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In one of his final acts, Biden pardons family members.

Using that reasoning Trump would have been justified in issuing preemptive pardons before he left office in 2021.

Navarro and Bannon would have appreciated it 😂
Binsfield, so you are condoning January 6th??? Seriously what is wrong with you. There is a difference between actually committing a crime, and hypothesizing someone has committed a crime and claiming all the evidence has been destroyed. If you enjoy Trumps eloquent speeches, eat it up. The sophistication is top notch, he will even tell you so.
 
Binsfield, so you are condoning January 6th??? Seriously what is wrong with you. There is a difference between actually committing a crime, and hypothesizing someone has committed a crime and claiming all the evidence has been destroyed. If you enjoy Trumps eloquent speeches, eat it up. The sophistication is top notch, he will even tell you so.
In what post did I condone Jan 6th?

Talk about a leap Bunsen…wtf?
 
In what post did I condone Jan 6th?

Talk about a leap Bunsen…wtf?
Hmm talking about giving out pardons to the January 6th, Bannon Navarro. Seems that I wasn't the only one that made that connection. You know the saying, maybe it wasn't me it was you? Work on being a little more clear if that isn't what you are trying to say. Even still why should Navarro and Bannon deserve a pardon? Where are you going with that? That isn't a leap that is the direction you are taking it.
 
Hmm talking about giving out pardons to the January 6th, Bannon Navarro. Seems that I wasn't the only one that made that connection. You know the saying, maybe it wasn't me it was you? Work on being a little more clear if that isn't what you are trying to say. Even still why should Navarro and Bannon deserve a pardon? Where are you going with that? That isn't a leap that is the direction you are taking it.
No.

The thread is about Joes preemptive pardons.

Trump could have preemptively pardoned both before he left office.

Which is why preemptive pardons are a really bad idea.

Joes given out about a dozen so that cats out of the bag
 
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No.

The thread is about Joes preemptive pardons.

Trump could have preemptively pardoned both before he left office.

Which is why preemptive pardons are a really bad idea.

Joes given out about a dozen so that cats out of the bag
Because of the threats made by the Insurrection leader and a clown inserted as FBI Director that will do his bidding. You are remarkably dense
 
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How many crimes do you think each of these pardoned criminals committed? Bet 34 is a small number in comparison.
You mean pardoned criminals like Roger Stone and Kushner's dad? Good of you to finally admit though that our current president is a convicted felon X34 and sexual abuser. You are coming around to the facts... keep up the good work scruffy!
 
You mean pardoned criminals like Roger Stone and Kushner's dad? Good of you to finally admit though that our current president is a convicted felon X34 and sexual abuser. You are coming around to the facts... keep up the good work scruffy!
Neither one named trump. L.
 
The referral was silly, and I think the false statement claims were based on recollections of meetings and such. More an attempt to distract from Trump’s troubles than anything.
And the millions that were transferred to the bank accounts from their Chinese ‘business partners’ (when there was no actual business)?
False statements from the President and his family about why people connected to the Chinese regime were shoveling money into their bank accounts was really all just a 'distraction from Trump'?
That's a pretty silly way to dismiss Biden's family getting millions of dollars from people in China connected to the regime.

It's ok recognize they were crooks. They're not your family.
 
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And the millions that were transferred to the bank accounts from their Chinese ‘business partners’ (when there was no actual business)?
False statements from the President and his family about why people connected to the Chinese regime were shoveling money into their bank accounts was really all just a 'distraction from Trump'?
That's a pretty silly way to dismiss Biden's family getting millions of dollars from people in China connected to the regime.

It's ok recognize they were crooks. They're not your family.
Where are the false statements about the substance of the allegations? I don’t believe the Oversight Committee cited anything like that. I recall they alleged false statements over technical points from the interviews earlier this year. They extrapolated that to allege they were lying about everything.
 
So. Anyone Trump and his minions wanted to punish for whatever transgression would have to be tried and convicted in a federal court for a presidential pardon to have any application. I have been told that trial outcomes are not to be questioned as the people on those juries made their decisions based on good evidence. If that is true, why did any of these people need a "preemptive pardon"?
And good job Joe-you added to the collective lexicon. Kind of like WJC and quid pro quo.
 
Where are the false statements about the substance of the allegations?

Feb 14, 2024

Joe Biden Met Nearly Every Foreign Associate Funneling His Family Millions​


The Biden Family ‘Business’ was Selling Access to Joe Biden Around the World
WASHINGTON—This past December, President Biden lied to the American people when he claimed he “did not” interact with his family’s foreign business associates.
But bank records don’t lie. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability evidence uncovered through bank records and witness testimony proves Joe Biden interacted with nearly all of his son Hunter Biden’s foreign business associates. President Biden spoke by phone, attended dinners and meetings, and had coffee with his son’s foreign business associates. These individuals include Russian and Kazakhstani oligarchs, a Burisma executive, and Chinese nationals who collectively funneled millions to his son.

Joe Biden knew about, participated in, and benefitted from his family’s corrupt business practices.

I don’t believe the Oversight Committee cited anything like that. I recall they alleged false statements over technical points from the interviews earlier this year. They extrapolated that to allege they were lying about everything.

Why do you think foreigners were transferring millions of dollars to Biden's family?
They have the receipts. The subpoenas of the bank records show the transfers.

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No.

The thread is about Joes preemptive pardons.

Trump could have preemptively pardoned both before he left office.

Which is why preemptive pardons are a really bad idea.

Joes given out about a dozen so that cats out of the bag
Are pardons necessary if Trump has threatened to put people like Pelosi in Jail. Honest question, he brought her up again today and said that she destroyed evidence with no proof. This is what democrats are up against. Yes pardons are a really bad idea. Talking about either militarily or legally going after opponents (that have done nothing wrong, that has been proven) is worse. If you want to defend Trumps behavior be my guest. You continue to ignore his behavior which is causing the reaction of the pardons. But obviously you are struggling to comprehend that reasoning.
 
Feb 14, 2024

Joe Biden Met Nearly Every Foreign Associate Funneling His Family Millions​


The Biden Family ‘Business’ was Selling Access to Joe Biden Around the World
WASHINGTON—This past December, President Biden lied to the American people when he claimed he “did not” interact with his family’s foreign business associates.
But bank records don’t lie. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability evidence uncovered through bank records and witness testimony proves Joe Biden interacted with nearly all of his son Hunter Biden’s foreign business associates. President Biden spoke by phone, attended dinners and meetings, and had coffee with his son’s foreign business associates. These individuals include Russian and Kazakhstani oligarchs, a Burisma executive, and Chinese nationals who collectively funneled millions to his son.

Joe Biden knew about, participated in, and benefitted from his family’s corrupt business practices.



Why do you think foreigners were transferring millions of dollars to Biden's family?
They have the receipts. The subpoenas of the bank records show the transfers.

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Why did Saudis give Trump family billions? If you are going to go after 1 you better be willing to go after all of them.
 
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Are pardons necessary if Trump has threatened to put people like Pelosi in Jail. Honest question, he brought her up again today and said that she destroyed evidence with no proof. This is what democrats are up against. Yes pardons are a really bad idea. Talking about either militarily or legally going after opponents (that have done nothing wrong, that has been proven) is worse. If you want to defend Trumps behavior be my guest. You continue to ignore his behavior which is causing the reaction of the pardons. But obviously you are struggling to comprehend that reasoning.

Despite whatever Trump said, Liz Cheney et al would have to be convicted in federal court. What are the chances of that happening?
 
Despite whatever Trump said, Liz Cheney et al would have to be convicted in federal court. What are the chances of that happening?
Militarily, using the police or legally going after an opponent for no other reason than they called you out is a terrible precedent.
 
Why did Saudis give Trump family billions?
They didn't.
You're mischaracterizing an investment by the Saudi Public Investment Fund.
He's not Jon Corzine, he can't just spend investor funds on his own bets (and get away with it when it goes south the way former Senator and wannabe President Corzine did - do you remember MF Global?).
The Bidens were just given millions and millions (say it twenty-five more times to reach the total) to keep, and they transferred it to their private accounts without reporting it for taxes.
 
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Bonespurs did the pardons for convicted criminals Stone, Manafort, Kushners dad... come on scruffy... trouble keeping up?
 
Militarily, using the police or legally going after an opponent for no other reason than they called you out is a terrible precedent.

I am not denying that. The pardon doesn't prevent a state from bringing charges against any of them. They would still have to be convicted.
 
No I don't, it is not gaslighting, you are the gaslighter. Put up or shut up, show the evidence you have that you can prove and press charges. End of story. Don't tell me hypotheticals. Put up or shut up again. I can say I am a billionaire. In your realm I can say whatever I want and not have to prove it.
You are a liar.

 
Ok the pardon power is officially a joke and has been mutually ruined today.

As for the preemptive pardons, I don’t really think this is the end of anything and has in fact invited the shit if Congress wants to start shoveling it. Specifically, congress can now conduct oversight hearings, and with pardons, witnesses can no longer decline to testify on fifth amendment grounds. Welcome to the perjury trap.
 
You are so full.of shit. God help anyone you provide accounting services. I hope they don't end up in jail on your shit advice
If you don’t understand a debit and a credit, the fundamentals of any transaction, then you know shit, and your opinion on what is shit and knowledge of what makes a good accountant is worthless. You need a money trail to prove your claims and you have none. It’s why you keep deflecting. This isn’t even a debate anymore, so move on.
 
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