How Should Israel Respond vs Iran?
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Everything above "do nothing" and then add ,"post naked whores on Hort."
Be the change that you want to see.
Your poll choice of "do nothing take the win" isn't a win for anyone except Iran. Doing nothing only encourages Iran to try again, and is a pacifist position. Bullies thrive on weakness and perceived weakness. Putin invading the Ukraine should be instructive on that, and Putin is now supporting Iran.
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I think that would be really interesting and would earn them some kudos.
Unfortunately, that probably conflicts with their long-time policy.
How is it “weak” to take your opponent’s shot and basically come away unscathed?
Let’s say Israel now escalates. What does the “win” look like? Emotional satisfaction over retribution doesn’t count as a win. What is the plan? Full on, unwinnable war with Iran?
I see Iran's drone volley as more of a retaliation and a show for their citizens. If Iran wanted to do actual damage they would have launched a lot more drones to overwhelm defenses and worked on some other munitions.
Putin gets drones from Iran.
Making the option to attack Iran's drone/missile production an even more attractive option.
Well considering Iran is now saying if Isreal retaliates it will turn the entire country into a hole probably takes "be the bigger man" off the table.
Go punch the little bitches in the mouth.
Do you think retaliation is the same as escalation? If so, we have nothing to discuss.
But they won't try again. Iran, essentially, telegraphed what they were doing and why. If Israel does nothing, it's over. If they do respond yo Iran's response, it has a big potential to expand unless the adults in the room smack them both and tell them to knock it off.
Really? You think Iran is lying when they say they have weapons nobody has seen yet, or Putin is now supplying them arms?
I'm sure if/when Israel retaliates that Iran will just think "Wow, those guys are scary and tough; we better just leave them alone from this point on".
This will totally end after the retaliation to the retaliation.
This will totally end after the retaliation to the retaliation.
Back when Obama was negotiating the Nuclear Deal with Iran, our cons were variously saying Iran was 45 days to a year from having nukes.
I never understood why that was a good argument against the Nuke Deal, but that's a different issue.
My question is whether Iran has nukes now?
It's been 6 years since Trump pulled us out of that deal. Iran didn't immediately go all in on making nukes, mainly because the EU did not ditch the deal, and Biden has been trying (and failing) to revive it. But they did step up some things, like enriching to higher levels.
Point being that if they really were only a year or so from having nukes 6 years ago, where are they now?
Israel has nukes.
A Taste of Armageddon - Wikipedia
In the episode, the crew of the Enterprise visits a planet engaged in a completely computer-simulated war with a neighboring planet, but the casualties, including the Enterprise's crew, are supposed to be real.
It's probably grandstanding for their citizens to show how potentially tough they could be if they weapon no one has ever seen before is used whether or not this rare legendary weapon is used.
Nope. But, keep in mind, Iran was responding to an Israeli attack. They did the exact same thing to us when Soleimani (sp) was killed. And to Trump's credit, he didn't push further. Why? Because Iran had said, basically "Yeah, we did that and here's why, if you respond, we will too, if you don't, it's over"
So, Israel should consider this over. They won't because Netanyahu wants a war with everyone, but they should.
That's an excellent, thought provoking way to look at it.A Taste of Armageddon - Wikipedia
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In the episode, the crew of the Enterprise visits a planet engaged in a completely computer-simulated war with a neighboring planet, but the casualties, including the Enterprise's crew, are supposed to be real.
I've stated my unpopular opinion before, and that's we will forever have war as long as war has rules. The back and forth we have now doesn't really solve much, and just continues the back and forth. Israel has tried to walk that fine line for many years, but exacting more revenge, but not so much as to gain disfavor in the world's eye. A Palestinian would bomb a market, and Israel would destroy his house, but also his neighbor's house, and so on.
I think people need to spend more time looking at history. Theory is great as the world evolves, but history is instructive and keeps repeating itself no matter how much the world evolves.
For those who think Iran is done, I suggest they revisit Iran's very public and very recent statements about eliminating the Jews in Israel. They look at the land disputes as only a symptom, with the Jews being the underlying problem. It's both religious and ethnic based, and that has existed for centuries.
As a country, the US is arrogant, and think we have all the answers for countries in a part of the world that doesn't think like us.
As I mentioned before:
The Iran attack on Israel should show you how the world works. Iran launched enough missles to appease the idiots in that country that want war. They let the US and Israel have enough time to prepare to shoot the vast majority down, limiting casualties in Israel, which will give the doves there enough power to blunt the response from the Israeli hawks. It eventually simmers back to the underlying mutual hatred of the common citizen in each country while the political leaders of each accept the detente and continue on with the status quo.
Throw in a couple of years of relative peace until the common folk in Gaza or the West Bank figure out a way to make some noise.
Rinse. Repeat.
Not saying that’s a bad thing.
The Iran attack on Israel should show you how the world works. Iran launched enough missles to appease the idiots in that country that want war. They let the US and Israel have enough time to prepare to shoot the vast majority down, limiting casualties in Israel, which will give the doves there enough power to blunt the response from the Israeli hawks. It eventually simmers back to the underlying mutual hatred of the common citizen in each country while the political leaders of each accept the detente and continue on with the status quo.
Throw in a couple of years of relative peace until the common folk in Gaza or the West Bank figure out a way to make some noise.
Rinse. Repeat.
Not saying that’s a bad thing.
It hardly seems weak to swat away Iran’s best shot like it’s nothing. Escalation, especially when you’ve got big brother standing behind you, is a bigger sign of weakness. Indifference to your opponent is the biggest sign of strength. And righteousness.
I'm no Philadelphia accountant but im.pretty sure you just said one group of people wants to eliminate another group of people based off ethnicity and religion, and that's something history has seen before.
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That's a good theory, and hopefully correct.
An alternative theory is that it was a test, and win-win for Iran. If the missile get through, that's a win. If the missiles fail, as they did, Iran gains knowledge for the next attack, without showing their complete hand.
You really think Iran took their best shot?
You really think being righteous is more important than survival?
Today's headline -
- As regional tensions flare, at least 18 people were injured Wednesday after Hezbollah hit northern Israel with drones, according to a hospital in the region.
There needs to be consequences to Iran's actions. Everytime they do something like this they need to get smacked in the mouth. Knock out their drone facilities and any known nuke facilities as well since Iran has repeatedly made it clear they'll wipe Israel off the map when they get the chance.
There's no strength in allowing Iran to fire missiles at your country without consequences, and there's no lasting public sentiment win either.
There's no strength in allowing Iran to fire missiles at your country without consequences, and there's no lasting public sentiment win either.
Because Iran has lied about many things over the years. I'm far from convinced that they have some weapon that the US/NATO/Israel isn't aware of. That's all otherwise I agree with you.
It turns into a dick comparison contest that can only end in a glass parking lot. Not what I would call a win.
I think the best course of action here is our President Biden gives Israel a very very stern "DON'T"
I know this isn't directed me and the honest answer is I have no idea. But, if I were forced to give an answer it would probably be a long the lines "As far as you can tell, nothing and if everything works the way it's supposed to it will always seem that way".
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