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How a 13-0 Iowa team misses the Playoff

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After Tuesday, all of us are now acutely aware of the national bias against this team. However, the narrative people are perpetrating in the national media (including Kirk Herbstreit) and on this board is if Iowa goes undefeated, they are guaranteed a playoff spot. Well boys and girls, I’m here to tell you that just isn’t true. I can paint several scenarios after seeing that debacle of an initial playoff rating that could leave Iowa fans in the cold, even after a 13-0 perfect season. Buckle your seatbelts.


Scenario #1: Big Ten Armageddon

1. Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, and Northwestern all continue to lose.

  • Pittsburgh’s remaining schedule is difficult (Notre Dame, @Duke, Louisville, Miami). They realistically could lose two or three of those games and end up with a 8-4 or 7-5 record
  • Wisconsin’s remaining schedule is @Maryland, Northwestern, and @Minnesota. It’s more manageable than Pitt’s but they could conceivably lose 1-2 games ending at 9-3 or 8-4. With either of those records, there is a strong chance they don’t end up in the top 25.
  • Northwestern’s remaining schedule is Penn St, Purdue, @Wisconsin, and Illinois. I could see them losing 2 of those games. If they finish 9-3, they will finish in the top 25. If it’s 8-4? They won’t.
2. The second condition is for Iowa to play a one or two loss team in the Big Ten Championship game. How does this happen? Michigan is the Big Ten East champion.

  • One scenario has MSU finishing 2-2 with a loss to tOSU and either Nebraska or Penn State. (Think Nebraska can’t beat MSU? Vegas does. MSU is a 5 ½ point favorite over Nebraska. As a point of comparison, Vegas has Alabama a 6 ½ favorite over #2 ranked LSU. Anyone think LSU can’t beat Alabama? Didn’t think so.) In addition, Michigan beats tOSU the last game of the season and represents the Big Ten East. There are a lot of other ways that Iowa faces a weakened Big Ten East foe besides this one.

Looking at Iowa’s resume, they would have a win over a three loss Michigan team (ranked between 10-15) and a three loss Big Ten team (Northwestern or Wisconsin) ranked 20-25. The committee would definitely rank Clemson, the SEC champ, an undefeated or one loss Big 12 champ, and either a one loss Pac 12 or one loss Notre Dame team over Iowa. Hell they might even rank Memphis over us if they win out. Under that scenario, Memphis would have 3-4 Top 25 wins and we would only have 2, neither of which would be impressive.


Scenario #2: The Utah/Notre Dame Blitzkrieg

If Notre Dame wins out, they would have wins over five bowl eligible teams, three to four of which will be ranked (USC, Stanford, Pittsburgh, Navy) and their only loss to #1 Clemson. In addition, if Utah wins out, it will have wins against potentially seven bowl eligible teams. Throw in the SEC champ, Clemson, and an undefeated Big 12 champ, and Iowa might finish as low as 6th in the final rankings. Of course this depends on who their Big 10 champion win is against. If tOSU or MSU is undefeated, it lowers the likelihood of this scenario. However, if the Big Ten east team already has at least 1 loss, watch out.

Scenario #3: SEC Bias on Steroids

What happens if Mississippi State wins out and faces Florida in the SEC championship game? Further, what happens if Florida wins? Now you have a one loss Florida SEC champ and a one loss Alabama who is already ranked 4th in CFP ranking. Does the committee take both teams? I would have said no before Tuesday. Now I’m not so sure. I’m not sure if the committee has an SEC bias (look where Florida is ranked). But they absolutely have an Alabama bias. If two SEC teams get in and you have Clemson, an undefeated Big 12 team, and a one loss Notre Dame team, Iowa again could again be looking at a final ranking of 5th or 6th. It also depends on what kind of Big Ten East team Iowa faces and how the big three wins (NW, Wisc, Pitt) play over the course of the season. The weaker our wins, the more likely we get passed over.


What’s an Iowa fan to do?

Well, technically there is nothing we can do as fans. The better question is who do we root for, besides Iowa of course? Well there are two huge games this week that could have all of us breathe a lot easier. The first is Pitt/Notre Dame. I cannot stress enough how huge this win would be for Iowa. First, it would knock out Notre Dame for good. Second, it would solidify Pitt into the Top 25. This one event alone might move us up 2-3 spots in the rating. If there is one upset to root for this week, this is the one.

The second game is LSU/Alabama. We need Alabama to go away in the worst way. We have two shots. LSU is the first one. The second is next week when Alabama visits Mississippi State.

In addition, there are four Big Ten teams we need to root for every week: Northwestern, Wisconsin, Michigan State & Ohio State. The first two to bolster our existing wins and the latter two to insure we play an undefeated BT East winner in the Big Ten Championship game.

The other rooting interests we need to have is for the Big 12 to cannibalize each other, Utah & Stanford to lose, and Memphis to go down.


Conclusion

In closing, does a lot have to happen for us to get left out? Yeah, probably. Are these longshot scenarios? No. But it is not as farfetched as people want you to believe. Of course, all of this is a moot point if we lose to Indiana on Saturday. Go Hawks!
 
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I still think it's impossible, fwiw.
 
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I still think it is impossible that a 13-0 Iowa team is left out of the playoffs.

I also think the odds of Iowa going 13-0 are not likely (.8 x .9 x. .8 x .6 x .4 = 14% or so)

But I can dream, and if Iowa does go 13-0, and doesn't make the playoffs: an undefeated season, a West Division Crown, a Big Ten Championship, and a Rose Bowl bid are some nice parting gifts.
 
One of their major criteria, so they say, is conference championships. Could they ever say that again with a straight face if they include an Alabama team that didn't even play for their conference championship, and ignore an undefeated conference champion?

I don't have much hope that we will make the playoffs, but I am going to enjoy the carnage that happens the next 5 weeks, and maybe things work out. Either way, I am not going to let it ruin my enjoyment of this season.
 
If a team from a conference (OSU) wins the NC and then the following year a team from that same conference goes undefeated that team HAS to make the playoff. No doubt in my mind that logic would apply to the SEC, even if that team is Vandy some year, so why wouldn't it apply to B1G?

B1G has the current champ. Unless a contender from another conference has already defeated the B1G champ this year then, if all else is basically equal, the B1G should get to defend the title
 
The Big Ten imploding is the only avenue for Iowa's non-inclusion that I can see (assuming Iowa takes care of its business of course). I just don't see anyway that a 13-0 Iowa team that includes a win over a top 5 OSU or MSU gets left out. I see an undefeated Big 12 team getting left out before that happens.
 
After Tuesday, all of us are now acutely aware of the national bias against this team. However, the narrative people are perpetrating in the national media (including Kirk Herbstreit) and on this board is if Iowa goes undefeated, they are guaranteed a playoff spot. Well boys and girls, I’m here to tell you that just isn’t true. I can paint several scenarios after seeing that debacle of an initial playoff rating that could leave Iowa fans in the cold, even after a 13-0 perfect season. Buckle your seatbelts.


Scenario #1: Big Ten Armageddon

1. Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, and Northwestern all continue to lose.

  • Pittsburgh’s remaining schedule is difficult (Notre Dame, @Duke, Louisville, Miami). They realistically could lose two or three of those games and end up with a 8-4 or 7-5 record
  • Wisconsin’s remaining schedule is @Maryland, Northwestern, and @Minnesota. It’s more manageable than Pitt’s but they could conceivably lose 1-2 games ending at 9-3 or 8-4. With either of those records, there is a strong chance they don’t end up in the top 25.
  • Northwestern’s remaining schedule is Penn St, Purdue, @Wisconsin, and Illinois. I could see them losing 2 of those games. If they finish 9-3, they will finish in the top 25. If it’s 8-4? They won’t.
2. The second condition is for Iowa to play a one or two loss team in the Big Ten Championship game. How does this happen? Michigan is the Big Ten East champion.

  • One scenario has MSU finishing 2-2 with a loss to tOSU and either Nebraska or Penn State. (Think Nebraska can’t beat MSU? Vegas does. MSU is a 5 ½ point favorite over Nebraska. As a point of comparison, Vegas has Alabama a 6 ½ favorite over #2 ranked LSU. Anyone think LSU can’t beat Alabama? Didn’t think so.) In addition, Michigan beats tOSU the last game of the season and represents the Big Ten East. There are a lot of other ways that Iowa faces a weakened Big Ten East foe besides this one.

Looking at Iowa’s resume, they would have a win over a three loss Michigan team (ranked between 10-15) and a three loss Big Ten team (Northwestern or Wisconsin) ranked 20-25. The committee would definitely rank Clemson, the SEC champ, an undefeated or one loss Big 12 champ, and either a one loss Pac 12 or one loss Notre Dame team over Iowa. Hell they might even rank Memphis over us if they win out. Under that scenario, Memphis would have 3-4 Top 25 wins and we would only have 2, neither of which would be impressive.


Scenario #2: The Utah/Notre Dame Blitzkrieg

If Notre Dame wins out, they would have wins over five bowl eligible teams, three to four of which will be ranked (USC, Stanford, Pittsburgh, Navy) and their only loss to #1 Clemson. In addition, if Utah wins out, it will have wins against potentially seven bowl eligible teams. Throw in the SEC champ, Clemson, and an undefeated Big 12 champ, and Iowa might finish as low as 6th in the final rankings. Of course this depends on who their Big 10 champion win is against. If tOSU or MSU is undefeated, it lowers the likelihood of this scenario. However, if the Big Ten east team already has at least 1 loss, watch out.

Scenario #3: SEC Bias on Steroids

What happens if Mississippi State wins out and faces Florida in the SEC championship game? Further, what happens if Florida wins? Now you have a one loss Florida SEC champ and a one loss Alabama who is already ranked 4th in CFP ranking. Does the committee take both teams? I would have said no before Tuesday. Now I’m not so sure. I’m not sure if the committee has an SEC bias (look where Florida is ranked). But they absolutely have an Alabama bias. If two SEC teams get in and you have Clemson, an undefeated Big 12 team, and a one loss Notre Dame team, Iowa again could again be looking at a final ranking of 5th or 6th. It also depends on what kind of Big Ten East team Iowa faces and how the big three wins (NW, Wisc, Pitt) play over the course of the season. The weaker our wins, the more likely we get passed over.


What’s an Iowa fan to do?

Well, technically there is nothing we can do as fans. The better question is who do we root for, besides Iowa of course? Well there are two huge games this week that could have all of us breathe a lot easier. The first is Pitt/Notre Dame. I cannot stress enough how huge this win would be for Iowa. First, it would knock out Notre Dame for good. Second, it would solidify Pitt into the Top 25. This one event alone might move us up 2-3 spots in the rating. If there is one upset to root for this week, this is the one.

The second game is LSU/Alabama. We need Alabama to go away in the worst way. We have two shots. LSU is the first one. The second is next week when Alabama visits Mississippi State.

In addition, there are four Big Ten teams we need to root for every week: Northwestern, Wisconsin, Michigan State & Ohio State. The first two to bolster our existing wins and the latter two to insure we play an undefeated BT East winner in the Big Ten Championship game.

The other rooting interests we need to have is for the Big 12 to cannibalize each other, Utah & Stanford to lose, and Memphis to go down.


Conclusion

In closing, does a lot have to happen for us to get left out? Yeah, probably. Are these longshot scenarios? No. But it is not as farfetched as people want you to believe. Of course, all of this is a moot point if we lose to Indiana on Saturday. Go Hawks!

Nailed it.
 
Our best case:

1) Keep winning
2) OSU win out
3) Beat OSU

In the playoff no doubt

All the teams in front of us now are going to start knocking each other out.
 
This. 13-0 in the B1G means you are in - I have 0 doubt about that.
Denial is not just a river Egypt. Those scenarios are real. And if they happen, we will be left out. For anyone that blindly says an undefeated Iowa team making it to the CFP, they are setting themselves up for disappointment.

Don't get me wrong. I am rooting with all my heart for Iowa to make it. But there are some real scenarios where we get screwed.
 
It is possible, unlikely but possible. Lots have to work against the Hawks and go in favor of other teams. With 4 games left, I think we're all just counting our chickens before they hatch.
 
I don't see any way a 13-0 team that just beat the No.1 AP team and reigning champion will get left out. They might the 4 seed, but they are in.
 
I don't see any way a 13-0 team that just beat the No.1 AP team and reigning champion will get left out. They might the 4 seed, but they are in.
If they beat an undefeated tOSU team, you're right. What if OSU doesn't get to the Big Ten championship game and Iowa gets stuck playing a two loss Michigan?
 
Yup agree that if were 13-0 we are not going to be left out. A lot of these teams that are in the playoff top 6 have some games left to play against some good teams. They willl lose and there is no way they leave an undefeated BCS school out.

If they do, you will hear a serious backlash from the Big Ten and probably will re-format the whole thing again. Its stupid to even think this. 13-0 hawks are in the playoff.
 
I don't like this first poll, but as we saw last year and will see this year, there is no standard the committee is going by. They are kinda just throwing stuff out there to justify their selection. Next week will be totally different.

I don't understand it, but scoring points, shutting out opponents and swag seem to grab the committee's attention.
 
The problem with your premise is you think it is about who the best football teams are, and not about billions and billions of $$$. The Big Ten has the most billions.
 
I don't like this first poll, but as we saw last year and will see this year, there is no standard the committee is going by. They are kinda just throwing stuff out there to justify their selection. Next week will be totally different.

I don't understand it, but scoring points, shutting out opponents and swag seem to grab the committee's attention.

I think part of it is that the committee is made up of human beings who all have subconscious biases that they don't want to admit having. Also, they don't want to deviate too much from the general perception of the "public" and talking heads. They'll make some points for emphasis (Iowa ranked higher than Stanford), but will also fall prey to their own expectations of future results (see Alabama and ND ranked above some of the undefeated P5 teams).

Once all the games have been played, they'll be able to make a final selection that will adhere to their stated preference toward conference champions. Those that win the P5 leagues will have a leg up over anyone else. There's no way we'll have more than 4 undefeated P5 champs, and even 4 is unlikely. If we do have 4 undefeated P5 champs, then that is your playoff lineup. There's no way a 1-loss team sniffs the playoff in that situation, regardless of any sort of insecure feelings we all have about the committee and SEC/ESPN bias. Any undefeated P5 champ is going to make the playoff this year. You can bank on that.
 
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I think part of it is that the committee is made up of human beings who all have subconscious biases that they don't want to admit having. Also, they don't want to deviate too much from the general perception of the "public" and talking heads. They'll make some points for emphasis (Iowa ranked higher than Stanford), but will also fall prey to their own expectations of future results (see Alabama and ND ranked above some of the undefeated P5 teams).

Once all the games have been played, they'll be able to make a final selection that will adhere to their stated preference toward conference champions. Those that win the P5 leagues will have a leg up over anyone else. There's no way we'll have more than 4 undefeated P5 champs, and even 4 is unlikely. If we do have 4 undefeated P5 champs, then that is your playoff lineup. There's no way a 1-loss team sniffs the playoff in that situation, regardless of any sort of insecure feelings we all have about the committee and SEC/ESPN bias. Any undefeated P5 champ is going to make the playoff this year. You can bank on that.

You have to wonder though, that the college football landscape is/has changed. We could see a norm of a few undefeated's and many 1-loss teams. The Big10 is likely to have 3 teams with no more than 1 loss, same with the Big12, SEC will have a couple if not more. Add in the MWC, ACC, PAC, the MAC on odd years.

I think a 8 team playoff will be necessary. And, I think if this year plays out like it has we will see an 8 team sooner, rather than later.
 
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You have to wonder though, that the college football landscape is/has changed. We could see a norm of a few undefeated's and many 1-loss teams. The Big10 is likely to have 3 teams with no more than 1 loss, same with the Big12, SEC will have a couple if not more. Add in the MWC, ACC, PAC, the MAC on odd years.

I think a 8 team playoff will be necessary. And, I think if this year plays out like it has we will see an 8 team sooner, rather than later.

I see what you're saying. There's a lot of football left, but it does look likely that we'll have a glut of 1 or 0 loss teams this year. I think an expansion to 8 (or maybe even 6) teams could be beneficial. My only hesitation is that this makes it less likely that we'll get to return to the Rose Bowl after such a long drought (assuming we don't make it there this year).
 
There are enough scenarios until the cows come home. "Just win, baby", and everything will take care of itself. Let's focus on Indiana, one game at a time.
 
You lost me here...

Think Nebraska can’t beat MSU? Vegas does. MSU is a 5 ½ point favorite over Nebraska.

That is a betting line. I couldn't possibly care less what the Vegas line is. Vegas doesn't set foot on the field.

I absolutely think Ne can't beat MSU.

We'll know soon. :)
 
I can probably think of some scenarios where Iowa goes to the playoff with 2 losses. Lots of football left to play and a million possible scenarios. Not impossible but If we're 13-0, I give us a 99% chance of making the playoff. If someone said right now I'll give you $1000 if Iowa goes 13-0 and makes the playoff or $100,000 if Iowa goes 13-0 and doesn't make the playoffs, i'd probably choose the $1000 option.
 
After Tuesday, all of us are now acutely aware of the national bias against this team. However, the narrative people are perpetrating in the national media (including Kirk Herbstreit) and on this board is if Iowa goes undefeated, they are guaranteed a playoff spot. Well boys and girls, I’m here to tell you that just isn’t true. I can paint several scenarios after seeing that debacle of an initial playoff rating that could leave Iowa fans in the cold, even after a 13-0 perfect season. Buckle your seatbelts.


Scenario #1: Big Ten Armageddon

1. Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, and Northwestern all continue to lose.

  • Pittsburgh’s remaining schedule is difficult (Notre Dame, @Duke, Louisville, Miami). They realistically could lose two or three of those games and end up with a 8-4 or 7-5 record
  • Wisconsin’s remaining schedule is @Maryland, Northwestern, and @Minnesota. It’s more manageable than Pitt’s but they could conceivably lose 1-2 games ending at 9-3 or 8-4. With either of those records, there is a strong chance they don’t end up in the top 25.
  • Northwestern’s remaining schedule is Penn St, Purdue, @Wisconsin, and Illinois. I could see them losing 2 of those games. If they finish 9-3, they will finish in the top 25. If it’s 8-4? They won’t.
2. The second condition is for Iowa to play a one or two loss team in the Big Ten Championship game. How does this happen? Michigan is the Big Ten East champion.

  • One scenario has MSU finishing 2-2 with a loss to tOSU and either Nebraska or Penn State. (Think Nebraska can’t beat MSU? Vegas does. MSU is a 5 ½ point favorite over Nebraska. As a point of comparison, Vegas has Alabama a 6 ½ favorite over #2 ranked LSU. Anyone think LSU can’t beat Alabama? Didn’t think so.) In addition, Michigan beats tOSU the last game of the season and represents the Big Ten East. There are a lot of other ways that Iowa faces a weakened Big Ten East foe besides this one.

Looking at Iowa’s resume, they would have a win over a three loss Michigan team (ranked between 10-15) and a three loss Big Ten team (Northwestern or Wisconsin) ranked 20-25. The committee would definitely rank Clemson, the SEC champ, an undefeated or one loss Big 12 champ, and either a one loss Pac 12 or one loss Notre Dame team over Iowa. Hell they might even rank Memphis over us if they win out. Under that scenario, Memphis would have 3-4 Top 25 wins and we would only have 2, neither of which would be impressive.


Scenario #2: The Utah/Notre Dame Blitzkrieg

If Notre Dame wins out, they would have wins over five bowl eligible teams, three to four of which will be ranked (USC, Stanford, Pittsburgh, Navy) and their only loss to #1 Clemson. In addition, if Utah wins out, it will have wins against potentially seven bowl eligible teams. Throw in the SEC champ, Clemson, and an undefeated Big 12 champ, and Iowa might finish as low as 6th in the final rankings. Of course this depends on who their Big 10 champion win is against. If tOSU or MSU is undefeated, it lowers the likelihood of this scenario. However, if the Big Ten east team already has at least 1 loss, watch out.

Scenario #3: SEC Bias on Steroids

What happens if Mississippi State wins out and faces Florida in the SEC championship game? Further, what happens if Florida wins? Now you have a one loss Florida SEC champ and a one loss Alabama who is already ranked 4th in CFP ranking. Does the committee take both teams? I would have said no before Tuesday. Now I’m not so sure. I’m not sure if the committee has an SEC bias (look where Florida is ranked). But they absolutely have an Alabama bias. If two SEC teams get in and you have Clemson, an undefeated Big 12 team, and a one loss Notre Dame team, Iowa again could again be looking at a final ranking of 5th or 6th. It also depends on what kind of Big Ten East team Iowa faces and how the big three wins (NW, Wisc, Pitt) play over the course of the season. The weaker our wins, the more likely we get passed over.


What’s an Iowa fan to do?

Well, technically there is nothing we can do as fans. The better question is who do we root for, besides Iowa of course? Well there are two huge games this week that could have all of us breathe a lot easier. The first is Pitt/Notre Dame. I cannot stress enough how huge this win would be for Iowa. First, it would knock out Notre Dame for good. Second, it would solidify Pitt into the Top 25. This one event alone might move us up 2-3 spots in the rating. If there is one upset to root for this week, this is the one.

The second game is LSU/Alabama. We need Alabama to go away in the worst way. We have two shots. LSU is the first one. The second is next week when Alabama visits Mississippi State.

In addition, there are four Big Ten teams we need to root for every week: Northwestern, Wisconsin, Michigan State & Ohio State. The first two to bolster our existing wins and the latter two to insure we play an undefeated BT East winner in the Big Ten Championship game.

The other rooting interests we need to have is for the Big 12 to cannibalize each other, Utah & Stanford to lose, and Memphis to go down.


Conclusion

In closing, does a lot have to happen for us to get left out? Yeah, probably. Are these longshot scenarios? No. But it is not as farfetched as people want you to believe. Of course, all of this is a moot point if we lose to Indiana on Saturday. Go Hawks!
I think you are wrong. Any power 5 conference team that goes 13-0 will be in the playoffs.
 
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