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Interior Department moves toward federal renaming of Denali and Gulf of Mexico

Don't miss the forest for the trees here. Mount McKinley is pretty straightforward: it was originally named Mount Denali for centuries, then renamed to McKinley in 1917 after a president who had no connection to the mountain, nor had he ever seen it. For years, Native Americans (and us Alaskan residents) wanted it changed back to Denali, but it wasn't until a Republican senator,Lisa Murkowski, pushed for the change that it was officially renamed in 2015.

For 10 years, there was no major uproar or further discussion about it. Then, Trump took office and, despite Alaska being a red state that voted for him, decided out of nowhere to change it back to McKinley. The question is: why? No one on "team red" has answered that. It's pretty clear that it’s out of spite.

If you can’t see how a president acting out of spite from the Oval Office can be damaging, there’s really no point in me trying to explain further. And before you try to deflect with "liberal tears" nonsense, let me clarify: you're talking to a conservative who's never voted for a Democratic president.
All he did was change the name back to what it had been since 1917. If you think that’s “damaging” to the country, then the problem is you. And since you’re a dyed in the wool conservative (supposedly), maybe ask yourself what Rush would think.

Lastly, the people who live along the Gulf Coast seem highly receptive to the idea of “Gulf of America”. Applying your “McKinley” analysis, you should be all for it, right?
 
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All he did was change the name back to what it had been since 1917. If you think that’s “damaging” to the country, then the problem is you. And since you’re a dyed in the wool conservative (supposedly), maybe ask yourself what Rush would think.

Lastly, the people who live along the Gulf Coast seem highly receptive to the idea of “Gulf of America”. Applying your “McKinley” analysis, you should be all for it, right?
Well, in the words of Rico, "every little bit helps". His response to being called out about the LAFD budget being redirected to DEI efforts when the truth turned out to be it was $.00014% of the budget. If Donald Trump is all about trimming costs to the point of standing up the DOGE, then please explain how unnecessarily changing something leads to that effort. If the Democrats are spend spend spend and Obama did this in 2015 and you complained, then you should be equally upset in 2025, no?

The cost of changing the names would, at a minimum, include:

--Reprinting costs for official documents, maps, signage, and other materials across local, state, and federal levels.
--Government administrative costs for legislative action and the work of agencies like the USGS, NPS, and state departments.
--Outreach and education costs to inform the public about the changes.

In your estimate, is this a smart use of government (aka: tax payers) dollars considering Trump's campaign was at least partially built on cutting down government waste?
 
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If you don't think a President making decisions out of spite isn't damaging then the problem, honestly, is you.
You do realize you’re free to call Mt. McKinley whatever you wish, right? No need to be such a drama queen. Now, step outside and scream at the sky. You’ll feel much better. At least until the Redskins change their name back.
 
You do realize you’re free to call Mt. McKinley whatever you wish, right? No need to be such a drama queen. Now, step outside and scream at the sky. You’ll feel much better. At least until the Redskins change their name back.
Deflection is is the only tool available when the inability to provide an informed response occurs. I asked you a very direct question. How is this a good use of government funds when the focus is on cutting out government waste?
 
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You do realize you’re free to call Mt. McKinley whatever you wish, right? No need to be such a drama queen. Now, step outside and scream at the sky. You’ll feel much better. At least until the Redskins change their name back.

Deflection is is the only tool available when the inability to provide an informed response occurs. I asked you a very direct question. How is this a good use of government funds when the focus is on cutting out government waste?
You aren't following along. We are free to call anything whatever we want. There is no longer a need for the government to name locations, monuments, etc. I will now refer to Texas as Liberia because we are free to do that. This is so easy.
 
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This would be great as Musk's first public speech:

Speech from Elon Musk, Secretary of the Department of Government Efficiency:
Ladies and gentlemen, it is an honor to address you today as Secretary of the Department of Government Efficiency. Our mission is clear: to ensure federal resources are used wisely, effectively, and with purpose.

In that spirit, I am announcing the recission of Executive Order 14170. After careful evaluation, our department has determined that continuing to allocate federal funds toward this initiative does not align with our commitment to efficient governance. This decision reflects a broader effort to reduce waste, streamline operations, and focus resources on initiatives that truly benefit the American people. Efficiency is not just about cutting costs—it’s about delivering results.

Together, we will work to build a government that operates as effectively as the most innovative organizations in the world. Thank you, and let’s get to work.
 
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partially agree. i'm not sure trump's doing it to be petty and mean spirited or to insult native alaskans. denali and gulf renaming along with the birthright eo (which likely won't become law) are easy but visible accomplishments to indeed satisfy the white nationalist contingent but the real purpose i think is to generate headroom to pull off more meaningful moves that (without the crumbs of these smaller "wins") would piss off the same white nationalists. i could be wrong but we'll see what trump's got up his sleeve
Trump will never do anything that would piss off white nationalists.
 
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Deflection is is the only tool available when the inability to provide an informed response occurs. I asked you a very direct question. How is this a good use of government funds when the focus is on cutting out government waste?
I did not see your next post. Yes. It is a great use of government funds. We are restoring the good old fashioned red, white, and blue American culture that existed before the PC crowd polluted it. Definitely worth the cost.
 
Deflection is is the only tool available when the inability to provide an informed response occurs. I asked you a very direct question. How is this a good use of government funds when the focus is on cutting out government waste?

One could argue that it sets an important tone, that being the defense of American exceptionalism. The left continously strives to remake America into something that most Americans vehemently reject.
 
One could argue that it sets an important tone, that being the defense of American exceptionalism. The left continously strives to remake America into something that most Americans vehemently reject.
So all Bush needed to do after 9/11 was rename the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America and all our problems would have been solved? Who knew?
 
Elaborate.

--Why is this a "great use of government funds"?
--How is this an efficient use of government funds?
--This is how you prefer to see your tax dollars at work?
We are bringing back a conservative culture that the PC culture has been destroying since the late 70s. That is invaluable. You may not think so, but I and those like me do, and we won. We may or may not be successful, but if we fail, at least we go down swinging.
 
We are bringing back a conservative culture that the PC culture has been destroying since the late 70s. That is invaluable. You may not think so, but I and those like me do, and we won. We may or may not be successful, but if we fail, at least we go down swinging.
I'm laughing hysterically here. Alaska, one of the most conservative states in the country, had been pushing to rename Mt McKinley as Denali for decades. It was Murkowski who convinced Obama to finally do it.

Don't pretend this was some liberal assault.
 
I'm laughing hysterically here. Alaska, one of the most conservative states in the country, had been pushing to rename Mt McKinley as Denali for decades. It was Murkowski who convinced Obama to finally do it.

Don't pretend this was some liberal assault.

To be fair, the only reason Murkowski remains a senator is due to Alaska's rank choice voting. She's not the choice of conservatives.
 
Why is this stupid? Stuff gets renamed all the time. Usually it's your side doing it.
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This would be great as Musk's first public speech:

Speech from Elon Musk, Secretary of the Department of Government Efficiency:
Ladies and gentlemen, it is an honor to address you today as Secretary of the Department of Government Efficiency. Our mission is clear: to ensure federal resources are used wisely, effectively, and with purpose.

In that spirit, I am announcing the recission of Executive Order 14170. After careful evaluation, our department has determined that continuing to allocate federal funds toward this initiative does not align with our commitment to efficient governance. This decision reflects a broader effort to reduce waste, streamline operations, and focus resources on initiatives that truly benefit the American people. Efficiency is not just about cutting costs—it’s about delivering results.

Together, we will work to build a government that operates as effectively as the most innovative organizations in the world. Thank you, and let’s get to work.
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This issue really bothers you.

Why?
Not "bothered" at all. It's a message board. We're having a discussion. Your team claims they want the government to be more efficient and they want to cut down on excess spending. I wholeheartedly agree. In fact, I've posted more than once on how I think that can be implemented with regards to defense contracts. However, when I ask your team point blank how these two acts (Mountain and Gulf) achieves that as opposed to it being the absolute opposite, I get nothing tangible. Do you want to be fiscally responsible or not? You can't have it both ways.
 
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Why do you think it bothered trump so much?
He won't answer. He's indifferent. Meanwhile, the rest of planet earth looks at us shaking their head.

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500 years it's Gulf of Mexico. Trump wakes up and says, Na.

MAGAs:
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Trump's team, "Sir, that Gulf thing was brilliant! Your fans are eating it up, buying t-shirts and everything. What next?" [Trump glances down at a photo of Mt Rushmore]
 
I'm laughing hysterically here. Alaska, one of the most conservative states in the country, had been pushing to rename Mt McKinley as Denali for decades. It was Murkowski who convinced Obama to finally do it.

Don't pretend this was some liberal assault.
Sure as f.uck ain’t conservative if it comes from murkowski. And if it’s considered a slap in the face to her, so much the better.
 
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What frikin' Bullshit, Utterly deplorable:

On his first day in office, President Donald Trump ordered that the federal government revert the name of Denali, a mountain in Alaska, to Mount McKinley and change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.

“As directed by the President, the Gulf of Mexico will now officially be known as the Gulf of America and North America’s highest peak will once again bear the name Mount McKinley. These changes reaffirm the Nation’s commitment to preserving the extraordinary heritage of the United States and ensuring that future generations of Americans celebrate the legacy of its heroes and historic assets,” an Interior Department statement said. “The U.S. Board on Geographic Names, under the purview of the Department of the Interior, is working expeditiously to update the official federal nomenclature in the Geographic Names Information System to reflect these changes, effective immediately for federal use.”
The Interior Department asserted that changing the name of the gulf “affirms its central importance to the Nation” and reverting Denali’s name to Mount McKinley “is a meaningful recognition of President [William] McKinley’s enduring legacy.”
Although the federal government can change what geographic names the United States recognizes, it doesn’t necessarily mean that other countries will recognize those new names.

Why is it deplorable?
 
Why is it deplorable?
It'll be fine. Musk will get this sorted via his new position:

Speech from Elon Musk, Secretary of the DOGE

Ladies and gentlemen, it is an honor to address you today as Secretary of the Department of Government Efficiency. Our mission is clear: to ensure federal resources are used wisely, effectively, and with purpose.

In that spirit, I am announcing the recission of Executive Order 14170. After careful evaluation, our department has determined that continuing to allocate federal funds toward this initiative does not align with our commitment to efficient governance.

This decision reflects a broader effort to reduce waste, streamline operations, and focus resources on initiatives that truly benefit the American people. Efficiency is not just about cutting costs—it’s about delivering results.

Together, we will work to build a government that operates as effectively as the most innovative organizations in the world. Thank you, and let’s get to work.
 
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