How Many Gods?

[BrianNole777]

well we will have to disagree.
I can see your strong in your convictions. It's all good.
It's what makes the world interesting.
And there are other instances in the scriptures of Jesus having a beginning.
Revelation 3:14 in the KJV is one such example.
Even in the KJV Colossians 1:15 is clearly talking about Jesus...It says who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
So there is two scriptures not from the NWT that say the same thing.
Also regarding trying to use the context of Colossians 1 doesn't fit either. Colossians 1:3 says in the KJV:" We give thanks to God and the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you."

What about the 20+ Bible passages that mention Hell?

 

[ClarindaA's]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Jews and Muslims insist there is just one God. Christians, too, most of the time - other than that whole Trinity thing. I seem to recall that Christians used to kill each other for insisting that the Trinity is One vs Three.

The Greeks and Romans had a bunch of gods and goddesses. Ditto the Vikings. Hindus have a even more. And we haven't even touched upon the religions of Africa, North and South America, Australia. Nor the Baha'i, Buddhists, and others.

If you are a Christian, Muslim or Jew, you presumably believe that it wasn't always the case that there was only one god. Since why else would God have to insist that people have no other gods before him?

Note he didn't say there are no other gods. He didn't even say you can't have other gods. You just can't have any before him.

Which raises the question: what happened to those other gods? Are they still around? Did the True God kill them?

I think he demands to be identified as the one true God. I listened to a book about this, that perhaps God, and all other Gods are ash ancient race of Aliens, so advanced that they could manipulate DNA, climate, etc.

 

[ClarindaA's]

I question the trinity as well, despite being Lutheran. Historically, it wasn’t around until the 4th century

 

[alaskanseminole]

well we will have to disagree.
I can see your strong in your convictions. It's all good.
It's what makes the world interesting.
And there are other instances in the scriptures of Jesus having a beginning.
Revelation 3:14 in the KJV is one such example.
Even in the KJV Colossians 1:15 is clearly talking about Jesus...It says who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
So there is two scriptures not from the NWT that say the same thing.
Also regarding trying to use the context of Colossians 1 doesn't fit either. Colossians 1:3 says in the KJV:" We give thanks to God and the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you."

Revelation 3:14 reads: "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God."

The true context of this verse revolves around the original Greek text interpretation of "the beginning of the creation of God." The JWs think this cherry-picked verse implies Jesus was the first created being of God (and to be honest, I can’t fathom why anyone would want to essentially nullify His therefore work on the cross).

However, "the beginning of the creation of God" doesn't mean that Jesus was created; rather, it denotes that Jesus is the originator or source of creation. This interpretation aligns with the belief in the pre-existence of Christ and his role in the creation of the universe, as articulated in passages like John 1:1-3 and Colossians 1:15-17.

Scroll up and read post #45 along with these verses that speak to the divinity of Jesus Christ:

John 1:1-3: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."

John 1:14: "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 10:30: "I and the Father are one."

John 20:28: "Thomas said to him, 'My Lord and my God!'"

Romans 9:5: "Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."

Philippians 2:6-7: "[Jesus], being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."

Colossians 1:15-17: "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

Colossians 2:9: "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."

Hebrews 1:3: "The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word."

2 Peter 1:1: "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours."

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Do some research .
He was helping his followers see that his Father and himself were in unity . Not saying he and his Father were the same person .

The wanted to kill him for
the I Am comment.

 

[alaskanseminole]

The wanted to kill him for
the I Am comment.

For the Trinity argument, we can just apply simple math. Just in terms of sheer quantity, scriptures that are commonly interpreted as supporting the Trinity, including passages affirming the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, as well as verses where all three persons of the Trinity are mentioned together, significantly outnumber those that are interpreted as "challenging" the Trinity doctrine.

I'd say a rough estimation would be a ratio of around 10:1 (possibly higher) in favor of scriptures supporting the Trinity compared to those that might be seen as challenging it.

The argument kinda reminds me of my ex wife. Nine friends can tell her a new dress looks great on her, but the one who said it wasn't flattering would be the deciding vote for her to return it to the store. Makes no sense. Was Charles Taze Russell married?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

This thread makes it clear that we need for Christians to go to war against each other again.

Burn all the heritics. Put whole sects to the sword.

Let's show the Muslims how it's done.

 

[Ghee Buttersnaps]

This thread makes it clear that we need for Christians to go to war against each other again.

Burn all the heritics. Put whole sects to the sword.

Let's show the Muslims how it's done.

Ha. Here's how I was envisioning this thread (and the like):

OP:

Christians see thread:

After Christians arrive:

OP:

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

For the Trinity argument, we can just apply simple math. Just in terms of sheer quantity, scriptures that are commonly interpreted as supporting the Trinity, including passages affirming the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, as well as verses where all three persons of the Trinity are mentioned together, significantly outnumber those that are interpreted as "challenging" the Trinity doctrine.

I'd say a rough estimation would be a ratio of around 10:1 (possibly higher) in favor of scriptures supporting the Trinity compared to those that might be seen as challenging it.

The argument kinda reminds me of my ex wife. Nine friends can tell her a new dress looks great on her, but the one who said it wasn't flattering would be the deciding vote for her to return it to the store. Makes no sense. Was Charles Taze Russell married?

And don't forget the psalm where he says "thou anointest my head with 3-in-1 oil...."

 

[alaskanseminole]

And don't forget the psalm where he says "thou anointest my head with 3-in-1 oil...."

Don't underestimate the usefulness of 3-in-1 oil, my friend.