Wasnt our fan base recently embarassed by a fan yelling racial slurs at another wrestler?? some of yall need to get off your high horse.
Illinois fan harassing Kris Murray
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I still don't think that instance was ever confirmed.
But we like other programs have POS fans. That is the case everywhere
Not doubting what you are saying but the issues you speak of happened mostly in the south. And they were very wrong and sad chapter in our history. I did indicate in my original that bad people have always been among us but their numbers have multiplied with each passing decade.I'm old too and have to call BS on this. There was just as many rude or downright evil in the 50s and 60s as there are now. The difference now is that social media makes it a lot easier for these people to disseminate their hate.
You're obnoxious now. Who is your avatar flipping the bird to anyway???
I could see opposing fans flipping some shit to Conner or JBo, but the Murry boys are as good and mild mannered as any player in the Big. Do you see either flex, point, bow like Harper or others? No, just dunk in your face and go back and play D.
Actually I think Kofi is a laid back Jamaican ( like most ) kid who is pretty soft spoken.
I don't think any player ever endured the taunts that Patrick Ewing did. The Big East fans were the scum of the earth and it predates Trump or the internet for those who don't know history...
When someone says something like that to a player or another person, people need to call that person out so they face the consequences of their actions….
The video linked below doesn't show any Illini fans harassing Kris Murray as he walks off the court. I watched it in slow motion (0.25 speed) on youtube several times. At no point after the shot does Kris ever direction his attention to any Illini fan as he walks toward his bench. Before the camera pans away while Kris is walking under the basket, an Illini fan rushing the court trips and falls in front of him, and Kris notices it as he is joined by a teammate. From that point on (off video), if any Illini fan said anything crude, I imagine his teammates would've witnessed it. The story is that it happened while walking off the court, and the video gives a decent bird's eye view up to the point where he rejoins his team. Not trying to stir up trouble. I don't doubt he was jeered at during the game, but since this is a story, the video should be looked at.
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This is a gross oversimplification. The dissolution of the family unit and its wide-ranging impact is probably the biggest factor. Not condoning drugs, but as a former hippie, I would argue that the backlash against people who don't look like them, has had much more of an impact on hate speak and lack of respect for others than the culture of the 60s/70s. Don't want to write a book here, but this is a complex issue and having political leaders who have no respect for truth or concern about others has been gas on the fire...
So, you are calling Kenyon Murray and his son liars???? Come on, all fanbases have shitheads and acting like this video proves something is plain stupid.
Kenyon wasn't there so he can't testify to what happened. Kris is welcome to elaborate on what happened or clear things up, like maybe it was something he heard during the game. I don't support that kind of harrassment. I would post the video even if it did show an Ilini fan harrassing Kris as he walked off the court so the Illini fan could be identified.
Lol. What? Black people literally couldn't drink from the same water fountain as white people until the second half of the 60s. What drugs are you on?
Maybe something was said to Kris when he was going into the tunnel and the fans are overhead? I don't know. It wasn't the kids rushing the court who said anything.
that video shows a small portion of when he's walking towards bench, you can't see anything that happens as they walk off out of the camera view. nice try.
This is great news! Hopefully no hard feelings.
Many of them should get used to wearing orange.
But I could show MANY videos of Kofi Cockburn traveling, standing in the lane for 10 seconds, and fouling Iowa shooters.
By many, I mean over 20 combined.
And that is just in the Iowa game.
From Yesterday's (March 8) Press Conference:
Q. On another note, there’s been a lot of conversation on Twitter about the incident with Kris on the court. And they talked about what fans are saying impacts his family. As a coach, what’s your advice to players on dealing with that?
FRAN MCCAFFERY: Here’s the problem. It’s not going away. It happened to my son Jack. He’s a freshman in high school. He’s getting killed on the road. As long as they keep putting people right by the court, they’re going to be yelling. It’s not just the students. It’s the high rollers. They’re typically worse than the students.
There’s one of two ways. Either you just deal with it, keep your mouth shut, or you go back at ’em, if you want to. Whatever works for you. We’re not solving that problem today or any time in the future. People are going to buy a ticket, and they’re going to come and they’re going to yell at the players.
But I will tell you this, it’s a thousand times worse on social media with what these kids hear and what is said to them and how they are viciously attacked. So I feel bad for Kris, but I can tell you this, he’s not worried about it. That’s one tough kid there.
Q. You’re not a social media guy.
FRAN MCCAFFERY: No. Are you?
Q. I have —
FRAN MCCAFFERY: You’ve been known to tweet. They make you tweet. (Laughter).
Q. There will be a day when I don’t. Your players seem to have free rein. What’s your philosophy about that?
FRAN MCCAFFERY: You prepare your guys for life, and you want them to stand up for themselves. You want them to take advantage of the platform. Sometimes, yeah, there might be a Twitter beef. A lot of times they’re using their platform in incredibly positive ways. If you muzzle them, you don’t get any of the good stuff.
I would say most of what our guys tweet and they put out there is positive. They will defend themselves, and I would expect them to defend themselves. Occasionally a line is crossed. Sometimes coaches don’t want to ever get to that point so they don’t deal with it at the front end. So don’t tweet anything, therefore, we may never get to the point where you cross a line. You know what? That’s life. Sometimes you cross a line and you deal with that. You might have to apologize. You might have to get reprimanded or whatever.
But I would always want my guys to stick up for themselves, and you guys know me well enough, I will always stick up for them and have their back.
It is an interesting journey that they go through at this level, and my hope is always that it’s the best four years of their lives. I want it to be an incredibly positive experience, but that’s not what life is. There’s defeat. There’s adversity. And there’s things that happen that are not pleasant. So we deal with it, but by all means, you want to fire back, go ahead. I’m not going to ever tell them not to.
Some people handle it — Kris is typically a quiet kid. Like he’s not one of those guys that’s out there, he’s not going to run his mouth. But I know this, he’ll compete, and he’ll prepare, and he’ll work, and he has character. So we have others that are not afraid to put themselves out there in a big way. We all know who they are.
Q. At the end of the game, and Nicholas Baer tweeted about this. He said you went over and gave Kris a hug at the end of the game. How important was that to you to do that?
FRAN MCCAFFERY: I think it’s important that you know your players. Kris is such a great teammate, and he wants to win so badly, and he’s such a good person. He misses the last shot, that’s a difficult thing. I was pleased with, number one, our execution to get him that shot. I was pleased that he took it. I said, look, you’re going to make the next one. You’re going to get this opportunity again, and you’re going to make the next one. I love you.
Because he missed a couple of free throws, so he feels bad. We all know when our guys feel bad about something. That’s when he needs you, as you’re high fiving him when everything’s going great. Because he has had a special year for us, and I think the sky’s the limit for where he’s headed.
I want him to know how much we appreciate him because we wouldn’t have been in position to have a last shot if it wasn’t for him. I think sometimes we forget that when it’s the end of the game.
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Q. On another note, there’s been a lot of conversation on Twitter about the incident with Kris on the court. And they talked about what fans are saying impacts his family. As a coach, what’s your advice to players on dealing with that?
FRAN MCCAFFERY: Here’s the problem. It’s not going away. It happened to my son Jack. He’s a freshman in high school. He’s getting killed on the road. As long as they keep putting people right by the court, they’re going to be yelling. It’s not just the students. It’s the high rollers. They’re typically worse than the students.
There’s one of two ways. Either you just deal with it, keep your mouth shut, or you go back at ’em, if you want to. Whatever works for you. We’re not solving that problem today or any time in the future. People are going to buy a ticket, and they’re going to come and they’re going to yell at the players.
But I will tell you this, it’s a thousand times worse on social media with what these kids hear and what is said to them and how they are viciously attacked. So I feel bad for Kris, but I can tell you this, he’s not worried about it. That’s one tough kid there.
Q. You’re not a social media guy.
FRAN MCCAFFERY: No. Are you?
Q. I have —
FRAN MCCAFFERY: You’ve been known to tweet. They make you tweet. (Laughter).
Q. There will be a day when I don’t. Your players seem to have free rein. What’s your philosophy about that?
FRAN MCCAFFERY: You prepare your guys for life, and you want them to stand up for themselves. You want them to take advantage of the platform. Sometimes, yeah, there might be a Twitter beef. A lot of times they’re using their platform in incredibly positive ways. If you muzzle them, you don’t get any of the good stuff.
I would say most of what our guys tweet and they put out there is positive. They will defend themselves, and I would expect them to defend themselves. Occasionally a line is crossed. Sometimes coaches don’t want to ever get to that point so they don’t deal with it at the front end. So don’t tweet anything, therefore, we may never get to the point where you cross a line. You know what? That’s life. Sometimes you cross a line and you deal with that. You might have to apologize. You might have to get reprimanded or whatever.
But I would always want my guys to stick up for themselves, and you guys know me well enough, I will always stick up for them and have their back.
It is an interesting journey that they go through at this level, and my hope is always that it’s the best four years of their lives. I want it to be an incredibly positive experience, but that’s not what life is. There’s defeat. There’s adversity. And there’s things that happen that are not pleasant. So we deal with it, but by all means, you want to fire back, go ahead. I’m not going to ever tell them not to.
Some people handle it — Kris is typically a quiet kid. Like he’s not one of those guys that’s out there, he’s not going to run his mouth. But I know this, he’ll compete, and he’ll prepare, and he’ll work, and he has character. So we have others that are not afraid to put themselves out there in a big way. We all know who they are.
Q. At the end of the game, and Nicholas Baer tweeted about this. He said you went over and gave Kris a hug at the end of the game. How important was that to you to do that?
FRAN MCCAFFERY: I think it’s important that you know your players. Kris is such a great teammate, and he wants to win so badly, and he’s such a good person. He misses the last shot, that’s a difficult thing. I was pleased with, number one, our execution to get him that shot. I was pleased that he took it. I said, look, you’re going to make the next one. You’re going to get this opportunity again, and you’re going to make the next one. I love you.
Because he missed a couple of free throws, so he feels bad. We all know when our guys feel bad about something. That’s when he needs you, as you’re high fiving him when everything’s going great. Because he has had a special year for us, and I think the sky’s the limit for where he’s headed.
I want him to know how much we appreciate him because we wouldn’t have been in position to have a last shot if it wasn’t for him. I think sometimes we forget that when it’s the end of the game.
Fran McCaffery News Conference Transcript
Coach Brands immediately condemned it. Said there is no place for it. Anyone hear Coach Underwood say anything? Heck no, he wants that atmosphere. That's the difference.
to be fair..... has anyone asked Underwood? Brad's a good dude, i doubt he would condone what happened to Kris. Do they want the environment they do? Sure, but there are lines that get crossed and this is one.
McCaffery also seemed to say that putting the students courtside, behind the visiting team can also lead to issues. It did last night in the Wagner- Bryant game. So everyone hoping Barta is going to reseat the students behind the visiting bench are going to have a long wait...
I see where Coach Underwood finally reached out to the Murrays and condemned the actions. A little late but good for him.
The more other coaches show their true colors the more I appreciate Fran.From Yesterday's (March 8) Press Conference:
Q. On another note, there’s been a lot of conversation on Twitter about the incident with Kris on the court. And they talked about what fans are saying impacts his family. As a coach, what’s your advice to players on dealing with that?
FRAN MCCAFFERY: Here’s the problem. It’s not going away. It happened to my son Jack. He’s a freshman in high school. He’s getting killed on the road. As long as they keep putting people right by the court, they’re going to be yelling. It’s not just the students. It’s the high rollers. They’re typically worse than the students.
There’s one of two ways. Either you just deal with it, keep your mouth shut, or you go back at ’em, if you want to. Whatever works for you. We’re not solving that problem today or any time in the future. People are going to buy a ticket, and they’re going to come and they’re going to yell at the players.
But I will tell you this, it’s a thousand times worse on social media with what these kids hear and what is said to them and how they are viciously attacked. So I feel bad for Kris, but I can tell you this, he’s not worried about it. That’s one tough kid there.
Q. You’re not a social media guy.
FRAN MCCAFFERY: No. Are you?
Q. I have —
FRAN MCCAFFERY: You’ve been known to tweet. They make you tweet. (Laughter).
Q. There will be a day when I don’t. Your players seem to have free rein. What’s your philosophy about that?
FRAN MCCAFFERY: You prepare your guys for life, and you want them to stand up for themselves. You want them to take advantage of the platform. Sometimes, yeah, there might be a Twitter beef. A lot of times they’re using their platform in incredibly positive ways. If you muzzle them, you don’t get any of the good stuff.
I would say most of what our guys tweet and they put out there is positive. They will defend themselves, and I would expect them to defend themselves. Occasionally a line is crossed. Sometimes coaches don’t want to ever get to that point so they don’t deal with it at the front end. So don’t tweet anything, therefore, we may never get to the point where you cross a line. You know what? That’s life. Sometimes you cross a line and you deal with that. You might have to apologize. You might have to get reprimanded or whatever.
But I would always want my guys to stick up for themselves, and you guys know me well enough, I will always stick up for them and have their back.
It is an interesting journey that they go through at this level, and my hope is always that it’s the best four years of their lives. I want it to be an incredibly positive experience, but that’s not what life is. There’s defeat. There’s adversity. And there’s things that happen that are not pleasant. So we deal with it, but by all means, you want to fire back, go ahead. I’m not going to ever tell them not to.
Some people handle it — Kris is typically a quiet kid. Like he’s not one of those guys that’s out there, he’s not going to run his mouth. But I know this, he’ll compete, and he’ll prepare, and he’ll work, and he has character. So we have others that are not afraid to put themselves out there in a big way. We all know who they are.
Q. At the end of the game, and Nicholas Baer tweeted about this. He said you went over and gave Kris a hug at the end of the game. How important was that to you to do that?
FRAN MCCAFFERY: I think it’s important that you know your players. Kris is such a great teammate, and he wants to win so badly, and he’s such a good person. He misses the last shot, that’s a difficult thing. I was pleased with, number one, our execution to get him that shot. I was pleased that he took it. I said, look, you’re going to make the next one. You’re going to get this opportunity again, and you’re going to make the next one. I love you.
Because he missed a couple of free throws, so he feels bad. We all know when our guys feel bad about something. That’s when he needs you, as you’re high fiving him when everything’s going great. Because he has had a special year for us, and I think the sky’s the limit for where he’s headed.
I want him to know how much we appreciate him because we wouldn’t have been in position to have a last shot if it wasn’t for him. I think sometimes we forget that when it’s the end of the game.
Fran McCaffery News Conference Transcript
I’m guessing a kid of strong will with a great upbringing (assumed) would have this roll off his back. I’m sure he recognizes the idiocy of it without the feelings revenge or retribution. Do it on the court.
Fran's a Phllly hot head but he's really smart. His answers are always really good and thoughtful.
By the way, during Jack's games, the opposing crowd chants, "Shoot it, Connor."
Bastards!
In the transcript I posted above, Fran made it sound like it gets much worse than that for Jack. Jack's just a freshman in HS, of course.
I'm sick of it. Just because you purchase a ticket to the game doesn't mean you have carte blanche to say and do whatever the f#ck you want. This is a societal problem that is not unique to Illinois or Iowa or anywhere else.Fran's a Phllly hot head but he's really smart. His answers are always really good and thoughtful.
By the way, during Jack's games, the opposing crowd chants, "Shoot it, Connor."
Bastards!
In the transcript I posted above, Fran made it sound like it gets much worse than that for Jack. Jack's just a freshman in HS, of course.
Harassing a 14-year-old kid is about as low as it gets. I'd say fine these idiots and ban them from games.
I think he’s a damn good human. It’s what people are like when they don’t do the superficial fake sound bytes crap.
When i took the high school team on the campus visit and attended practice Fran spent some 30 minutes talking to the kids and fielding questions. One of my kids asked if they could go to the floor and shoot and be cracked a big smile and said, “I would feel bad if you didn’t.”
Bingo. There is damn near zero accountability for fans at sporting events and it's time that changes.
Fines and bans are appropriate when taunts happen before and after games, but if unruly behavior occurs when there's time on the clock, officials also need to start stepping up and start assessing technical fouls to those idiot fans. They'd literally have only themselves to blame if their team loses.
Are you the neighbor who used to yell at me to get off your lawn when I was a kid?
I'm not on drugs, recreational or medicinal. I made a reply in this thread indicating that the injustices suffered by black people in the 60s was very wrong and an extremely sad chapter in our history.
Serious question as I had no idea Iowa fans said a bunch of racist shit to Kofi. Did Fran come out and publicly comment or was it not during a game? That shit has no place in this world nor does what the Illini fan said, i am just curious as I wasn’t aware of the incident
Sense of entitlement. Runs throughout our culture—ESPECIALLY amongst those with the means to, for example, attend high-level sporting events.
Hence why I ignore most people.
Or occasionally make snide remarks encouraging self harm for the select few who need to.
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