If we miss on Martin
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Has he visited Iowa yet or scheduled a visit? Looks like he would have the size to be able to play right away
If we do not land Martin, then Yeast will definitely rise..............in importance.
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I heard they would fold the program and give the new facility to the women's field hockey team.
My guess is that the Hawks will continue to recruit DB recruits ... and then simply entertain the option to convert them to WRs if we don't land some of our remaining WR targets. I imagine that there are a few DBs who essentially have "protected" offers - that is to say that we'll hold the 'ship until they choose one way or the other. My guess is that guys like Yeast and Nelson have such offers.
As for WR targets - in addition to Gibbs and Martin, we're also pursuing Heyward.
As for WR targets - in addition to Gibbs and Martin, we're also pursuing Heyward.
Gibbs, Martin and Heyward look to be the 3 WR recruits left unless they let Yeast choose to play WR. Buckley stated just before he 'committed' to TAM that he wanted to take all 5 of his officials so maybe we still have a long shot at him if we can get him to IC this fall.
I would be very surprised if Camron Buckley flips. IMO, I wouldn't count him among Iowa's realistic options at this point.
Even if his coach gets the axe? I wouldn't totally rule him out yet, just sayn'.
Perhaps wishful thinking on my part, but if we can get Buckley on campus, then we may stand a chance.
Any chance we could flip McQuitty if Keith Williams is fired? Was down to us and Nebraska and he has said that Williams was a big factor in his decision
I highly doubt Williams gets fired. It's Nebraska.
Even if he were to be fired, wouldn't happen until February after signing day.
I agree. However, whatsup13579er wasn't insinuating that we have a great shot at flipping Buckley. He just was indicating that our hat is still in the ring just as long as Buckley decides to visit (he's on record stating that he'd visit).
It's a long recruiting season. If the coaching situation at A&M ends up looking tenuous or if Iowa does great and A&M looks like crap ... perhaps a conspiracy of factors could sway him our way. However, as it stands, I would definitely agree that getting Buckley would be a longer shot.
Buckley is probably a longshot at this point. Iowa was in a very good position with him before TAM offered. So if Iowa can get him up here for a visit, there is a chance he changes his mind. I'd put it at 30% that he flips if he comes up for a visit. 40% if he comes up with Eno and the rest of the TX2IA crew.
If I am that kid's parents, I would have a real problem with my son playing for that guy and him having significant influence over him for the next four years.
I would trade them all in for the big DT, Damion Daniels. We have a lot of fast WRs/DBs coming in and can find a lot more next year. Recruiting really large, powerful and QUICK DTs is way more difficult, IMHO. Not sure how many true DTs we have behind JJ, Faith and Bazata...
I heard the rumor is that he wants a baseball scholarship from Iowa State. If he gets it, he's gone.
Lattimore has already switched to DT and he looks like he belongs. I can't remember a time where DT was a position of weakness. But I agree. I think Daniels has got to be priority #1 right now for KF and staff.
*Edit: I think Michael Slater is also a good DT candidate if he hasn't already made the move.
I am glad Lattimore is kicking tail and he definitely looks the part! I heard about Slater last year as an "heir apparent" but now he isn't even in the 2-deeps. Always hurt? I hope I am wrong and there are 5 or 6 studs waiting in the wings, but Hulett is hurt and he was supposed to be our 4th. Lattimore sounds like he leap-frogged everyone else to take Hulett's place ... and if a TRUE freshman is doing that ...it doesn't bode very well (just IMHO) for the depth at that position.
If anyone can find some hidden studs out there, it is definitely coach Morgan, though.
Ask and ye shall receive ....
DTs
SRs = Johnson, Ekakitie
JRs = Bazata, Hulett (injured currently - Johnson has said good things about him, walk-on), Gaffey (walk-on)
SOs = none
RS FR = Slater (currently injured), Jansen, Giese (walk-on), Reiff (currently undersized)
TR FR = Lattimore (currently 2nd team), Schulte
I would concur that Iowa could really use Damion Daniels at DT. We otherwise don't return any DT with that larger body-type. Furthermore, with the exception of Lattimore, almost all of our other guys who are likely to end up at DT are developmental-types. In other words, it will take a while for them to get to the point where they can be significant contributors on the field.
Ahhh rumors and speculation... The guy many people didn't spend two seconds thinking about until a month or so ago. Best of luck to Martin wherever he lands. It's his choice. His talent. His career. If he comes to Iowa ... great... If he goes to MSU, Oregon, etc., great and good for him. No matter his decision, Martin will be fine, and Iowa football WILL survive. The joy of message boards is people can simply spout their opinion and say "rumor has it he is an MSU lean" ... or "he's an Iowa lean" ... etc. None of us know. Wherever he ends up ... best of luck to him and kudos to him for having the opportunity to be courted by so many outstanding schools.
I don't think that it is an issue of not boding well. As I've just written in a recent post, it relates more to the fact that most of our current guys who are projected at DT simply are guys who are more developmental-types. Just because they're developmental doesn't mean that they won't be great ... it just means that they have a longer row to hoe. Consequently, we have to be a little big more patient with them.
Just remember, both Karl Klug and Mike Daniels were developmental types ... and both ended up being mighty fine players for the Hawks.
Louis Trinca-Pasat wasn't really even on ANY fans radar when he first started getting meaningful reps on the DL. He's another guy who really developed into the position. It's bizarre to think that Louis actually played some WR for his high school!
However, as you rightly point out, depth because a much bigger issue when guys start getting injured. With both Slater and Hulett injured ... the development of guys who were projected to be contributors have now dramatically slowed. Given how critical DL play is for our D ... that is potentially a big deal. Hence, that is why guys like Lattimore and, hopefully Daniels can make such an important difference for our D as we look to the future.
The lack of depth/talent at DT will hopefully help us out landing Daniels... pretty please
I'm surprised we aren't going after more DTs in the 17 class.
A DT in the '17 class is likely not going to really be a bigger contributor until 2019 - although that is not to say that it couldn't be sooner (just look at how Lattimore is poised to contribute in '16).
However, if you look to around the '18 season, we're still going to have the following guys:
Lattimore (JR in '18)
Slater (JR in '18)
Reiff (JR in '18)
Jansen (JR in '18)
Schulte (SO in '18)
Golston (SO in '18) - played both DE and DT in high school
Fitzpatrick (RS FR in '18)
Duwa (RS FR in '18)
Furthermore, if you consider Reese Morgan, player attrition is ALWAYS low at whatever position group he's coaching - so you have to figure that the majority of players will be retained.
Consequently, while Daniels could definitely help make Iowa's DT situation more rock-solid ... I still think that the group will end up being far more than competent.
I was referring more to guys like Duwa and Fitzpatrick. Daniels would have the size to potentially contribute right away ... however, there's a lot more to the position than just size. Jaleel Johnson is a talented guy and he didn't see the field right away. However, being a starting DT within Iowa's scheme ... particularly one with the skill set of Daniels, is essentially a direct ticket to the NFL.
Oh, man! I am more concerned now than I was before this post. Not so much about the '18 season but for the '17 season. Daniels will come in and have a much more B1G-ready body than Fitzpatrick, Duwa and possibly even Schulte, Jansen and Reiff.
'17's DT is going to be very thin (from my viewpoint right here in August of '16) unless some of these guys (a) get healthy and (b) get bigger and start kicking ass this year. My worry is if Bazata would get hurt ... yikes!! Hulett, Slater and Lattimore of which only Hulett has even taken a few snaps. 2 of those guys are currently hurt, but Idk to what extent.
I will try to come off the ledge, now, and enjoy THIS year... but Mr. Daniels ... the opportunity is there for you!
I was at the stage you were earlier in the summer - picking nits as it relates to DT depth heading into 2017. However, at that time, I forgot to consider how we'll be looking at DE by then.
By 2017, we'll have 2 DEs with starting experience AND Anthony Nelson will have seen extensive backup reps. Furthermore, by '17, some of the redshirting DEs have a chance to possibly emerge. On top of all that, we're also bringing Epenesa into the fold.
While I'm hoping as much as anybody that we land Daniels - he'll certainly offer something different than nearly everybody else who will be on our roster by 2017. However, our DL is still poised to be VERY good that year. As you rightly point out - the bigger issue simply might concern the overall depth at DT. I don't think that we need to manufacture a false sense of emergency simply to attract him onto our roster. I think that it may be "sexier" to offer him an opportunity to join an elite, championship caliber unit that he'll be able to assist in achieving beast-mode status.
The ONLY issue I see the Hawks defense having in 2017 will be at corner ... we'll be breaking in new starters. However, I'm completely confident that the new guys will play great once they get used to being every-down starters. The talent will certainly be there!
In fact, the ONLY concerns I have for the 2017 squad is at CB and at QB.
ghost, need your input on a couple of questions related to depth at DT:
1) What are the chances that Jake Newborg moves to DT? Seems to me that Iowa is heavily stacked at OL with 5 underclassmen (Daniels, Ferguson, Waechter, Render, and Legrand) already included on the current depth chart .... and that doesn't account for the Paulsen twins, fellow freshman Alaric Jackson, and new recruit Mark Kallenberger. Newborg also played DT in HS I believe and he has the size at 6ft3, 290. An opportunity?
2) Do you think Parker Hesse might eventually move inside? Anthony and Matt Nelson both appear starter-worthy and are both underclassmen. Coaches also like Brincks (soph). Golston will probably redshirt then have 4 years. Epenesa will likely contribute right away in 2017. IMO Hesse looks be a good candidate to move over, especially if Van Ginkel commits. Whataboutit?
