For those who are petrified of life after Kirk…
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lol, you are full of shit. Hawks will win at least 7 next season.
Glad to hear you are done watching. I would also expect you are done posting. Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out !
I agree to some extent. The nuance is NIL contributions are more like a market, and less of a legitimate, charitable contribution (e.g., a universities foundation, athletic department, etc.). NIL contributions will wax-and-wane as a program’s performance, decision-making, entertainment value, etc. provide motivation for discretionary financial support.
Yes, IU has and will benefit from their recent choices, performance, etc. The tertiary confidence in IOWA’s program will continually be evidenced in the NIL strengthening or weakening, like others. The cart will never be before the horse with IOWA’s NIL: the money will always follow the performance, decision-making, objectives, and value/return of the $ spent by the program.
I see NIL contributions falling off, if the disaster on offense continues without even attempting to make a change.
It's SO bad that even the really old guys aren't bringing up the Lauterbur years anymore.
Edit to say I'm talking about the offense, clearly not wins and losses.
If you fire your coaches every 4 years, eventually you find one that works out. Problem for them is when they do find a decent coach, he will more than likely be gone soon.
Indiana has had 7 different HCs since KF with a total of about 38% winning percentage between them. I'm not sure the OP is making the point that he is trying to make.
Indiana has had 7 different HCs since KF with a total of about 38% winning percentage between them. I'm not sure the OP is making the point that he is trying to make.
Uhhh...
You do realize what we're losing, right? (including Kaleb who will likely enter the draft)
Nick Jackson
Kaden Wetjen
Jermari Harris
Sebastian Castro
Quinn Schulte
Jay Higgins
Kyler Fisher
Deontae Craig
Ethan Hurkett
Nick DeJong
Logan Jones
Tyler Elsbury
Connor Colby
Mason Richman
Luke Lachey
Hayden Large
Yahya Black
...and Cade (jury is out if that is truly a loss)
Sure is. Even crazier, look at that list and then look at our record.
It's his first year. And no offense to the B1G, but if he can get 7-8 wins a year at IU consistently he'd be crazy to leave for the SEC. At most SEC schools you get 2 years max before they fire you. And then you're starting all over again.
I'm mainly talking about both lines here. That is a lot of players with experience but how talented is that group?
I don't see anyone that is a sure fire NFL starter and I think that is where our troubles have been this year. The DLine especially has just not been very good imo.
We have lost a ton of very talented players the last few years to the pros. And I'll agree the d line is probably not quite as good as it's been, but I think we have at a minimum 6 pros on this team. Harris, Castro, Higgins, Jackson, Black and Lachey. Probably none will be higher than a 4th or 5th round pick and maybe even go undrafted but I think all end up in the pros.
They all will get a shot. I hope they all can stick in the NFL but most are marginal prospects. The point I am trying to make is that we may have younger guys who are just as talented and possibly more talented. We will need some help in the portal, obviously. We will need help in the secondary and could use help at receiver. O- line is an area to look at as well.
True, the D-line has been unable to generate a consistent pass rush. Allen and Llewelyn look like they may develop into better pass rushers. I also look forward to seeing what the 4 quality D- lineman that are freshman this year can develop into.
Castro and Higgins are/were all conference players. Castro on some All American teams last year ( 3rd team I believe) and HIggins was a top tackler in the country. Castro is a sure fire pro in looking at some of the other guys we've put in the pros at his position. We have nobody on the bench even close to Harris, which was evident by the game on Saturday and other games. He will definitely play in the pros as well. You're underestimating the talent level of some of these guys.
They are both excellent college players. Harris has been good, but again is likely a 4th round or lower draft pick. Castro is a good tackler, but are his coverage skills good enough to play in th NFL ?
Allen has a chance to be special. Probably needs to add 5-10 lbs and learn to control his speed and angles. Nobody in an Iowa uniform has gotten off the ball as fast as he does sometimes but needs to learn to not over run the QB.
Agreed
I think Harris, Castro, Higgins, Jackson all make a team. Black, Lachey, and maybe a couple of the OL get drafted later imo.
My opinion, but I think he’s a better tackler and all around player than both Geno Stone, Amani Hooker and Dane Belton. Loved all of those guys and they’re still playing but I think Castro hits harder and can cover equally as well. All of those guys were also low draft picks but studs at Iowa under Phil.
Lets pump the brakes, he who said he was leaving. Let's check in on Indiana in a few years, before we declare it some huge success story.
If they make the playoffs (still unlikely) and never again would you consider it a success for Indiana who’s been a bottom feeder for 50 years?
Agreed. My point concerned the quick fix. If he doesn't lose too many of those guys after this season, then he should be able to keep IU playing at a high level. And even if he does, it shouldn't take him long to get them back there.
Coach them to be a team with knowledge of the rules on par with referees. There's no way we can lose if we know the rules better than the other team.
And, again, since I know how challenging 4th grade level reading comprehension is for some of you, being done watching Kirk ball does not mean ghosting message boards or no longer caring about Iowa football.
The Ferentz fellatio fan club really needs new material.
So you finally realized how stupid that idea is. Better late then never, I guess.
Florida State
Nebraska
Florida
etc...
For every Indiana, there are several programs that go the other direction and then start up the coaching carousel to try to get back to winning. It could go either way...
I know.
That wasn’t my point.
The point is programs can recover quickly from bad hires. Some fans seem to have this idea if Iowa were to hire the football version of Todd Lickliter that the program would not recover for one or two decades. With NIL and the transfer portal, that is no longer true. Rebuilds don’t take multiple years anymore. They can happen essentially overnight.
In other words, Iowa does not need to feel like they are held hostage to Kirk Ferentz because the ghost of Frank Lauterbur is lurking around the corner. Yes, they are held hostage to his buyout because of Barta’s dumbass, but the fear of declining to 1960s and 1970s level of futility is flat out stupid.
That’s the point.
Agree - And the Kirk era is coming to an end soon anyway so it's inevitable. Never understood why people put Kirk above the program. He's not
I don’t believe schools are allowed to pay players from TV money. If and when they are allowed, NIL will still continue.
Excellent post, 5 stars and two snaps up. The beginning of the end of Ferentz is here. Thank God, Iowa won't do a Penn State and keep Ferentz until he's 85 like Joe Paterno. And why did Penn State keep Paterno around so long? His last ten years went 5-6, 3-9, 4-7, 7-6.
I hope you are correct as I endured Burns, FXL Commings and would hate to go back there.
Somehow he survived a 5 year stretch from 2000-2004 where they went 5-7, 5-6, 9-4, 3-9, 4-7 That's a 26-33 record!
After that they went 11-1, 9-4, 9-4, 11-2, 11-2, 7-6 , 8-1 (he was fired after game 9)
I do not think any of us know how successful the next coach is going to be. Too many variables involved. And I believe none of us here will influence when it takes place. We can all argue if it should happen now or later. Beth will have to make that decision if Kirk does not. Will the large booster get involved? I have no idea. But getting some skilled position players or as they say Jimmy and Joes, whether HS or transferred needs to take place. So, for now I will just sit back and watch and enjoy what I can.
