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Most on here talk about Spencer. Spencer has no ACL’s and will be limited this year. Mystery solved.

How about Ayala? Anyone know why we haven’t seen him this year?

What going on with Murin?

What’s going on with Kemerer?

It’s my understanding Warner came up hobbled his last match in Luther. What’s the word on him?
 
Haven't Seen Cashman, Bennett, or Rathjen at either of these opens either?

Does anyone know is RS wrestlers can compete in the 'extra' matches?
 
Haven't Seen Cashman, Bennett, or Rathjen at either of these opens either?

Does anyone know is RS wrestlers can compete in the 'extra' matches?
Good question on the extra matches. I assumed they could because they are essentially exhibitions. Dunno if that’s correct though. Wouldn’t be surprised if NCAA would have a different take:/
 
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Most on here talk about Spencer. Spencer has no ACL’s and will be limited this year. Mystery solved.

How about Ayala? Anyone know why we haven’t seen him this year?

What going on with Murin?

What’s going on with Kemerer?

It’s my understanding Warner came up hobbled his last match in Luther. What’s the word on him?
Weird. I just attempted to like this post and a screen came up asking me if I was sure I wanted to like it… lol
 
Good question on the extra matches. I assumed they could because they are essentially exhibitions. Dunno if that’s correct though. Wouldn’t be surprised if NCAA would have a different take:/

Last season they counted for the official records. So I would assume the opposite that guys redshirting cannot.
 
Most on here talk about Spencer. Spencer has no ACL’s and will be limited this year. Mystery solved.

How about Ayala? Anyone know why we haven’t seen him this year?

What going on with Murin?

What’s going on with Kemerer?

It’s my understanding Warner came up hobbled his last match in Luther. What’s the word on him?
I have the same questions. Surprised half the line-up doesnt wrestle the first match of the year and no discussion or info as to why. Seems odd when 14k tickets were just bought by fans and everybody is in the dark. Just seems like some general update from TB could be done without revealing sensitive info.
 
I have the same questions. Surprised half the line-up doesnt wrestle the first match of the year and no discussion or info as to why. Seems odd when 14k tickets were just bought by fans and everybody is in the dark. Just seems like some general update from TB could be done without revealing sensitive info.

There’s no real question as to why. Lee will wrestle very few times to nurse his injury. Murin is injured. Kemdawg is clearly injured. Warner is injured. Assad is the only one where the explanation isn’t obvious.

I’m more curious as to why our entire roster seems to be constantly battling injuries. People say “injuries are part of the sport”, but I don’t see other teams with the degree of injuries as Iowa has had.
 
The Health Insurance Portability and Acountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), specifically the Privacy Rule, is designed to protect an individual's privacy. Regarding the NCAA, the athletes past, present, or future health condition is constrained/restricted by HIPAA. Likewise information regarding the treatment of the athlete's heath condition is regulated/restricted by HIPAA.
Me thinks HIPAA is the primary reason so little information is disclosed to the public regarding the health status of NCAA athletes (University of Iowa wrestlers).
 
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If Brands holding out wrestlers becomes a trend through December and into the new year, as a PSU fan I'll become a bit more concerned about our chances of catching the Hawks. If I were Brands, my biggest objective would be to head into March as fresh and healthy as possible. Spencer, Kem and Marinelli would be the 3 I'd sit most. The rest of the lineup would be on a pitch count as well but to a lesser degree. I think Iowas biggest threat to not winning the title this year is injury a/o fatigue from a gruelling season. They are a veteran group, they already know how to wrestle and win. I think they aren't going to get much better by wrestling every match but also don't believe they will become worse by sitting a few out.
 
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If this trend of Brands holding out wrestlers continues through December and into the new year, as a PSU fan I'll become a bit more concerned about our chances of catching the Hawks. If I were Brands, my biggest objective would be to head into March as fresh and healthy as possible. Spencer, Kem and Marinelli would be the 3 I'd sit most. The rest of the lineup would be on a pitch count as well but to a lesser degree. I think Iowas biggest threat to not winning the title this year is injury a/o fatigue from a gruelling season. They are a veteran group, they already know how to wrestle and win. I think they aren't going to get much better by wrestling every match but also don't believe they will become worse by sitting a few out.

I’ve always felt sitting guys to prevent “fatigue” is plain silly, and I seriously doubt any coach is doing that. You go hard for several hours every week in the practice room. One seven minute match isn’t going to wear you out. Iowa’s guys are sitting because they are injured.
 
If this trend of Brands holding out wrestlers continues through December and into the new year, as a PSU fan I'll become a bit more concerned about our chances of catching the Hawks. If I were Brands, my biggest objective would be to head into March as fresh and healthy as possible. Spencer, Kem and Marinelli would be the 3 I'd sit most. The rest of the lineup would be on a pitch count as well but to a lesser degree. I think Iowas biggest threat to not winning the title this year is injury a/o fatigue from a gruelling season. They are a veteran group, they already know how to wrestle and win. I think they aren't going to get much better by wrestling every match but also don't believe they will become worse by sitting a few out.
Great, now a pathetic troll psu fan entirely understands What Iowa needs to do with our guys (this season) to win the title. I still don’t like you, but you are correct here. As Art said it’s not about fatigue it’s about injuries and only getting to peak in March and not about the grind with these vets.
 
I’ve always felt sitting guys to prevent “fatigue” is plain silly, and I seriously doubt any coach is doing that. You go hard for several hours every week in the practice room. One seven minute match isn’t going to wear you out. Iowa’s guys are sitting because they are injured.
Yeah thats cool. But I'll still hold to my opinion.
 
Great, now a pathetic troll psu fan entirely understands What Iowa needs to do with our guys (this season) to win the title. I still don’t like you, but you are correct here. As Art said it’s not about fatigue it’s about injuries and only getting to peak in March and not about the grind with these vets.
Fair enough but to me...it is about fatigue and season ending burnout as well. And sitting matches here and there and giving guys light workout weeks helps with that come March. I've said enough here. Maybe I will come back in March and revisit it. And I most certainly will if PSU wins the title and I see a lot of folks here posting how worn out Hawk wrestlers looked at nationals and not at "peak" which was the case pretty much through Caels 8 national titles run.
 
This many injuries, this early in the season, is a bit of a concern if not alarming. The fact that we always seem to be at the high end, when it comes to the amount of injuries the team deals with every year, also should be looked into.

This is NOT second guessing our coaches who i believe are the best in the business. It is to say, training to be the best every year at the highest level is very difficult in any sport, but in wrestling. It is brutal! Finding good quality information of how they train in the "off" season does not ever seem to be easy.

Also prehab methods as well as rehab methods possibly, could need to be looked into and improved. They will be getting a new facility soon. Will it have state of the art training equipment and equipment for the purposes previously mentioned? Saunas, steam rooms, dry message tables.

Most importantly, do they have the staff with the knowledge to train these young men correctly? From everything I am able to find. Not just on IOWA wrestling by the way, the answer is usually NO! Proper weight training technique is as important as proper wrestling technique! Also a proper program for each wrestler to follow, just as they would in wrestling practices, is important.

I have seen many times kids coming home from college with their "summer work-out programs" and it has made me laugh sometimes, and once was so bad I thought the kid was playing a joke on me. I had a HS national champion who trained with me bring his program from columbia. I upset him when I told him if he wanted my honest opinion, he should get a pet bird and put it in the bottom of the cage!

With the resources most of these schools have, the training should be much superior to what i could ever offer. Using the above, testing for over training, a whole area dedicated to stretching and mobility, use of a pool, list goes on and on. There also should be a nutritionist on staff making a eating plan for each wrestler. Spend the $$$$ wisely, I get a big gaming area with couches and gain TVs gets the OOOs and AAAs, but it will be these things that make a big impact.

just like to add that the reason for what I consider subpar training, facilities, in my opinion, is knowledge/time/money. That is to say, think of the amount of time you spent, or your kid spent, wrestling. How many hours did you spend on the mat? How much drilling, camps, tournaments etc..... How much would you say you learned from the time you started, to the time you finished?

How much better were you, how much more did you know about wrestling? This is the same with weight training! Most think, "just get to the gym" and you can get away with that for a while because almost anything is better then nothing and will work for a short time. Becoming an expert who can really develop true power and superior athletes takes time.

Time to gain that knowledge which usually has to come from another person because the head coaches already have so much to do. That is where money comes in, but I do not believe it is a great deal needed when you look at the overall picture. Bringing in a recent college grad is usually never the answer and just is a quick way to fill a position.
 
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First off I’m not subscribing to the injuries everywhere narrative.

Second, college wrestlers e.g. Jordan Burroughs who wrestle internationally after college, or go to MMA, often talk about the upsides of not having to weigh-in all the time and the grind of the college season.

Iowa, with its depth and balance of line-up, can do it and IMO should do it. Plus who didn’t like watching Brands, Myles the Barbarian and Cobe Siebrecht?
 
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The Health Insurance Portability and Acountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), specifically the Privacy Rule, is designed to protect an individual's privacy. Regarding the NCAA, the athletes past, present, or future health condition is constrained/restricted by HIPAA. Likewise information regarding the treatment of the athlete's heath condition is regulated/restricted by HIPAA.
Me thinks HIPAA is the primary reason so little information is disclosed to the public regarding the health status of NCAA athletes (University of Iowa wrestlers).
I get that, but I dont get no mention of team make-up commentary especially for the first home meet. Gotta have fans. In my own small way I purchased Bt+ for the first time to see as much of these guys as possible while they are still here. Just a little deflating and confusing to not know anything regarding this once in a decade/lifetime line-up. Not really even a criticism on my part as TB has his reasons but success does seem to have some level of PR baggage imo. I'll quit banging the drum now. Go Hawks!
 
First off I’m not subscribing to the injuries everywhere narrative.

Second,

Lee, Murin, Kemmerer, Warner, Assad. Who do you think isn’t nursing an injury?

We know about Lee. Murin has spent a huge amount of time injured. If he wasn’t injured right now, why hasn’t he wrestled at all? Kemmerer has been injured most of his time at Iowa and missed an entire season. We saw Warner get dinged. Assad is the only questionable one, but given that he missed an entire season with an injury, and he just lost to a HS kid, I think we have better explanations than resting him from the grind.
 
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Lee, Murin, Kemmerer, Warner, Assad. Who do you think isn’t nursing an injury?

We know about Lee. Murin has spent a huge amount of time injured. If he wasn’t injured right now, why hasn’t he wrestled at all? Kemmerer has been injured most of his time at Iowa and missed an entire season. We saw Warner get dinged. Assad is the only questionable one, but given that he missed an entire season with an injury, and he just lost to a HS kid, I think we have better explanations than resting him from the grind.

Assad wrestled Friday night. Pinned the guy Wilson later teched.
 
Assad wrestled Friday night. Pinned the guy Wilson later teched.

Forgot that while I was typing. So pretty clear he was not being rested, correct? The other four were almost certainly nursing injuries, not being rested to avoid the grind. So, yes, we are plagued with injuries and, no, this was not a case of keeping guys fresh.
 
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Like I said, I’m not subscribing to the injuries conspiracy narrative. It’s made up bed wetter stuff IMO.

Conspiracy? Again, who of those five starters wasn’t injured? Give us a realistic explanation for each one.
 
Look, I get you have your belief. Put some concrete confirmation to it or accept people are going to disagree. I offered my perspective, TIFWIW.
 
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Like I said, I’m not subscribing to the injuries conspiracy narrative. It’s made up bed wetter stuff IMO.
I don't buy the whole thing either. I'm sure there is an injury or two, but I suspect it would have been a vastly different lineup if PSU was in town.

Is Lee injured? I doubt it. Why would he be?

Assad is not injured.

Brands know this is the big year. This is the year to really put it all together, and maybe break a record. What can stop that is potential injuries. Thus, why wrestle everybody when you know you will beat Princeton?
 
The Health Insurance Portability and Acountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), specifically the Privacy Rule, is designed to protect an individual's privacy. Regarding the NCAA, the athletes past, present, or future health condition is constrained/restricted by HIPAA. Likewise information regarding the treatment of the athlete's heath condition is regulated/restricted by HIPAA.
Me thinks HIPAA is the primary reason so little information is disclosed to the public regarding the health status of NCAA athletes (University of Iowa wrestlers).
And yet injuries in Football and basketball are often explained in minute detail…
 
The Health Insurance Portability and Acountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), specifically the Privacy Rule, is designed to protect an individual's privacy. Regarding the NCAA, the athletes past, present, or future health condition is constrained/restricted by HIPAA. Likewise information regarding the treatment of the athlete's heath condition is regulated/restricted by HIPAA.
Me thinks HIPAA is the primary reason so little information is disclosed to the public regarding the health status of NCAA athletes (University of Iowa wrestlers).
Except that HIPAA doesn't apply to coaches. HIPAA applies to "covered entities" including healthcare providers and healthcare plans. If a wrestler tells his coach about an injury, there is no HIPAA constraint on the coach to not inform the public.

 
I’ve always felt sitting guys to prevent “fatigue” is plain silly, and I seriously doubt any coach is doing that. You go hard for several hours every week in the practice room. One seven minute match isn’t going to wear you out. Iowa’s guys are sitting because they are injured.
You are really going there? That it’s only about the 7 minute match? It’s about the preperation, weight control, tapering for matches, and not doing it every week.
 
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Like I said, I’m not subscribing to the injuries conspiracy narrative. It’s made up bed wetter stuff IMO.

lol nice term. What do we call the “we aren’t wrestling them because we don’t feel like it” or the “these guys are tired and need a break” narratives because they are both so incredibly sensical.


I don't buy the whole thing either. I'm sure there is an injury or two, but I suspect it would have been a vastly different lineup if PSU was in town.

Is Lee injured? I doubt it. Why would he be?

Assad is not injured.

Brands know this is the big year. This is the year to really put it all together, and maybe break a record. What can stop that is potential injuries. Thus, why wrestle everybody when you know you will beat Princeton

So if this the reason why did several starters do wrestle offs, Luther, and the Princeton dual while others did not? Were they not potentially going to get injured as well?

People are trying way too hard here. Why is this any more complex than guys dealing with some short term issues: nagging injuries, illness, returning from offseason surgery, etc.? We’ve seen it many times so why would it be different? That’s far more plausible than some awkward theory that we are protecting healthy athletes from getting hurt.
 
NothingMeaniful: I would argue my case; Clearly the University of Iowa is a recipient of federal funding (medicare/medicaid/et al), and clearly University of Iowa athlete(s) are provided medical treatment by the University of Iowa staff.
The University of Iowa athletic staff/coaches do provide services (coaching) to athletes. Consequently the athletic coaches are acting as an agent of the University. And as a Business Agent of the university, the coaches are subject to regulation by HIPAA.
 
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I’ve always felt sitting guys to prevent “fatigue” is plain silly, and I seriously doubt any coach is doing that. You go hard for several hours every week in the practice room. One seven minute match isn’t going to wear you out. Iowa’s guys are sitting because they are injured.
Depending on how your body and mind handles it's more about weigh ins if the cut is tough. Always thought that contributed to somebody like Joseph (PSU) having limited matches. Cutting is hard especially when you're younger. By far my least favorite aspect of the sport.
 
lol nice term. What do we call the “we aren’t wrestling them because we don’t feel like it” or the “these guys are tired and need a break” narratives because they are both so incredibly sensical.
That’s up to you. Like I said my perspective on the situation is quite different.

Anyway, you made your case and you got my opinion out of it, cheers.
 
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You are really going there? That it’s only about the 7 minute match? It’s about the preperation, weight control, tapering for matches, and not doing it every week.

So it’s not about Spencer’s two ACL’s? Murin is yet to wrestle to avoid weight cuts? same with Kemmerer? Warner needed a rest, he wasn’t hurt at Luther?

It is merely a coincidence that four of the five starters who missed the meet are the ones with obvious injury issues? Seriously?

How do all the others D1 through D3 wrestlers manage to survive such a grinding experience, but the Hawks can’t? You have to have a severely low opinion of our wrestlers and coaches to think this isn’t about injuries.
 
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Look, I get you have your belief. Put some concrete confirmation to it or accept people are going to disagree. I offered my perspective, TIFWIW.
I can concretely confirm that every wrestler that didn't wrestle Friday was going through some form of injury or sickness.

Feel better now?
 
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NothingMeaniful: I would argue my case; Clearly the University of Iowa is a recipient of federal funding (medicare/medicaid/et al), and clearly University of Iowa athlete(s) are provided medical treatment by the University of Iowa staff.
The University of Iowa athletic staff/coaches do provide services (coaching) to athletes. Consequently the athletic coaches are acting as an agent of the University. And as a Business Agent of the university, the coaches are subject to regulation by HIPAA.
Not really.
In fact the NFL requires that teams report injuries.


As long as the athlete approves the release of information, then there is no problem. Even if the athlete did not approve, it is likely that HIPPA still does not apply to the coach.


Ultimately, HIPPA is not the reason brands doesn't release info. He just doesn't want to give any advantage to the other team.
 
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Hawk_82,
Touche'. Excellent article from TSJ. An obvious distinction regarding HIPAA/professional athletes. NCAA institution requesting a HIPAA release from a 18-21 year-old student-athlete, or parent, seems an ethical breach. Seems unlikely and uncommon?
 
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