Indian Hills guard to Virginia
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Per the article, Iowa did not recruit him. How do you not get down to Ottumwa to at least take a look. Mind boggling. Due dilligence...
I didn't read the article, but that's ridiculous. Mind boggling indeed.
Of course, he's only going to Virginia. What do they know about winning?
If Fred Hoiberg got this guy many on here would be saying who cares just some juco guy like they have been. However if Tony Bennett recruits this guy all of a sudden it's what the hell Fran? The coaches at Virginia see something in this kid that fits their system. The Virginia coaches are aces at coaching kids up and getting them to play Virginia ball. Fran and his coaching staff couldn't hold Bennett and his crews jocks. Fran isn't the best indicator of talent though either. Who knows. A month ago Iowa seemed like a legit top 5 B1G team next year. After losing Cook and Moss and with no additions we seem to be taking steps back. Current team is somewhere between 6th and 9th I think right now.
Believe it or not, he took an official to Illinois and was close to committing (his words) but Virginia offered more playing time. It’s crazy since Virginia is a great program, but Illinois has Ayo and Frazier at the guards who will be sophomore and junior plus Feliz. Virginia lost most of its backcourt talent to the pros.
Maybe he didn’t see as much backcourt time at Iowa, either.
Maybe he didn’t see as much backcourt time at Iowa, either.
How could he see how much backcourt time Iowa offered if he wasn't recruited by them?
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Indian Hills always has plenty of basketball talent. Why Iowa doesn't take advantage of it I have no idea.
BTW: I got into my way-back machine today and recalled that three of Iowa's all-time greats came from two-year schools: Sam Williams (late 60s) -- Burlington CC; Fred Brown (1968-70), SE CC Burlington; and John Johnson (1968-70) NW JC, Powell, Wyoming. With Williams, Iowa tied for a Big Ten title in 1968, and with Brown and Johnson Iowa was 14-0 Big Ten champions in 1970. FWIW.
BTW: I got into my way-back machine today and recalled that three of Iowa's all-time greats came from two-year schools: Sam Williams (late 60s) -- Burlington CC; Fred Brown (1968-70), SE CC Burlington; and John Johnson (1968-70) NW JC, Powell, Wyoming. With Williams, Iowa tied for a Big Ten title in 1968, and with Brown and Johnson Iowa was 14-0 Big Ten champions in 1970. FWIW.
It’s possible that Fran and staff talked to him and he didn’t express interest in Iowa? Even says Iowa St contacted him and didn’t heavily recruit him. Maybe he isn’t viewed as a difference maker by teams like Iowa and Iowa St? I mean there are many possible reasons that we fans don’t know about.
Maybe Virginia just views him as bench guy who can play immediately for depth to come in and spot up shoot since that appears to be what he is known for. It’s not like he was picking from elite teams besides Virginia - his other options were Illinois and Central Florida.
Why is it hard to believe that fran looked at his current guards and prospects and simply liked them better?
Two-year Juco is going to occupy a ride from the 2020 signing class. If you find one they better be a huge contributor.
Two-year Juco is going to occupy a ride from the 2020 signing class. If you find one they better be a huge contributor.
It is hard to argue that Fran is not missing out on opportunities to improve his team.
No, it isn’t. We actually use a full roster and develop players, so when kids leave or graduate we have someone waiting to step up. Many programs do this.
The programs scrambling for transfers many times have continuity, talent, or retention issues.
citing examples from THREE DECADES BEFORE any current recruit was born doesn't help your argument.
I agree we need to hit the JUCO market, but that is a bad example to cite.
I also like developing players, but Fran is one of the last coaches to realize the value of finding transfers to fill holes. College basketball isn't what it was 10 years ago, when most transfers were misfits, who often brought baggage. Fran finally seems to be trying, but he is late to the dance.
What holes do we have for which we are going to find a transfer that’s better than someone on the current roster?
C'mon, Wade. I respect that you're a big Fran supporter, but to suggest that Iowa is "above" a program that would benefit from any Juco transfers is rather ridiculous. I don't know the full story behind this Indian Hills kid, but if Fran seriously completely ignored a Juco guard less than 2 hours from campus with Virginia-level talent, that is absolutely worthy of criticism.
Would we really care if Moss hadn't just left? Why would they have looked at this kid knowing CJF is available next year?
I wouldnt call myself a big Fran supporter. In fact I wanted to move on had we missed the tournament last year. I just think it’s silly that there are posters who think they recognize what’s best for the program more than the coach.
Exactly. If Moss was so irreplaceable Fran would have had a conversation with Isaiah that went something like “you are a valuable player, we have a plan to get you more shots next year” and he wouldn’t have left to get more shots.
Fran is obviously comfortable with the other options.
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Fred Hoiberg is no Tony Bennett but still a much better evaluator and recruiter than Fran.
That entirely depends on who the transfer is. I have no idea on this guy so theres no way to answer that question.
Iowa doesn't have a great returing guard court by any stretch and it seems weird that the national champion is recruiting guys under our nose.
What? Two of our three backcourt players are/will be two of the best players in Iowa history.
When you see a consistent theme with comments from a good portion of the fanbase ... well, that is not 'silly.' Looking the other way and pretending Iowa basketball is on a solid foundation with Fran is 'silly.'
I love the Hawks and have followed them for 40+ years ... Used to be on the I-Club board, seasons tickets, etc. Even I can acknowledge Iowa has been spectacularly average under Fran. And he better adjust his recruiting philosophy quickly as this transfer portal is changing the game ... The mindset of only recruiting kids to coach them up over 4 years is over with ...
No kidding ... In this mind: solid=I have zero expectations and am just happy going to games
Have you considered looking at the percentage of programs that actually successfully utilize transfers every year?
If you do not consider four tournaments in six years with three wins “solid” I simply cannot help you
How do you know that a conversation similar to this didn't occur and that Moss shot Fran down? It's not a guarantee that somebody would buy what Fran is selling...as we all should know by now.
In Dr. Tom's era, that was considered average.
Plus, you're cherry picking. Overall, Iowa has been to the NCAA tournament under Fran 4/9 years with one of those years being a play-in game.
Yes, the fans who voice complaints about Fran like he's done nothing right since he's got here are ridiculous. But it's equally as ridiculous to trumpet these pedestrian successes as if Fran is above reproach.
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