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If project 25 becomes reality

If project 25 becomes the new America, will you stay?

  • Moving out of the fascist country

    Votes: 9 18.8%
  • Hell no, staying put. **** your socialist public programs

    Votes: 8 16.7%
  • Reluctantly staying to see what happens

    Votes: 14 29.2%
  • What’s project 25?

    Votes: 12 25.0%
  • See results

    Votes: 5 10.4%

  • Total voters
    48
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I am curious. A quick google said it advocates for a strong border and sacking thousands of civil servants which to me doesn't seem awful.
wrecking any reproductive freedom women have left, shutting down the department of education, shutting down NOAA.
 
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I am curious. A quick google said it advocates for a strong border and sacking thousands of civil servants which to me doesn't seem awful.

Abolishing the federal reserve

Abolishing the NOAA

Eliminating the Dept. of Education

Eliminating free school meals

Eliminating head start

Firing all State department leaders and replacing them with "acting" leaders who are personally loyal to the Fuher.

Allowing the president to fire pretty much any DOJ employee.

Making porn illegal

 
Is it banning the abortion pill?

Severino writes in the project's manifesto that the Food and Drug Administration is "ethically and legally obliged to revisit and withdraw its initial approval" of the abortion pills mifepristone and misoprostol.[121] He also recommends that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention "update its public messaging about the unsurpassed effectiveness of modern fertility awareness-based methods" of contraception,[121] such as smartphone applications that track a woman's menstrual cycle.[188]

So yeah it kind of is.
 
At 52, I am stuck here, at least until my mid 60s and retirement all worked out.

But my kids aged 12, 18 and 22 are another story. The two oldest are fairly adamant about living abroad due to the direction of country. There are a ton of amazing and good places to live in Europe, Asia, and the Americas.
 
It won't. Trump doesn't even back it.

This is classic MAGA. Trump will say all sorts of different - often contradictory - things about the same topic and his followers (or reluctant supporters) can pick which one they like and want to believe.

Trump can say he has never heard of Project 2025 and that he totally disavows it. And that's great and totally acceptable for the folks who don't like what's in Project 2025.

Then, at the same time, Trump can also be totally aligned on many of the topics covered in Project 2025. And that's great and totally acceptable for the folks who do like what's in Project 2025.

The phenomenon is one of the biggest advantages of Trump's political success.
 
Abolishing the federal reserve

Abolishing the NOAA

Eliminating the Dept. of Education

Eliminating free school meals

Eliminating head start

Firing all State department leaders and replacing them with "acting" leaders who are personally loyal to the Fuher.

Allowing the president to fire pretty much any DOJ employee.

Making porn illegal

Thing is that this has to be always be linked with the fact the fuhrer will come into power immune from crimes / abuse of power. This is not chicken little stuff, things could really go south quick.
 
This is classic MAGA. Trump will say all sorts of different - often contradictory - things about the same topic and his followers (or reluctant supporters) can pick which one they like and want to believe.

Trump can say he has never heard of Project 2025 and that he totally disavows it. And that's great and totally acceptable for the folks who don't like what's in Project 2025.

Then, at the same time, Trump can also be totally aligned on many of the topics covered in Project 2025. And that's great and totally acceptable for the folks who do like what's in Project 2025.

The phenomenon is one of the biggest advantages of Trump's political success.

In real life Trump will back it as long as he doesn't have to do any real work. He's not going to try to get votes out of congress or negotiate the finer points of any bills. That all takes away from his time on the golf course or watching Fox News praise him for 12 hours a day.
 
This is classic MAGA. Trump will say all sorts of different - often contradictory - things about the same topic and his followers (or reluctant supporters) can pick which one they like and want to believe.

Trump can say he has never heard of Project 2025 and that he totally disavows it. And that's great and totally acceptable for the folks who don't like what's in Project 2025.

Then, at the same time, Trump can also be totally aligned on many of the topics covered in Project 2025. And that's great and totally acceptable for the folks who do like what's in Project 2025.

The phenomenon is one of the biggest advantages of Trump's political success.
Last week he claimed he never heard of it, and within seconds said he disagreed with it.

How can you disagree with something you've never heard of?

Critical thinking is beyond maga comprehension though.
 
No it’s a nationwide abortion ban, after lying about giving it to the states. This will have a cascading affect in fertility/reproductive care such as IVF.
I thought the stance was to stick with what it currently is now? FTR I was against overturning Roe v Wade
 
I know very little about project 25. Only recently reheard about it here on HORT. Based on the very little I know about it, I do not support it. Its is highly unlikely I would move out of the U.S. I wouldn’t leave my family and it’s highly unlikely my children will want to leave.
 
So you've read all 900+ pages then?
I'll help you out.

Ban on abortions is in pages 449-503
Ban on contreceptives is page 449
Tax breaks for the 1% is page 691
Elimination of unions and worker protections including OSHA is page 581
cutting social securty is 691
Killing the ACA is 449
Ending the DOE is page 319
Public money for religious schoos 319
Teach christian beliefs in school 319
Ban all AA and gender studies 319
End civil rights and and Dei type program 545-581
End climate protections 417
INcrease drilling in the arctic 363
Deregulation oil industry 363
End marriage equality 545-581
Defund FBI and Homeland securtity 133
Use of military to break up protests 133
Mass deportations and immigrant camps 133
End birth right citizenship 133
Eliminate FDA, EPA, NOAA 363-413
 
I'll help you out.

Ban on abortions is in pages 449-503
Ban on contreceptives is page 449
Tax breaks for the 1% is page 691
Elimination of unions and worker protections including OSHA is page 581
cutting social securty is 691
Killing the ACA is 449
Ending the DOE is page 319
Public money for religious schoos 319
Teach christian beliefs in school 319
Ban all AA and gender studies 319
End civil rights and and Dei type program 545-581
End climate protections 417
INcrease drilling in the arctic 363
Deregulation oil industry 363
End marriage equality 545-581
Defund FBI and Homeland securtity 133
Use of military to break up protests 133
Mass deportations and immigrant camps 133
End birth right citizenship 133
Eliminate FDA, EPA, NOAA 363-413
I'll get to reading
 
Given my race, gender, income bracket and religious upbringing - it likely would all work out very well for me personally.

Still oppose it, though, as I actually have empathy for others and believe government has a role in providing a robust social safety net and addressing past inequities.

But hey, good luck with all that if we are dumb enough to put a raping conman insurrectionist and serial liar back in the White House. 🤷‍♂️
 
It won't. Trump doesn't even back it.
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Damn you all for making me go somewhere I've never gone before to find Trump's Agenda 47, (Trump's website), but I'll continue to call bullshit both ways when I see it (when I want to take time to do so).

This is Trump's agenda 47, the agenda he backs: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47.

Fear mongering over Project2025 is quite the diversion, but it's crap.

Now I'm not taking the time to do it, but I'm sure the two plans have commonalities.
 
Damn you all for making me go somewhere I've never gone before to find Trump's Agenda 47, (Trump's website), but I'll continue to call bullshit both ways when I see it (when I want to take time to do so).

This is Trump's agenda 47, the agenda he backs: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47.

Fear mongering over Project2025 is quite the diversion, but it's crap.

Now I'm not taking the time to do it, but I'm sure the two plans have commonalities.
Even if he personally doesn't back it (and who really knows what he wants), you know damn well many of the MAGA Right want it. If they have control of the house and senate and it makes its way to Trumps desk, you really think he won't sign it?

It's amazes me how some people still act like we don't know who Trump is or what his motives are.
 
wrecking any reproductive freedom women have left, shutting down the department of education, shutting down NOAA.
This does not shut down science, but it hopefully prevents unelected bureaucrats from stopping policy implementation.

The majority of the department of education is liberal and they been implementing liberal policy for a long time that a lot of non liberals don't support. California has too much influence on what is taught in schools. The goal of Republicans is to give states the ability to choose what they teach and how they teach it. This does not sound bad to me.
 
Relocating to a place that's more progressive regarding women's rights has come up more and more frequently in the last couple of years. I don't feel good about raising daughters in a state/country that doesn't trust them to make their own medical decisions.

Why not raise your daughters to be responsible and not have unprotected sex?

Disclaimer: I'm not against abortion.
 
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