is yes.

Personally, I feel it's a way for the government to punish women for having sex out of wedlock. I doubt many will admit it, but I think many conservatives feel that if a woman has an unwanted pregnancy she deserves to suffer.

 

[sultanofsuede]

They would be wrong too. What I stated are facts, abortion will be legal most places and some with few restrictions. What you’re saying is fear based on emotion.

I don’t understand why ‘most’ feels like a good thing to you. You’d said to twice, like it’s awesome for our country.

 

[Wendy79]

You didn't tag me, but I am a woman as well. The answer to your question is yes.

Personally, I feel it's a way for the government to punish women for having sex out of wedlock. I doubt many will admit it, but I think many conservatives feel that if a woman has an unwanted pregnancy she deserves to suffer.

A not insignificant number of people who have abortions already have kids, and many are married or in a LTR. They just can't afford another kid.

 

[HawkNester]

I've mentioned my friend. The one whose baby had a genetic disorder incompatible with life. By about 21 weeks, the fetus had no brain beyond the brain stem. Minimal lung and kidney development. Other deformities. Amniotic fluid was super low, and even if the fetus was "normal" there's a good chance it wouldn't have lasted until 24-25 weeks. The low amniotic fluid resulted in the fetus having a broken femur. She was very loved and very wanted.

The absolute "best" case scenario, if abortion wasn't an option (like some on here and elsewhere hope), is she would have been born 24-25 weeks, had absolutely zero awareness, been on a permanent ventilator and permanent dialysis. No vision. No hearing. No conscious thought. Maybe the most basic of reflexes. Plus the whole broken femur thing.

My friend's life wasn't in immediate danger, so the "mother's life is at risk" clause wouldn't have applied at that time. The amniotic fluid would have kept leaking. Fetal demise would have happened. At that point the tissue would become necrotic, and only then would my friend have been able to get care (hopefully) in some places, due to the risk of sepsis. Only that care would have probably been a hysterectomy to limit the spread of infection.

Instead, she was able to be induced at around 21 weeks. This was risky (about a 5-10% risk of death versus an actual abortion, which when done safely has very minimal risk). She and her husband were able to meet her and hug her until she passed shortly after.

And to think people want to further traumatize this individual with more consequences. It’s enraging.

 

[ConvenientParking]

30 weeks is way to long for me. We’ll have to figure out the rare cases along the way. I’d rather have that then unnecessary abortions at 20, 25, 30 weeks.

For you? How about this? Mind your own goddamn business

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[HostelAlfalfaWilcoxKeto]

"My" abortion thread.

lolz

 

[Aardvark86]

Recording (some of) my extended thoughts, first, a few links that are pretty informative and pretty non-political:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/

https://qz.com/1910532/the-reasons-why-us-abortion-rates-are-falling/amp/

I have always maintained that I want abortion to be legal because:

1. Safety. We know laws don’t tend to affect demand for a thing that history demonstrates simply doesn’t go away, and abortion is no different. We’ll now have more issues with unsafe, dangerous, shady “providers”.
2. The abortion rate has dropped steadily since 1973. As access to women’s reproductive care increases, abortion rate decreases. As access to contraception increases, abortion rate decreases. Providers like the vilified Planned Parenthood have helped with the lowering of the abortion rate. Now, watch as “pro-life” “Christian” and most definitely private women’s care providers pop up and most assuredly have public money funneled their way. There’s always a money grab in this. Always. And guess what, while the services provided might mirror those of planned parenthood (minus abortion procedures and medications), they will not erase demand, meaning as well-intentioned as they may be, a woman who wants an abortion just became a woman more likely to seek an option less safe.
3. Again, the rate has declined, and before we change laws, understanding why should be paramount in the discussion. To my mind, this is the point of separation of church and state—to ensure the guaranteed “space” for flat, unemotional pragmatism unroofed to whatever extent possible in wide-varyingly-interpretable faith-based stuff. Studies show that abortion rate lowering coincides with democratic leadership. Okay, why? Well, it seems that access to basic healthcare increases as does access to contraception—thus lowering the demand. There are many factors, of course, but access to preventative care in any area of health—dietary care for example reducing blood-pressure and cardiovascular-related issues.
4. It is alarming, simply terrifying, how many women in our society are raped. And we know most rapes go unreported for myriad reasons. I have some very personal insights into this that I’m going to refrain from expanding on here, but I think they’re informative and consistent with studies on the issue.
5. I’ll pass along what happened just two days ago, though. While I was at work, my partner took our 9 month-old girl for a walk to a park five blocks from our home. A pickup truck occupied by two men passed by them and catcalled my partner. That, alone, can be terrifying for a woman. But that wasn’t the end of it. The men circled the block to pass by again, this time very slowly, again catcalling, asked her name, asking if she’d like “another baby”. Thankfully that was the end of it. But what if it wasn’t? What if they raped her? What if the rape resulted in pregnancy, in part because she couldn’t access immediate care including an abortion pill option?
6. Relating to above… one of the central arguments for legal and safe abortion is to allow a woman to have agency over her body. Men have full agency. There really is no decision a man is unable to make about his body. That’s a privilege women would like to have as well. I realize privilege is a loaded word for a lot of people, but think of the definition in the most benign, flat terms. Affording a group of people LESS privilege than another group effectively lowers their perceived (and real) power in society. Women just became even more—arguably—second-class citizens. And the moment that become clear—consciously or subconsciously, they tend to become even more targeted for sexual violence. Roe afforded women greater agency over their body, closing the gap between a man’s agency over his body and a woman’s over hers. This is something. I think men, speaking general which is always risky for the expectant triggered reaction, could try harder to understand.

A breath of fresh calm air. Well stated position.

 

[GroupThink]

Meh. Woman is expendable in those scenarios. Because, you know, pro life.

Im sorry Wendy. Truly. I can only imagine the pain and fear and anger and whatever other emotions.

My main feeling is the widened gap between a woman’s agency over her body and a man’s agency over his. The wider that gap, the closer we become to basically codifying women as a lower-class citizen.

You’re very woke

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[Hawknado]

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That’s like saying 25 teams have won the World Series without scoring runs in the 9th inning.

We don’t decide who wins a baseball game by who scores more in the 9th. We don’t say who wins by total runs across a series.

The electoral college is how this country decides the President.

 

[State of Illinois]

That’s like saying 25 teams have won the World Series without scoring runs in the 9th inning.

We don’t decide who wins a baseball game by who scores more in the 9th. We don’t say who wins by total runs across a series.

The electoral college is how this country decides the President.

Lol. Baseball team A scores 6 runs, team B scores 4 runs. But team B wins because of a strange rule that weights scoring differently in some innings over others.

 

[3boysmom]

@Wendy79
@3boysmom
@goldmom
@hawkbirch

When the SC reversed its Roe decision, did this, essentially, widen the gap between a woman’s agency over her body and a man’s agency over his, symbolically demote your standing in the American citizenry?

Of course it did. Even though I’m past child bearing age it amplifies the view that as a woman I can’t be trusted to make important decisions about my body or my life.

 

[TC Nole OX]

That’s like saying 25 teams have won the World Series without scoring runs in the 9th inning.

We don’t decide who wins a baseball game by who scores more in the 9th. We don’t say who wins by total runs across a series.

The electoral college is how this country decides the President.

The electoral college should be renamed "The Slavery College." That Mississippi only recently did away with their version of an electoral college and that the Texas GQP wants to enact a version in Texas for statewide elections should tell you the true purpose of such an institution.

Honest Austin

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www.honestaustin.com

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

Lol. Baseball team A scores 6 runs, team B scores 4 runs. But team B wins because of a strange rule that weights scoring differently in some innings over others.

Tyranny of the majority is bad. But tyranny of the minority is good.. or something.

 

[BioHawk]

And this is when reasonable conversations end, extreme stupid stuff.

What fear? Abortion will be legal in most states. Several states will have few or no restrictions.

Women second class citizens? Sorry but just dumb.

How do you keep ignoring the multiple Republicans saying they are going to go for a national ban on abortion? You keep trying to say people are "overreacting" yet the overreacting people have been right about everything since 2016. What is dumb is you expecting to have any credibility and saying people are overreacting when the thing you say they are overreacting about is happening right before our eyes.

 

[BioHawk]

The electoral college should be renamed "The Slavery College." That Mississippi only recently did away with their version of an electoral college and that the Texas GQP wants to enact a version in Texas for statewide elections should tell you the true purpose of such an institution.

Honest Austin

Honest Austin was a news website that operated from 2019-2022, covering local and state news in the capital of Texas. The site has been taken down for maintenance/archiving.

www.honestaustin.com

The fact that the Texas GOP wants to create an electoral college so they can maintain their minority rule for decades into the future is a glaring admission to how f****d up the Presidential electoral college is and how undemocratic it is.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

You didn't tag me, but I am a woman as well. The answer to your question is yes.

Personally, I feel it's a way for the government to punish women for having sex out of wedlock. I doubt many will admit it, but I think many conservatives feel that if a woman has an unwanted pregnancy she deserves to suffer.

I think you’re on to something. Looking at Twitter and other social media posts, it seems many of the most vociferous abortion rights opponents are men. Anecdotal, sure, but many of them are fired up.
I bet if you could see their posting history there would be all kinds of comments about how welfare moms have too many kids and how some people ought to be sterilized, etc etc

 

[TC Nole OX]

I think you’re on to something. Looking at Twitter and other social media posts, it seems many of the most vociferous abortion rights opponents are men. Anecdotal, sure, but many of them are fired up.
I bet if you could see their posting history there would be all kinds of comments about how welfare moms have too many kids and how some people ought to be sterilized, etc etc

Probably men who don't get any pu$$y

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Probably men who don't get any pu$$y

Let’s not bring the Proud Boys into this.

 

[pjhawk]

30 weeks is way to long for me. We’ll have to figure out the rare cases along the way. I’d rather have that then unnecessary abortions at 20, 25, 30 weeks.

 

[gohawks50]

I think you’re on to something. Looking at Twitter and other social media posts, it seems many of the most vociferous abortion rights opponents are men. Anecdotal, sure, but many of them are fired up.
I bet if you could see their posting history there would be all kinds of comments about how welfare moms have too many kids and how some people ought to be sterilized, etc etc

There have been a few posts on HROT that make me believe some of our "friends" feel the same way.

I won't name anyone, but these comments make me wonder:

"It's almost as if you are ignoring the woman's responsibility for getting pregnant to start with."

"An abortion ban does not tell a woman what she can do with her reproductive organs. It only tells her what she can do with the result of using them."

 

[pjhawk]

30 weeks is way to long for me. We’ll have to figure out the rare cases along the way. I’d rather have that then unnecessary abortions at 20, 25, 30 weeks.

 

[3boysmom]

This is another very rare occurrence and I don’t have an answer for this but definitely agree something needs to allow for the abortion in these type of cases. But that doesn’t mean all abortions for anyone beyond the 12 weeks.

Reasonable solutions, not all or nothing.

Why should a couple have to get permission from some disinterested third party on something so painful and personal? The idea that my husband and I wouldn’t have control over this decision is so gross and wrong that I just don’t have words for it.

 

[Aardvark86]

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I think Larry’s just bent out of shape by being cited repeatedly in the majority opinion.

 

[Hawknado]

Lol. Baseball team A scores 6 runs, team B scores 4 runs. But team B wins because of a strange rule that weights scoring differently in some innings over others.

If team A scored 6 and Team B scored 2 in game 1, then lose the next three games by a 1-0 score, team B wins even though team A scored a total of 6 to B’s 5

 

[Hawknado]

The electoral college should be renamed "The Slavery College." That Mississippi only recently did away with their version of an electoral college and that the Texas GQP wants to enact a version in Texas for statewide elections should tell you the true purpose of such an institution.

Honest Austin

Honest Austin was a news website that operated from 2019-2022, covering local and state news in the capital of Texas. The site has been taken down for maintenance/archiving.

www.honestaustin.com

I tell you what TC, start a nationwide party or movement to change from electoral college to popular vote and then it will matter.

Otherwise follow the rule book and play by the rules in it.

 

[TC Nole OX]

I tell you what TC, start a nationwide party or movement to change from electoral college to popular vote and then it will matter.

Otherwise follow the rule book and play by the rules in it.

Yes massa

 

[Hawknado]

Yes massa

If it’s such an injustice why aren’t you doing more?

 

[HostelAlfalfaWilcoxKeto]

If it’s such an injustice why aren’t you doing more?

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[Tom Paris]

And this is when reasonable conversations end, extreme stupid stuff.

What fear? Abortion will be legal in most states. Several states will have few or no restrictions.

Women second class citizens? Sorry but just dumb.

Why? They don’t have bodily autonomy. You do. It’s bullcrap.

 

[Tom Paris]

So you guys are claiming that men have the right to end human fetus life and women don't?

Let the adults talk you freaking moron.

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[Tom Paris]

Links provided in OP. I tried.

I’ve provided links like that on here for almost 2 decades…but they refuse to learn.

 

[BrunoMars420]

Probably men who don't get any pu$$y

I’m not one of those Twitter handles but just wanted to say I get tons of pu$$y from my loving wife