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I think VZ is playing with major fire here.....

Great info......Russia does not even belong to the iea.
Over the past decade, Russia's crude oil exports have experienced fluctuations due to various geopolitical and economic factors. Below is a summary of the average daily export volumes:

YearAverage Daily Exports (thousand barrels per day)
20144,700
20154,800
20164,900
20175,100
20185,200
20195,300
20205,100
20215,000
20224,800
20234,600
Note: Data for 2024 is not yet available.
 
Over the past decade, Russia's crude oil exports have experienced fluctuations due to various geopolitical and economic factors. Below is a summary of the average daily export volumes:

YearAverage Daily Exports (thousand barrels per day)
20144,700
20154,800
20164,900
20175,100
20185,200
20195,300
20205,100
20215,000
20224,800
20234,600
Note: Data for 2024 is not yet available.
WOW.....it almost as if they have decided to charge more per barrel. :rolleyes:

Again.

202072.4
2021110.2
2022180.0
2023192.0
2024239.7
Sources:

  • 2017-2021: Data compiled from Trading Economics, which reports quarterly oil export revenues.
    Trading Economics

  • 2022: Estimates based on reports indicating that Russia's oil export revenues reached approximately $180 billion.
  • 2023: According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), Russia's crude oil and oil product export revenues were $192 billion in 2023.
    Reuters

  • 2024: Reuters reported that Russia's economy ministry revised its 2024 forecast for oil and gas export revenues to $239.7 billion, reflecting a more positive price outlook.
    Reuters

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WOW.....it almost as if they have decided to charge more per barrel. :rolleyes:

Again.

202072.4
2021110.2
2022180.0
2023192.0
2024239.7
Sources:

  • 2017-2021: Data compiled from Trading Economics, which reports quarterly oil export revenues.
    Trading Economics

  • 2022: Estimates based on reports indicating that Russia's oil export revenues reached approximately $180 billion.
  • 2023: According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), Russia's crude oil and oil product export revenues were $192 billion in 2023.
    Reuters

  • 2024: Reuters reported that Russia's economy ministry revised its 2024 forecast for oil and gas export revenues to $239.7 billion, reflecting a more positive price outlook.
    Reuters

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You're wrong. Again.

YearOil and Gas Revenue (Trillion Russian Rubles)
20147.4
20155.9
20165.0
20175.9
20189.0
20198.2
20205.2
20219.1
202211.6
20238.8
Note: Data for 2024 is not yet available.

Key Observations:

  • 2014-2016 Decline: The significant drop in revenues during this period can be attributed to falling global oil prices and the impact of international sanctions imposed on Russia.
  • 2018 Peak: A notable increase in revenues occurred in 2018, corresponding with a rise in global oil prices and increased production levels.
  • 2020 Dip: The COVID-19 pandemic led to reduced global demand for oil, resulting in a sharp decline in revenues.
  • 2022 Surge: Revenues reached a record high in 2022, driven by a combination of higher oil prices and increased export volumes.
  • 2023 Decline: A decrease in revenues was observed in 2023, influenced by factors such as tighter enforcement of sanctions and a retreat in Urals crude prices towards the $60 per barrel price cap.
    S&P Global

 
I imagine the US will find itself alone before long. (Fixed it for you.) And when China starts taking stuff in the Pacific why the hell should Europe support the country that abandoned it?
Why should Europe start now....they haven't done squat to defend a country right in their region. LOL!!
 
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He’s the only person I have on ignore. Not because he disagrees with me, but reading his posts is like beating your head against a wall. You’d be well advised to not engage him.
It's because I expose your ignorance and you are at least smart enought to turn off the spigot. Hawkman34 is among the dumbest of the dumbasses on here and reiterates it constantly. As we are seeing.

Oh, it's also because you're a pussy.
 
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You're wrong. Again.

YearOil and Gas Revenue (Trillion Russian Rubles)
20147.4
20155.9
20165.0
20175.9
20189.0
20198.2
20205.2
20219.1
202211.6
20238.8
Note: Data for 2024 is not yet available.

Key Observations:


  • 2014-2016 Decline: The significant drop in revenues during this period can be attributed to falling global oil prices and the impact of international sanctions imposed on Russia.
  • 2018 Peak: A notable increase in revenues occurred in 2018, corresponding with a rise in global oil prices and increased production levels.
  • 2020 Dip: The COVID-19 pandemic led to reduced global demand for oil, resulting in a sharp decline in revenues.
  • 2022 Surge: Revenues reached a record high in 2022, driven by a combination of higher oil prices and increased export volumes.
  • 2023 Decline: A decrease in revenues was observed in 2023, influenced by factors such as tighter enforcement of sanctions and a retreat in Urals crude prices towards the $60 per barrel price cap.
    S&P Global
Nope, you are wrong. LOL
 
He’s the only person I have on ignore. Not because he disagrees with me, but reading his posts is like beating your head against a wall. You’d be well advised to not engage him.
I really feel sorry for him. He, like so many others libs on here, spends every waking day and night on HROT. He is simply and old, angry liberal who has no life outside of here. I don't stop by often as family life keeps me busy. But when I do, I can count on Riley and his other screen names and his angry lib friends to provide a good laugh. Peace.
 
I really feel sorry for him. He, like so many others libs on here, spends every waking day and night on HROT. He is simply and old, angry liberal who has no life outside of here. I don't stop by often as family life keeps me busy. But when I do, I can count on Riley and his other screen names and his angry lib friends to provide a good laugh. Peace.
I never used to post on here. It’s been an adventure. These guys hate Trump so badly they often unintentionally endorse traditional Republican policy without even realizing it. It’s fascinating.

Ukraine is the topic on here where misinformation is the norm.

It will be interesting for me to see how this all plays out. Plays out in reality, not here.
 
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Yeah, Russia has really been gutted. :rolleyes: They are making more money then ever off of their oil revenue because of this war.

If you think Russia has been gutted by this war, you are delusional. And, even if that were true, then what would you decribe what has been done to the Ukrainian peple? Your liberal party and its leader could have prevented this war and didn't. And, now the Dems have one of the lowest party approval ratings in history. This war is one of the reasons......

If you call 200,000,000,000+ billion a pittance, then start sending extra on your taxes and tell them to send it to Ukraine instead of helping those in need here in the US. Or, you could move to a place like Spain who came one SO strong in support of Ukraine, while giving .01% of what we have given, while at the same time, making sure they get their money back.

Oh, and here is how gutted Russia is. They are laughing all the way to the bank. Facts Matter.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
"Over the past 4 years, Russia's oil export revenues have exploded. Below is an overview of the estimated annual revenues for the past 5 years:

202072.4
2021110.2
2022180.0
2023192.0
2024239.7
Can you provide a source and a link?

According to this paper their revenues were:
2021: $123B
2022: $170B
2023: $103B

Curious how this source could be off by almost 2x compared to yours for 2023. Also curious how you already have data for ALL of 2024. Not that I’m calling you a liar or anything.
 
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I think OP is interpreting/predicting wrong.

I think Trump/Vance lost a lot of credibility here.

Garry Kasparov has it right here:




They will be setting things up to ensure they never hold any accountability for what they are doing.
Not even at the ballot box. DOJ will declare "fraud" in every precinct that a GOP MAGA loses, and that will formally end our democracy as we know it.

"These are not the acts of people who expect to lose power anytime soon, or ever. They are racing to the point where they will not be able to afford to lose control of the mechanisms they are ripping up and remaking in their image. What such people will do when they believe that mounting a coup is the lesser risk to their fortunes and power cannot be predicted."
 
Yeah, Russia has really been gutted. :rolleyes: They are making more money then ever off of their oil revenue because of this war.


Which is why taking out 100% of their refineries is how you win here.
Using any and all NATO assets to assist Ukraine in doing so.

Putin already crossed that line w/ taking out internet infrastructure to NATO countries; time for the gloves to fully come off.
 
Can you provide a source and a link?

According to this paper their revenues were:
2021: $123B
2022: $170B
2023: $103B

Curious how this source could be off by almost 2x compared to yours for 2023. Also curious how you already have data for ALL of 2024. Not that I’m calling you a liar or anything.

Russia SAYS those are their numbers, so they HAVE TO BE their numbers, yo!!!!
 
You're wrong. Again.

YearOil and Gas Revenue (Trillion Russian Rubles)
20147.4
20155.9
20165.0
20175.9
20189.0
20198.2
20205.2
20219.1
202211.6
20238.8
Note: Data for 2024 is not yet available.

Key Observations:


  • 2014-2016 Decline: The significant drop in revenues during this period can be attributed to falling global oil prices and the impact of international sanctions imposed on Russia.
  • 2018 Peak: A notable increase in revenues occurred in 2018, corresponding with a rise in global oil prices and increased production levels.
  • 2020 Dip: The COVID-19 pandemic led to reduced global demand for oil, resulting in a sharp decline in revenues.
  • 2022 Surge: Revenues reached a record high in 2022, driven by a combination of higher oil prices and increased export volumes.
  • 2023 Decline: A decrease in revenues was observed in 2023, influenced by factors such as tighter enforcement of sanctions and a retreat in Urals crude prices towards the $60 per barrel price cap.
    S&P Global

His Russian Economic Ministry numbers are probably in "unadjusted Russian Rubles", which makes it LOOK like a gigantic increase in revenues.

In reality, inflation has crushed the revenues.
 
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I imagine the US will find itself alone before long. (Fixed it for you.) And when China starts taking stuff in the Pacific why the hell should Europe support the country that abandoned it?
You mean their bleating about the ‘rules based international order’ suddenly won’t apply when it’s not in their backyard, and they’ll just sit on the sidelines?
How is that different than now?
 
EIA believes Russian numbers and has independently confirmed using KPLER, Marine Traffic, ENTSOG & selected custom's data.

People post stuff just to post stuff, and above we have another example of fake news.

Also, EU, who everyone recently seems to worship, has their own agenda due to their own policy. Their own policy is soft on Russia FWIW.


Do not ever believe anything @Joes Place posts. Ever.

@Joes Place is fake news. Confirmed fake news multiple times. His issue is he posts his opinion as if it is fact, and as if it should be taken without questioning. He is not to be believed in any area.
 
Yeah, Russia has really been gutted. :rolleyes: They are making more money then ever off of their oil revenue because of this war.

If you think Russia has been gutted by this war, you are delusional. And, even if that were true, then what would you decribe what has been done to the Ukrainian peple? Your liberal party and its leader could have prevented this war and didn't. And, now the Dems have one of the lowest party approval ratings in history. This war is one of the reasons......

If you call 200,000,000,000+ billion a pittance, then start sending extra on your taxes and tell them to send it to Ukraine instead of helping those in need here in the US. Or, you could move to a place like Spain who came one SO strong in support of Ukraine, while giving .01% of what we have given, while at the same time, making sure they get their money back.

Oh, and here is how gutted Russia is. They are laughing all the way to the bank. Facts Matter.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
"Over the past 4 years, Russia's oil export revenues have exploded. Below is an overview of the estimated annual revenues for the past 5 years:

202072.4
2021110.2
2022180.0
2023192.0
2024239.7

Hey moron, military infrastructure =/= oil revenue
 
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EIA believes Russian numbers and has independently confirmed using KPLER, Marine Traffic, ENTSOG & selected custom's data.

People post stuff just to post stuff, and above we have another example of fake news.

Also, EU, who everyone recently seems to worship, has their own agenda due to their own policy. Their own policy is soft on Russia FWIW.


Do not ever believe anything @Joes Place posts. Ever.

@Joes Place is fake news. Confirmed fake news multiple times. His issue is he posts his opinion as if it is fact, and as if it should be taken without questioning. He is not to be believed in any area.

LNG is not "oil", Cletus.

Posts were specific to oil refineries and oil revenues.
 
LNG is not "oil", Cletus.

Posts were specific to oil refineries and oil revenues.

The oil figures are confirmed by KPLER, Marine Traffic, ENTSOG & selected custom's data. The reference I made to LNG and NG is accurate if one has the capacity to read and understand in context.

Please post an actual link that refutes these multiple, credible sources. A link, not your misplaced opinion.

I wonder where NG comes from? Maybe @Joes Place can do a quick search of MSNBC and let me know. lol.

You are still incorrect. Try again.
 
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The oil figures are confirmed by KPLER, Marine Traffic, ENTSOG & selected custom's data. The reference I made to LNG and NG is accurate if one has the capacity to read and understand in context.

I wonder where NG comes from? Maybe @Joes Place can do a quick search of MSNBC and let me know. lol.

You are still incorrect. Try again.
You just can't help yourself. Hilarious.
 
He is bringing North Koreans to sooth his own population. He is realizing that his people want the war over as well. So, lets get this done
BULLSHIT, Putie army is a small fraction of what he started with, had to bribe prisoneers, and beg N.Koreans for some of there soldiers, to keep this going. He still has women, are they next.
 
WOW.....it almost as if they have decided to charge more per barrel. :rolleyes:

Again.

202072.4
2021110.2
2022180.0
2023192.0
2024239.7
Sources:

  • 2017-2021: Data compiled from Trading Economics, which reports quarterly oil export revenues.
    Trading Economics

  • 2022: Estimates based on reports indicating that Russia's oil export revenues reached approximately $180 billion.
  • 2023: According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), Russia's crude oil and oil product export revenues were $192 billion in 2023.
    Reuters

  • 2024: Reuters reported that Russia's economy ministry revised its 2024 forecast for oil and gas export revenues to $239.7 billion, reflecting a more positive price outlook.
    Reuters

Sources
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Are those numbers before or after Ukraine destroyed many Russian refineries ? Still have many more to destroy, which i believe will be successful.
 
Are those numbers before or after Ukraine destroyed many Russian refineries ? Still have many more to destroy, which i believe will be successful.
They already have January 2025 numbers. I can't speak to his numbers, but Russian energy revenue is increasing well over the rate of Russian inflation.

Ukraine could destroy more Russian energy sources. EU would need to turn to America and other suppliers. Part of the plan I believe, you probably believe otherwise, so we'll find out soon enough I guess.
 
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They already have January 2025 numbers. I can't speak to his numbers, but Russian energy revenue is increasing well over the rate of Russian inflation.

Ukraine could destroy more Russian energy sources. EU would need to turn to America and other suppliers. Part of the plan I believe, you probably believe otherwise, so we'll find out soon enough I guess.
You're wrong. Again.

YearOil and Gas Revenue (Trillion Russian Rubles)
20147.4
20155.9
20165.0
20175.9
20189.0
20198.2
20205.2
20219.1
202211.6
20238.8
Note: Data for 2024 is not yet available.

Key Observations:


  • 2014-2016 Decline: The significant drop in revenues during this period can be attributed to falling global oil prices and the impact of international sanctions imposed on Russia.
  • 2018 Peak: A notable increase in revenues occurred in 2018, corresponding with a rise in global oil prices and increased production levels.
  • 2020 Dip: The COVID-19 pandemic led to reduced global demand for oil, resulting in a sharp decline in revenues.
  • 2022 Surge: Revenues reached a record high in 2022, driven by a combination of higher oil prices and increased export volumes.
  • 2023 Decline: A decrease in revenues was observed in 2023, influenced by factors such as tighter enforcement of sanctions and a retreat in Urals crude prices towards the $60 per barrel price cap.
    S&P Global
 
Russia's energy revenue increase YTY over 33% in 2024. In 2024, the year that your graph has no data on.

Like I posted accurately, January 2025 numbers are available and verified, 2024 numbers certainly are available and verified. I previously posted how independent sources verify these numbers.

You're arguing just to argue, and you don't even understand what you're arguing about.

So yes, I am correct.
 
Russia's energy revenue increase YTY over 33% in 2024. In 2024, the year that your graph has no data on.

Like I posted accurately, January 2025 numbers are available and verified, 2024 numbers certainly are available and verified. I previously posted how independent sources verify these numbers.

You're arguing just to argue, and you don't even understand what you're arguing about.

So yes, I am correct.
No. It increased after a huge decrease in 2023. You're really bad at this.

In 2023, Russia's oil and gas revenues declined to approximately 8.822 trillion rubles ($99.34 billion), marking a decrease of 24% from the previous year.

spglobal.com


However, in 2024, Russia's energy sector experienced a significant rebound. The Oxford Institute for Energy Studies reported a 28% year-on-year increase in federal budget revenues from oil and gas, attributed to continued economic growth of about 4%.
 
BULLSHIT, Putie army is a small fraction of what he started with, had to bribe prisoneers, and beg N.Koreans for some of there soldiers, to keep this going. He still has women, are they next.
You do realize that Ukraine is using conscripts to fight as well. Who do you honestly think they have more men to pull from in their own population then Russia?
 
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BULLSHIT, Putie army is a small fraction of what he started with, had to bribe prisoneers, and beg N.Koreans for some of there soldiers, to keep this going. He still has women, are they next.
Are you sure about that? Who is your source?


https://www.voanews.com
September 17, 2024
PENTAGON —
Russia's military is bigger and stronger than it was prior to invading Ukraine in February 2022, the commander of United States Air Forces in Europe and Africa cautioned Tuesday.

"Russia is getting larger, and they're getting better than they were before. … They are actually larger than they were when [the invasion] kicked off," Air Force General James Hecker told reporters at the Air & Space Forces Association's annual Air, Space & Cyber Conference.
 
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They already have January 2025 numbers. I can't speak to his numbers, but Russian energy revenue is increasing well over the rate of Russian inflation.

Ukraine could destroy more Russian energy sources. EU would need to turn to America and other suppliers. Part of the plan I believe, you probably believe otherwise, so we'll find out soon enough I guess.
In the end, it will not matter what anyone on here thinks. Some people on here truly believe Ukraine is going to bring Russia and that idiot Putin to his knees. They are probably the same ones who thought it was ok to be in Afganistan for all those years as well.

Ukraine is Russia's freaking homeland....it is not remotly like the other areas of that block of countries. But, many of these people on here simply want to hate on Trump and tow the party line.

Oh, and now Zalenski is back to saying he wants peace, but not at the cost of the 500 billion in rare earth minerals. This is what he ALREADY agreed to for pete sakes and why he was in Washington to begin with. He is a liar. End this war, let us get our money back, just like he has agreed to do with the Europeans. That will provide security as we will be tied economically in a whole new way.
 
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In the end, it will not matter what anyone on here thinks. Some people on here truly believe Ukraine is going to bring Russia and that idiot Putin to his knees. They are probably the same ones who thought it was ok to be in Afganistan for all those years as well.

Ukraine is Russia's freaking homeland....it is not remotly like the other areas of that block of countries. But, many of these people on here simply want to hate on Trump and tow the party line.

Oh, and now Zalenski is back to saying he wants peace, but not at the cost of the 500 billion in rare earth minerals. This is what he ALREADY agreed to for pete sakes and why he was in Washington to begin with. He is a liar. End this war, let us get our money back, just like he has agreed to do with the Europeans. That will provide security as we will be tied economically in a whole new way.
My position is

1) The US meddled in Ukrainian affairs and really messed things up about 2013-2013, if not earlier.
2) The US aided in starting all of this. Ukraine didn't help itself.
3) Russia isn't innocent, but few take the time to understand Russia's position.
4) Russia invaded Ukraine.
5) Zelenskyy is not a good guy.
6) We're going to get some sort of peace.
7) The peace might be temporary and there are no guarantees. Bill Clinton was correct about this approach with Putin.
8) We absolutely need to take the chance.
9) In negations, based on past documented events, Putin has a better track record at keeping his word than does Zelenskyy.
10) #9 is partially verified by Bill Clinton. I posted this yesterday.
11) #9 is partially verified by Zelenskyy's recent behavior. The recent video in it's entirety, along with previous Zelenskyy statements verify this.
12) Everyone is all of the sudden an expert in foreign affairs and diplomacy.
13) No one is actually an expert except the experts.
14) There is disagreement among the serious experts.
15) People selectively pick the expert that supports their word view. Media has picked a side.
15) Few amateurs take the time to understand the issues as evidenced by numerous misleading posts on this board.
16) Fewer amateurs have taken time to review Ukraine history and the US involvement
17) The current POTUS gets an opportunity to implement his policy
18) Time will tell who is right, and it is likely a combination of both sides in some proportion.

To expand on #15, during Viet Nam we had video every day. We don't here. There is some video on other sources. Both sides are brutalizing the enemy in what is very likely war crimes. Leaving aside which side one might support, there is a reason this isn't being shown to the American people. If this was shown I believe the vast majority of Americans would take the position tis needs to end immediately, and would be in favor of both Russia and Ukraine taking a a haircut to get it ended.

Having been in combat, the bluster on here is laughable. Watching people getting killed is no fun, and most couldn't stomach it.

This is how I see it, and I'm open to input, but not from the vast majority of person who post n tis site. They have proven to be partisan and uninformed in my view, and I have no time for that. I'm fair, so I wouldn't expect most on here would give a cra about what I think, and I don't care about that either. I have some things on my side in my opinion.
 
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