Gatens is a local kid who has been able to play and coach at Iowa. He's had it pretty good even though the coaches he's attached himself to have been less than great.I dont get it.
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Gatens is a local kid who has been able to play and coach at Iowa. He's had it pretty good even though the coaches he's attached himself to have been less than great.I dont get it.
I could get behind McCollum if that's the way it goes.
But I have two lingering concerns:
I welcome any response to ease my concerns.
- Can he recruit at the top level? Developing lower-rated talent is great, but to compete at the highest level, you've got to have a few top-notch guys coming in.
- Style of play. I caught one of Drake's recent games on the TV, and it was kind of jarring to see players slowly walking the ball up the court after a made basket on the other end. That said, at the end of the day, I'm more worried about being successful than any particular style of play. But fans would need to prepare themselves for something significantly different than what we are accustomed to.
The longer I think about it, the more and more his style reminds me of Izzo. His teams run when it is there but they do it selectively and under control. They rebound and defend like no other and his players are tough.
Listen to him talk about why he is playing the style he is right now… he says he doesn’t the amount of shooters he has had in the past, so they do want to jack up quick shots right now with his personnel. If he has the right personnel, they will play faster and with more fluidity as his teams at northwest did.
He really leans into the strategy he thinks will win games based on his personnel, their opponents and the scouting report.
He is all about winning.
I am starting to lean into a decision to retain Fran, at least one more season.. hear me out:
Darian DeVries and Ben McCollum are both in year 1 at their respective programs. WVU has lost 4 of their last 5 and have nearly the same record as Iowa currently. Mac is 21-2 at Drake in his first year. Fran does have a solid recruiting class coming in.
If I am Beth, right now, maybe I give Fran one more year to see if he can turn it around and this would also give an opportunity to see how both Darian and Mac to see how their second year goes. I don’t think Mac would leave to another program after this season, other than Iowa.
Well, we won't have to worry about it for at least one more season.
McCollum isn't a 1 and done at Drake.
Yes, he himself said this.I think he could recruit for the Big Ten, doubt it would be countless 5 start kids. This dude doesnt need 5 stars to win, I think he recruits to what he wants/needs and coaches the hell out of his kids. His style of play, I think he plays to what his roster dictates. The roster he has this year at Drake, he's playing the way he as to, to win games.
That's exactly right 15 years is plenty of time to see what type of coach and program this is. If you look at the top 12 teams right now in college basketball most if not all are defensive minded coaches. This is the style that wins on the road. We need a coach that can recruit, coach defense, and have his team playing it's best basketball in March! None of these attributes scream Fran! Sorry but he has had his time!No. He’s had 15 years with not much to show. It’s past time for a change.
Nosok's replacement at his job. Thoughts?It sure looks like writing on the wall with Fran as I can’t see him being the coach next season. With that said here are a few coaches that they need to look at hard!
Ben McCollum Drake
Chris Jans Mississippi St
Darin DeVries West Virginia
Jarrod Calhoun Utah St
Buzz Williams Texas AM (wildcard longshot)
Thoughts…
I’m sure Alford is already lobbying for the job.![]()
Sources: Woodson set to leave IU at season's end
Men's basketball coach Mike Woodson is not expected to return to Indiana next season, sources told ESPN on Thursday.www.espn.com
No one wants my job! I would do anything to have a job like Iowa. I like my sleep and being home at a decent time in the evenings so I chose a different profession. I would have enough pride to step away from my position if I knew I wasn’t reaching my goals to help the people that I work with!Nosok's replacement at his job. Thoughts?
But you don't have enough integrity to not create public conversation about another man's job statusNo one wants my job! I would do anything to have a job like Iowa. I like my sleep and being home at a decent time in the evenings so I chose a different profession. I would have enough pride to step away from my position if I knew I wasn’t reaching my goals to help the people that I work with!
This I agree with. Fran is not a bad coach and is a great turnaround guy. 16 years however is too long for the results.Give Fran credit—-Iowa was as low as they have ever been when he took over. They have been a good team every year with him. He saved them.
Well Beth is at a billionaires house on the golf course of Phoenix Open so maybe she is securing some cash.I appreciate hearing someone take up the case against quick termination. It's good for the overall discussion.
But here's the thing: Fran's contract runs through the 2027-28 season. There would have to be an astronomical change in results to warrant an extension beyond that. Plus, he would be nearly 70 by then. There is virtually no way Fran McCaffery is coaching at Iowa beyond 2028.
So, in other words, McCaffety is basically a lame duck right now, and will get lamer with each successive year. More and more, this will work against us in recruiting. And none of these facts will change a year from now, other than the cost of the buyout getting smaller. (You also can't count on the talent pool of replacements being any better ... even if there are more attractive candidates, the competition for their services could make them more difficult to hire.)
The one thing we know is that Fran will not be coaching at Iowa beyond 2028. Knowing that, it makes sense to me the pull the trigger now and start breathing new life into the program immediately. Why wait? It might save money, but you run the risk of having an even deeper hole to dig out of. And, you are bleeding revenue every year as ticket sales remain stagnant. Besides that, with the way this season has gone, you have the political capital right now to make the change. I think it would be very popular.
I think there is far more to be gained by making the move now than by waiting.
huh? this makes no sense at allBut you don't have enough integrity to not create public conversation about another man's job status
What the hell are you talking about crazy! This is why we have these types of forum as fans! I have every right to create a dialogue about “another man’s” job status when it comes to a program that I’ve watched for over 40 years of my life. This coach has made millions of dollars in his tenure at Iowa and has zero sweet 16 appearances! I feel that most of the fans on this board agree that it’s time for a change!But you don't have enough integrity to not create public conversation about another man's job status
That's really sad that evidently there are so many of you that feel that way.huh? this makes no sense at all
None of that makes it a right thing to doWhat the hell are you talking about crazy! This is why we have these types of forum as fans! I have every right to create a dialogue about “another man’s” job status when it comes to a program that I’ve watched for over 40 years of my life. This coach has made millions of dollars in his tenure at Iowa and has zero sweet 16 appearances! I feel that most of the fans on this board agree that it’s time for a change!
The financial hit the University is taking with the poor attendance can't be understated.Well Beth is at a billionaires house on the golf course of Phoenix Open so maybe she is securing some cash.![]()
He's trying to shame you for calling for Fran to be fired.huh? this makes no sense at all
No, to Will Wade. Too much baggage.I've been looking at a few articles about candidates to replace Woodson at Indiana, and there are a few names I've seen that we should probably discuss here. (Worth mentioning, I've seen both DeVries and McCollum mentioned in multiple articles as well ... not necessarily as leading contenders, but rather among the names being thrown at the wall.)
Would any of these guys be a good fit at Iowa, if there's an opening here?
I'm not in any way endorsing any of these guys ... just throwing some names out there for discussion.
"every year..."Give Fran credit—-Iowa was as low as they have ever been when he took over. They have been a good team every year with him. He saved them.
For calling for anybody that hasn't engaged in moral wrongdoing to be firedHe's trying to shame you for calling for Fran to be fired.
Indiana fans will demand a bigger name than any of these.I've been looking at a few articles about candidates to replace Woodson at Indiana, and there are a few names I've seen that we should probably discuss here. (Worth mentioning, I've seen both DeVries and McCollum mentioned in multiple articles as well ... not necessarily as leading contenders, but rather among the names being thrown at the wall.)
Would any of these guys be a good fit at Iowa, if there's an opening here?
I'm not in any way endorsing any of these guys ... just throwing some names out there for discussion.
Man people have been fired for less! Wrongdoing has nothing to do with getting canned! People aren’t going to games or even watching on tv! If you don’t see that as a problem Connor! Your dad needs to set sail back to the East coast and be grateful he got 15 years here!For calling for anybody that hasn't engaged in moral wrongdoing to be fired
Whether Fran should be fired or not IS NOT THE POINTMan people have been fired for less! Wrongdoing has nothing to do with getting canned! People aren’t going to games or even watching on tv! If you don’t see that as a problem Connor! Your dad needs to set sail back to the East coast and be grateful he got 15 years here!
Oh yes, absolutely. I just thought it was worth discussing some of the names out there who could be a candidate at Iowa.Indiana fans will demand a bigger name than any of these.
A large part of sports is discussing coaches and if they should be fired or not. Obviously just a troll at this pointHe's trying to shame you for calling for Fran to be fired.
The lawsuits are even worse.The financial hit the University is taking with the poor attendance can't be understated.
That clown is insufferable. I finally hit the ignore button.A large part of sports is discussing coaches and if they should be fired or not. Obviously just a troll at this point
Well in that case, I have every right to call for you to be fired.For calling for anybody that hasn't engaged in moral wrongdoing to be fired
You are wrong on this, he is very much in playI will. ain't happening. they missed that boat
The Fran era should have been over yesterday. It is without question time for iowa to move on to the next chapter.I am starting to lean into a decision to retain Fran, at least one more season.. hear me out:
Darian DeVries and Ben McCollum are both in year 1 at their respective programs. WVU has lost 4 of their last 5 and have nearly the same record as Iowa currently. Mac is 21-2 at Drake in his first year. Fran does have a solid recruiting class coming in.
If I am Beth, right now, maybe I give Fran one more year to see if he can turn it around and this would also give an opportunity to see how both Darian and Mac to see how their second year goes. I don’t think Mac would leave to another program after this season, other than Iowa.
Calling for another man's job is quite a feat for someone who doesn't watch the gamesThe Fran era should have been over yesterday. It is without question time for iowa to move on to the next chapter.