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Nope uh huh... sorry you are either for the potato in chief we have or for the convicted felon. You are not permitted to think independently. Now who's it gonna be? Choose wisely Democracy is at stake here. 😉
The “convicted felon” diatribe gets old. Yes, he paid “hush money” to a porn star. However, he didn’t kill somebody, etc…you know like a real/bad crime. 😉 Also, let’s get real, if Trump wasn’t running for president he would have never been in court.
 
What else do you “want” that you’re not going to get so you’re willing to fvck up your life out of spite? Do you seriously not understand that you’re living in la-la land?

Here are your choices:

1. Vote for Biden (or against Trump, same thing)

2. Vote for Trump

3. Vote third party which eases Trump’s path to a win (assuming you think he’s the worst choice)

4. Don’t vote with the same stipulations as #3

If you choose 3 or 4, keep it to yourself. You’ve abdicated your responsibility and no one else wants to hear about it. If you choose 2, you’re a fvcking idiot. If you choose 1, feel free to do it reluctantly, hating the choice, but recognizing it’s what’s best for the country.
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The “convicted felon” diatribe gets old. Yes, he paid “hush money” to a porn star. However, he didn’t kill somebody, etc…you know like a real/bad crime. 😉 Also, let’s get real, if Trump wasn’t running for president he would have never been in court.
Truth.
 
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It's too early to assume Biden will lose. He's an incumbent president with a good record running against a conman felon. The best strategy to defeat Trump at this point is to get behind Biden.
My casual interactions with friends and family align with the horrendous polling data on Biden and my own observations on his mental competence. So unfortunately I think you are wrong. I just wish Dems wouldn’t get so angry at those of us who honestly believe Biden will lose. I don’t understand the certainty people feel that Biden is the Dems best chance. I honestly believe he is the worst chance the Dems have. And I think he will sink down ballot races too.

It’s sad that this is where we are, but this is where we are.
 
Rapists have had zero effect on my life, either, yet somehow I don't think they should be allowed to roam free.

Translation: what kind of intellectually bankrupt argument are you trying to sell this time?
Why not ask the guy I responded to who made the argument first and I’m poking fun at for with my comment? Can’t wait for you to jump his ass! Get him! I’m sure you’ll jump all over him.

I make the argument that we need border security and his response is that “illegals have no affect on his life.” And you for some reason skip right past that and focus on my comment parodying it. Odd.
 
Could you please explain to us what you mean by “open borders”? You guys say it like you believe Biden had border patrol open dozens of gates and watched millions of rapists walk into the country. The people who have come into America from the south for a half a century have had zero negative effect on my life. You know who has? Corporations, billionaires and their greed. They have affected me far more than immigrants. Immigrants haven’t done a thing.
Just wait until there is a big terrorist attack in this country (it’s inevitable) then we’ll see what tune you sing. It’s unforgivable how people from all over the world have entered the U.S. virtually unvetted during Biden’s presidency.
 
Just wait until there is a big terrorist attack in this country (it’s inevitable) then we’ll see what tune you sing. It’s unforgivable how people from all over the world have entered the U.S. virtually unvetted during Biden’s presidency.
The pro Hamas rallies and the burning of our flag on J4 are a foreboding of things to come
 
However, what decent alternative to Biden do the Dems have?
Many. It's not the lack of good candidates, it's the corruption of the party structure and it's funding mechanisms.

Even the worst plausible ticket I can imagine - which, off the top of my head, would be Hillary-Manchin - would be better than Trump.
 
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So what you are saying is you are now for abortion and want Biden to take out Trump as a domestic terrorist and use his presidential immunity as a way to get out of it or take the fall for the action since he is clearly not able to function in the capacity of POTUS for another term?
This presidential “immunity” fear mongering BS from the left is amusing. Do they realize it’s ONLY for official acts of a president. Not some wild ass scenarios that I’ve read, which are obviously not official acts of a president. For instance, the presidential immunity would protect Biden against lawsuits by family members of the 13 U.S. service members killed from Biden’s very stupid Afghanistan withdrawal. While it was a bone-headed withdrawal plan, it was certainly within a president’s official acts.
 
This presidential “immunity” fear mongering BS from the left is amusing. Do they realize it’s ONLY for official acts of a president. Not some wild ass scenarios that I’ve read, which are obviously not official acts of a president. For instance, the presidential immunity would protect Biden against lawsuits by family members of the 13 U.S. service members killed from Biden’s very stupid Afghanistan withdrawal. While it was a bone-headed withdrawal plan, it was certainly within a president’s official acts.
I wonder if that would only be criminal immunity? If those families wanted to sue for wrongful death, civil charges if the presidential immunity extends?
 
My casual interactions with friends and family align with the horrendous polling data on Biden and my own observations on his mental competence. So unfortunately I think you are wrong. I just wish Dems wouldn’t get so angry at those of us who honestly believe Biden will lose. I don’t understand the certainty people feel that Biden is the Dems best chance. I honestly believe he is the worst chance the Dems have. And I think he will sink down ballot races too.

It’s sad that this is where we are, but this is where we are.
I'm not angry that many people want Biden replaced or believe he will lose. I just don't want them to make it a self fulfilling prophecy. I know you and many of the HROT posters that are disgusted about the current situation still oppose Trump. My hope is that you and others like you will still cast your vote to keep Trump out of the Oval Office regardless of which candidate is at the top of the Dem ticket. In a normal election I would agree the purpose is to vote for someone you support not just against someone you don't, but these are not normal times.
 
Many. It's not the lack of good candidates, it's the corruption of the party structure and it's funding mechanisms.

Even the worst plausible ticket I can imagine - which, off the top of my head, would be Hillary-Manchin - would be better than Trump.
I guess that I just don’t agree with you, as I don’t see any one Democrat that would excite and unify their party, other than perhaps Michelle Obama? However, she reportedly has no interest/desiree in being the nominee.
 
Do you guys seriously still not understand what a lot of us are saying?

It’s not that we think Trump is the better option. It’s that we want a different alternative to Trump. We don’t want this to be a binary choice between a narcissistic, sociopathic criminal and an 86-year-old man who no longer has the energy to perform one of the most stressful jobs in the world.
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But when you vote for Biden, who are you really voting for? He is clearly not in charge. Who is the brain trust behind the figure?
I honestly don't care. Would I like someone younger? **** yes. But there has been a lot of good things done these past 4 years and I trust his cabinet and administration will continue to do good work.

The other choice is the exact opposite of that. It will be pure chaos and nothing will get done except further destruction. We can get through 4 more years of a Biden administration and I am confident if we continue down that road we can start making the necessary changes we need in our society. With a trump administration we will just allow for us to go backwards even further and delay getting our country and institutions on the right path.

Also I am not confident that trump isn't that far behind Biden in his ability to be all there. He's a moron and constantly said crazy and dumb things and is clearly a narcissist. In a few years it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he's in the same shoes Joe is in right now. So why in the world would anyone vote for the evil version of what we are seeing now? No thanks I'll stick with the road we are going down.
 
I wonder if that would only be criminal immunity? If those families wanted to sue for wrongful death, civil charges if the presidential immunity extends?
Could be…I don’t know. The main point of my post was that presidential immunity is only for official presidential acts. Every president has made decisions that, in retrospect, could be construed as “criminal” by some. However, no president could be effective worrying about every official decision they make.
 
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Do you think we want that as well? I think some of us are just further along in accepting that this is the situation we are in and are pragmatic about it and think it is a rather easy choice still. I just hope the rest of you hurry the hell up and get to the same conclusion by November. You don't have to be happy about it but voting for Biden is the correct choice
 
I guess that I just don’t agree with you, as I don’t see any one Democrat that would excite and unify their party, other than perhaps Michelle Obama? However, she reportedly has no interest/desiree in being the nominee.
That's not the problem. The problem is that republicans are united behind Trump.
 
Could be…I don’t know. The main point of my post was that presidential immunity is only for official presidential acts. Every president has made decisions that, in retrospect, could be construed as “criminal” by some. However, no president could be effective worrying about every official decision they make.
Where are "official acts" defined?
 
Do you think we want that as well? I think some of us are just further along in accepting that this is the situation we are in and are pragmatic about it and think it is a rather easy choice still. I just hope the rest of you hurry the hell up and get to the same conclusion by November. You don't have to be happy about it but voting for Biden is the correct choice
This might very well be a situation where pragmatism is tantamount to surrender.
 
Rapists have had zero effect on my life, either, yet somehow I don't think they should be allowed to roam free.

Translation: what kind of intellectually bankrupt argument are you trying to sell this time?
What kind of argument do you think @FAUlty Gator would make if he couldn’t attempt intellectually bankrupt, hurl-shit-at-the-wall-maybe-something-will-stick ones? He’s a grad A dunce.
 
What is your suggestion for how we get better choices for President between now and November?
More importantly, what does he suggest someone does if the choices we have now are the choices we have then. It appears it is to "surrender".
 
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