In case anybody cares......Indiana just beat the Gophers on criteria
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The result isn't all that surprising. Football, MBB, and wrestling all are pretty bad up in Gopherville. That is one, sorry athletic dept. We knew they would struggle this next few years when you lose that many seniors at once. The hope of fans is that the redshirts will bring help, but I just don't see it. Stroker, I believe, is going to be a bust. Early? The best of their upcoming kids is likely Steveson.
The ultimate embarrassment will be if ISU beats them this season. J is on his last hurrah and I doubt Eggum gets the HC job. Mark Hall saw the problems coming... and for this reason... I think Brady Berge ends up in Iowa City.
Gonna be great seeing the Gopher fans melting down for the next few years.
The ultimate embarrassment will be if ISU beats them this season. J is on his last hurrah and I doubt Eggum gets the HC job. Mark Hall saw the problems coming... and for this reason... I think Brady Berge ends up in Iowa City.
Gonna be great seeing the Gopher fans melting down for the next few years.
No reason to think that Eggum won't get the job. J should have stepped down after last year.
When the program seems to be trending down...why wouldn't you make wholesale changes? Minnesota is/has been a good program for quite some time and I think they could do MUCH better than Eggum. Recently... you could argue that State has had more talent than Iowa. Losing Hall, maybe losing Berge, Parriot went to Purdue.
Having an aging head coach who, I agree, should have retired last year, is similar to other legends who just didn't know when to hang it up.
Their collapse last year at Nationals could just be an indicator that the best days are gone.
Having an aging head coach who, I agree, should have retired last year, is similar to other legends who just didn't know when to hang it up.
Their collapse last year at Nationals could just be an indicator that the best days are gone.
Berge is welcome in Iowa City. So is Steveson, for that matter.
Or, when the time comes, do they hire someone from outside to try and get that extra recruiting class of wrestlers that follow their coach to the new school. Seems like there's quite a few wo aren't too sure about Eggums ability...
I kinda disagree Mitch, Stroker is a talent and has gone back and forth with Kemmerer, who most on this board feel will compete for national titles in the next couple years. Larry Early is a stud hands down who I think will absolutely excel at the next level. Bobby Stevenson is a monster and while I have no inside information appears to be very close to his little brother Gable who is even better. I love Brady Berge and hope he ends up in Iowa City, but if he stays in state, those aforementioned guys together make a heck of a squad. Mitch McKee 133 Hunter Marko 141 (he beat Happel) Stroker 149 Early 157/165 Berge 157/165 Owen Webster 184 B Stevenson 197 G Stevenson Hwt. Couple a holes here and there but not quite doom and gloom yet. They certainly underperformed last year (I think at one point they had 4 guys ranked #1 and then shit the bed at B10s and NCAAs) and are horrible right now, but I think they'll get better pretty quick. They have a lot of tough in-state High School teams and I'm sure plenty of kids still want to go there. I remember what a great recruiting tool the J. Robinson intensive camp was and maybe still is. The gophers are kinda like Iowa St, D1 wrestling is much more compelling when they are good.
So, if Stroker would have chosen Iowa, you think that he'd be a bust early?
Not a huge surprise. They lost three duals in one weekend last month. Lost 5 starters (which isn't an excuse) but they have plenty of firepower redshirting this year.
University of Minnesota Sports Information
12/11/2015
After 10 matches at the Sports Pavilion on Friday night, there was no clear winner between No. 20 Minnesota and Indiana. The Gophers and the Hoosiers were tied at 18 after splitting five matches, the latter serving as the first tiebreaker when duals end with the two teams even on the scoreboard. It would take two additional tiebreakers to declare a winner, with Indiana's 55 points scored in decisions, major decisions and tech falls edging Minnesota's 52 and earning Indiana the criteria point and the victory, 19-18.
"We got to be the guys who score the points. We got to be the guys who get the bonus. You can't let matches, either individually or team, go down like that," said Head Coach J Robinson. "We didn't do that. We wrestled well last week. You've got to be able to come back and do it again but we didn't do it. Some of our guys got to take a deep look at themselves and figure out what they got to do to be consistent."
In its ninth dual of the season, Minnesota drew weights for the first time and the meet began at 165 pounds, where Brandon Krone earned a 7-2 decision over Bryce Martin. The victory was Krone's first career dual meet win after making his career dual debut two weeks ago at Oklahoma State.
Indiana fired back, leveling the match at three when No. 11 Nate Jackson defeated Nick Wanzek, 9-3, and jumpinig ahead when Matt Irick followed with a 7-4 decision over Chris Pfarr at 184 pounds.
No. 5 Brett Pfarr thrust Minnesota in front again when he pinned Jake Masengale in the first period of their 197-pound match. The fall was the third of the year for Pfarr and his seventh bonus win in his last nine matches. No. 8 Michael Kroells followed up with a 6-0 decision over Garret Goldman at heavyweight, putting Minnesota in front 12-6, the biggest lead either team would hold in the dual. Kroells' win is his second in as many matches against Goldman.
Following the intermission, Indiana picked up a 14-8 decision at 125 before Alonzo Shepherd pinned Sam Brancale early in the second period of their match at 133 which, like Pfarr's pin early, transformed a three-point deficit into a three-point advantage for the pinning team.
No. 11 Tommy Thorn pulled the Gophers even once again when he defeated Cole Weaver, 6-2, but the advantage was short-lived as Indiana again jumped in front by three with a 17-10 decision by Luke Blanton over No. 10 Jake Short at 149, leaving the Gophers in need of a win at 157 to at least tie, if not win, the dual.
Brandon Kingsley delivered that victory, taking an 8-4 decision over Jake Danishek. Kingsley's win scored the three points need to evened the score for a third time on the night. With the score tied at 18, officials convened at the table and reviewed the tiebreaking criteria, which ultimately gave the match to Indiana.
Friday's defeat snapped several Gopher winning streaks, including a 13-match run over the Hoosiers. It was Minnesota's first loss in a Big Ten home opener since 2007-2008.
Minnesota will have several weeks off for finals and the holidays before returning to action at the Southern Scuffle in Chattanooga, Tenn. on Jan. 1 and 2. The Gophers return to dual meet action at home against Maryland on Jan. 8. That match will be the team's lone home dual broadcast on the Big Ten Network this season.
Results:
165: Brandon Krone (Minn) dec. Bryce Martin (Ind) 7-2
174: #11 Nate Jackson (Ind) dec. Nick Wanzek (Minn) 9-3
184: Matt Irick (Ind) dec. Chris Pfarr (Minn) 7-4
197: #5 Brett Pfarr (Minn) fall Jake Masengale (Ind) 2:16
285: #8 Michael Kroells (Minn) dec. Garret Goldman (Ind) 6-0
125: Elijah Oliver (Ind) dec. Skylar Petry (Minn) 13-8
133: Alonzo Shepherd (Ind) fall Sam Brancale (Minn) 3:44
141: #11 Tommy Thorn (Minn) dec. Cole Weaver (Ind) 6-2
149: Luke Blanton (Ind) dec. #10 Jake Short (Minn) 17-10
157: Brandon Kingsley (Minn) dec. Jake Danishek (Ind) 8-4
12/11/2015
After 10 matches at the Sports Pavilion on Friday night, there was no clear winner between No. 20 Minnesota and Indiana. The Gophers and the Hoosiers were tied at 18 after splitting five matches, the latter serving as the first tiebreaker when duals end with the two teams even on the scoreboard. It would take two additional tiebreakers to declare a winner, with Indiana's 55 points scored in decisions, major decisions and tech falls edging Minnesota's 52 and earning Indiana the criteria point and the victory, 19-18.
"We got to be the guys who score the points. We got to be the guys who get the bonus. You can't let matches, either individually or team, go down like that," said Head Coach J Robinson. "We didn't do that. We wrestled well last week. You've got to be able to come back and do it again but we didn't do it. Some of our guys got to take a deep look at themselves and figure out what they got to do to be consistent."
In its ninth dual of the season, Minnesota drew weights for the first time and the meet began at 165 pounds, where Brandon Krone earned a 7-2 decision over Bryce Martin. The victory was Krone's first career dual meet win after making his career dual debut two weeks ago at Oklahoma State.
Indiana fired back, leveling the match at three when No. 11 Nate Jackson defeated Nick Wanzek, 9-3, and jumpinig ahead when Matt Irick followed with a 7-4 decision over Chris Pfarr at 184 pounds.
No. 5 Brett Pfarr thrust Minnesota in front again when he pinned Jake Masengale in the first period of their 197-pound match. The fall was the third of the year for Pfarr and his seventh bonus win in his last nine matches. No. 8 Michael Kroells followed up with a 6-0 decision over Garret Goldman at heavyweight, putting Minnesota in front 12-6, the biggest lead either team would hold in the dual. Kroells' win is his second in as many matches against Goldman.
Following the intermission, Indiana picked up a 14-8 decision at 125 before Alonzo Shepherd pinned Sam Brancale early in the second period of their match at 133 which, like Pfarr's pin early, transformed a three-point deficit into a three-point advantage for the pinning team.
No. 11 Tommy Thorn pulled the Gophers even once again when he defeated Cole Weaver, 6-2, but the advantage was short-lived as Indiana again jumped in front by three with a 17-10 decision by Luke Blanton over No. 10 Jake Short at 149, leaving the Gophers in need of a win at 157 to at least tie, if not win, the dual.
Brandon Kingsley delivered that victory, taking an 8-4 decision over Jake Danishek. Kingsley's win scored the three points need to evened the score for a third time on the night. With the score tied at 18, officials convened at the table and reviewed the tiebreaking criteria, which ultimately gave the match to Indiana.
Friday's defeat snapped several Gopher winning streaks, including a 13-match run over the Hoosiers. It was Minnesota's first loss in a Big Ten home opener since 2007-2008.
Minnesota will have several weeks off for finals and the holidays before returning to action at the Southern Scuffle in Chattanooga, Tenn. on Jan. 1 and 2. The Gophers return to dual meet action at home against Maryland on Jan. 8. That match will be the team's lone home dual broadcast on the Big Ten Network this season.
Results:
165: Brandon Krone (Minn) dec. Bryce Martin (Ind) 7-2
174: #11 Nate Jackson (Ind) dec. Nick Wanzek (Minn) 9-3
184: Matt Irick (Ind) dec. Chris Pfarr (Minn) 7-4
197: #5 Brett Pfarr (Minn) fall Jake Masengale (Ind) 2:16
285: #8 Michael Kroells (Minn) dec. Garret Goldman (Ind) 6-0
125: Elijah Oliver (Ind) dec. Skylar Petry (Minn) 13-8
133: Alonzo Shepherd (Ind) fall Sam Brancale (Minn) 3:44
141: #11 Tommy Thorn (Minn) dec. Cole Weaver (Ind) 6-2
149: Luke Blanton (Ind) dec. #10 Jake Short (Minn) 17-10
157: Brandon Kingsley (Minn) dec. Jake Danishek (Ind) 8-4
Cannot locate attendance.
Indiana wins on third tiebreaking criteria (total match points, 55-52) and wins the dual, 19-18http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/121115aaa.html
Indiana wins on third tiebreaking criteria (total match points, 55-52) and wins the dual, 19-18http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/121115aaa.html
In short, no. Now, if they have several truly bad seasons in a row it might be a different story.
As for the post below about all the talent coming in who who might be coming in...well..."might" is the operative word for some and you have to factor in that some just won't pan out. They need several good recruiting classes in a row to climb back in it. I can't see J around long enough for something like that.
I don't see the doom and gloom scenario for the Gophers some of you guys do. They've been one hell of a program for a long time, have plenty of in-state talent to draw from that ebbs and flows like Iowa's talent in-state does. J Rob is certainly getting up there in age relative to a lot of guys in the game, but that's why you have assistants. Yeah, they've got some work to do, but their extended demise is greatly exaggerated IMO.
Much like Iowa State, Iowa Wrestling is far more entertaining when our Rivals are strong, and that's when it's exceptionally fun to beat them. I realize a lot of Iowa fans would probably be happy to see Minnesota struggle for years, part of me would be happy about that as well, but beating them when the talent is equal is far more satisfying. As good as they have been, it's not like they've been stealing a bunch of recruits Iowa has been hard after, or pulling kids out of our state left and right that Iowa wants. Iowa has had a couple of pretty shaky teams since Gable retired as well, and we haven't disappeared, I don't expect the Gophers to either (didn't see Iowa State in the tank they're in either, so there is that....................................
).
I guess we'll see how it all shakes out.
Much like Iowa State, Iowa Wrestling is far more entertaining when our Rivals are strong, and that's when it's exceptionally fun to beat them. I realize a lot of Iowa fans would probably be happy to see Minnesota struggle for years, part of me would be happy about that as well, but beating them when the talent is equal is far more satisfying. As good as they have been, it's not like they've been stealing a bunch of recruits Iowa has been hard after, or pulling kids out of our state left and right that Iowa wants. Iowa has had a couple of pretty shaky teams since Gable retired as well, and we haven't disappeared, I don't expect the Gophers to either (didn't see Iowa State in the tank they're in either, so there is that....................................
). I guess we'll see how it all shakes out.
Jammenz...we had over 6,000ish at a Thurs night meet against Rutgers...you guys had 2,000. Iowa dominated, Minne...did not.
Papa Bear is one of us, so I'm going with this and wishing Larry a very successful career as a Gopher.
Lol jam do you really want to talk attendance smack with Iowa fans? You might want to rethink that decision.
I only see one person in this picture. Not even sure if there were any wrestlers there.
I like how you cherry picked photos from the end zones and ignore the sidelines. You know, the places where people sit.
Saw you posted same info about empty seats on FLO.
You don't look in a mirror often do you?
The one thing going for the Goofs is that they truly can cherry pick the State of Minnesota. But there have been quite a few high profile kids leave the program over the last decade for a variety of reasons. I think the massive flop by last years seniors isn't yet reflected in the future recruiting results. The guys they have redshirting this year were all signed before the March fiasco.
You watch the next two or three years and then judge how high school kids are looking at the program. Eggum might be the best option from the current staff, but is he the best they can get? I say no.
I realize PBS has been an overall good guy to have posting here from outside the Hawk family. But when his son starts his career against the Hawks... I think the tone might change.
I agree with Spooner, I believe, that says they have POTENTIAL to improve over the lousy results this year. But they wouldn't be the first team to underachieve with hot prospects going forward. Time will tell.
BTW: There are a lot of variables in how the staff functions once a guy like J retires. You may keep a staff together, but a different head coach sometimes results in bitterness. Look no further than the Gopher football staff once Kill retired. Claeays(sp) took over with the same staff in place... and by the time the season ended he fired not one, but two longtime assts that had been together for many, many years with him.
Minnesota MAY stay relevant, but it is not guaranteed.
You watch the next two or three years and then judge how high school kids are looking at the program. Eggum might be the best option from the current staff, but is he the best they can get? I say no.
I realize PBS has been an overall good guy to have posting here from outside the Hawk family. But when his son starts his career against the Hawks... I think the tone might change.
I agree with Spooner, I believe, that says they have POTENTIAL to improve over the lousy results this year. But they wouldn't be the first team to underachieve with hot prospects going forward. Time will tell.
BTW: There are a lot of variables in how the staff functions once a guy like J retires. You may keep a staff together, but a different head coach sometimes results in bitterness. Look no further than the Gopher football staff once Kill retired. Claeays(sp) took over with the same staff in place... and by the time the season ended he fired not one, but two longtime assts that had been together for many, many years with him.
Minnesota MAY stay relevant, but it is not guaranteed.
Probably the visitor section. Iowa always has good attendance. The season ticket holders are probably on the other side.
Um, yeah. This deserves a big LOL. I donated my tickets, but I knew a few that went and they were happy with the attendance as far as the amount of people on a Thursday. I'd say the 6,000 number sounds about right. How many years in a row have we led the nation in attendance, and we're getting called out about that very thing? Oh yeah, how's that Indiana loss treating you??
Iowa fans should be used to butt hurt comments from Gopher fans. It's either a trend or just a continuing habit.
It likely gets even worse this season given how bad the Gophers are and how they will struggle. It's the same syndrome that affects our neighbors to the West. Cheer avidly AGAINST your main rival to deflect the microscope from just how bad the home team program is.
It likely gets even worse this season given how bad the Gophers are and how they will struggle. It's the same syndrome that affects our neighbors to the West. Cheer avidly AGAINST your main rival to deflect the microscope from just how bad the home team program is.
My opinion of how Stroker will do in college is more based on how other high profile Iowa high schoolers have done when they've left the State to wrestle elsewhere. In the last few decades... I can't recall too many that had great success... regardless the reason. The most notable ones that come to mind are David Kjellgard(sp) at Oklahoma, Mack Reiter at Minny, and Brandon Mason at OSU. Did any ever achieve all American status?
I know I'm premature on writing off Stoker... it's just my opinion.
Reiter had a very good career at MN and was a 3x AA, but it is true that most Iowa natives that have gone out of state have struggled. Justin Kerber also had a nice career at Cornell. although not stellar.
Miklus is putting together a very good career at Mizzou and will very likely be a multiple AA.
Miklus is putting together a very good career at Mizzou and will very likely be a multiple AA.
Dude? Perhaps you're a youngster, but Reiter was a 3 time All-American and had a fine career at Minnesota (Slaton took it to him a time or two I believe, back when they were questioning if Minnesota got the best Iowan in that weight range, etc.).
David Kjeldgaard never did make All-American, but he was far and away the best Iowa recruit to leave the state (even though Reiter was a 4 timer), the #1 overall recruit of that class. He was 16-1 as a redshirt, and then............injuries killed his career. I don't believe he even competed as a Senior.
I was definitely saddened to see Brandon Mason go somewhere other than Iowa, but he proved to be a 1 trick pony essentially, but had a lot of good wins and placed 5th once. I would imagine he is a Doctor of some sort today, he was entering Med School after his wrestling days ended. Kjeldgaard was an academic juggernaut as well. Of course both of their careers would have been better had they come to Iowa.....................
Not 100% certain, but think it was Mario Galanakis and a true freshman by the name of Dan Dennis (he got better..............).
Reiter did beat Galanakis in Carver. I remember that match mainly for Galanakis having a bad knee and Reiter continually hooking the ankle on that side and pulling it away from Galanakis' body while riding him. Sure looked like he was intentionally working on the bad knee. The Carver crowd didn't appreciate it much, to say the least.
Probably enhanced the joy of seeing Slaton take him to the woodshed..........................
That was brutal!Probably enhanced the joy of seeing Slaton take him to the woodshed..........................
