Iowa 2017-2018 National Champs

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

125: 1st place Lee
141: 3rd place Lugo
149: 2nd place (or 1st on a good day) Sorensen
157: 1st place Kemerer
165: 3rd place Marinelli
184: 1St place Downey
197: don't even need it, but 3rd place Warner
Hwt: 3rd place Stoll

Iowa 2018 NCAA champs.

Goodnight.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

So many people have already gift wrapped this season to PSU. Make them earn it. I see an Iowa line up capable of winning it, and I think Brands does too with his recent comments regarding Lugo and Downey.

 

[rossel 33]

FLO, not that they're always right, but overall pretty good at rankings, has the Big Ten tourney breakdown for Iowa and PSU placement as follows for all 10 weights:

Iowa - 14,9,9,2,2,7,8,12,4,4
PSU - 13,10,11,1,1,1,1,1,2,3

Not even close. FLO has Iowa finishing 6th in B10 (not using Lee at 125).

I like your scenario better, but realistically a very very long shot. 2018-19 could be another story.

 

[WDuck5217]

125: 1st place Lee
141: 3rd place Lugo
149: 2nd place (or 1st on a good day) Sorensen
157: 1st place Kemerer
165: 3rd place Marinelli
184: 1St place Downey
197: don't even need it, but 3rd place Warner
Hwt: 3rd place Stoll

Iowa 2018 NCAA champs.

Goodnight.

I totally agree vodka. I think some of your projections may be a tad high but I agree with most of them. Young at 74 also has a solid chance to AA. Things are going to have to go right but let's go all in and make Penn State earn it. Go hawks!

 

[LumbeeIndian]

125: 1st place Lee
141: 3rd place Lugo
149: 2nd place (or 1st on a good day) Sorensen
157: 1st place Kemerer
165: 3rd place Marinelli
184: 1St place Downey
197: don't even need it, but 3rd place Warner
Hwt: 3rd place Stoll

Iowa 2018 NCAA champs.

Goodnight.

You drink too much....

And before you say it, I'd normally agree but in this case there really are limits.

 

[who r u]

 

[JohnBasedow]

FLO, not that they're always right, but overall pretty good at rankings, has the Big Ten tourney breakdown for Iowa and PSU placement as follows for all 10 weights:

Iowa - 14,9,9,2,2,7,8,12,4,4
PSU - 13,10,11,1,1,1,1,1,2,3

Not even close. FLO has Iowa finishing 6th in B10 (not using Lee at 125).

I like your scenario better, but realistically a very very long shot. 2018-19 could be another story.

They have Laux and Turk each finishing 9th, Marinelli in 7th and Young in 8th. Those projections are drivel.

 

[1975hawkfan]

The line-up listed at the top of this page is a great line-up but it's still not going to beat Penn State. Your line-up is loaded but it's not good enough plus some of your estimates won't place that high. I don't think Lee will win a title his first go around especially if he wrestle this year. No way Lugo place's third, not going to happen. Sorensen and Kemerer will not finish first, Penn State unfortunately has two super stars. Downey winning is possible but I doubt it but a high finish is definite. Warner getting third probably won't happen his first time out. This is just my guess, I hope i'm way wrong and we have 10 champions! The other bad news is to beat Penn State you'll need at least 20 or more bonus points, that's a killer. Nobody can match their bonus points, you start out way behind at nationals because of this. I hope they prove me wrong.

 

[CumberlandHawk]

They have Laux and Turk each finishing 9th, Marinelli in 7th and Young in 8th. Those projections are drivel.

Turk is really an unknown as far as what will happen. If he can stay healthy he may make a big jump. The Bull and Young with an off-season to bulk up will surprise those outside of Iowa. Young will get respect after this year. These guys may take a lump or 2 early on but they will progress as the season wears on. I cant see a team title but Iowa, assuming no big injuries will far out perform their predictions.

 

[jvclark]

125: 1st place Lee
141: 3rd place Lugo
149: 2nd place (or 1st on a good day) Sorensen
157: 1st place Kemerer
165: 3rd place Marinelli
184: 1St place Downey
197: don't even need it, but 3rd place Warner
Hwt: 3rd place Stoll

Iowa 2018 NCAA champs.

Goodnight.

I might actually be okay sacrificing Lees freshman year without a team title, if I KNEW that Sorenson was going to beat Retherford for the149 title.

Edit: Didn't read it all. And Kemerer beating Nolf.... Ok, now I am in....

 

[TarpHawk]

Unfortunately I don't think we're going to win a title in 2017-18 even with that lineup.

However, I'm warming to the idea of pulling Lee's and perhaps even Warner's redshirt this year (second semester) if Downey is eligible.

Even though we rationally understand that this is a rebuilding year, I'm troubled by the prospect of a sub-6 team finish and the impact that may have on recruiting, fan support, and momentum. (No offense to Perez Perez, but Iowa being down by six points after the first match of every B1G dual is like a rift in the space-time continuum.)

Cael may start three true freshmen next year (Teske @ 125, RBY or Teasdale @ 133, and Beard @ 197).

I'm still on the fence, but now leaning toward putting our best lineup on the mat even if it's just to keep us competitive.

 

[ev_flores0331]

I don't pull for a specific team, but Sorensen is my pick for the biggest upset of the tourney. If he wins and IMar and Zahid pull off upsets (not that far-fetched) then PSU loses a lot of returning points. Especially if IMar and Zahid defeat their Penn State opponents in the semi-finals instead of the finals, right?

 

[Creek Side]

I don't pull for a specific team, but Sorensen is my pick for the biggest upset of the tourney.

 

[AFHawk86]

Thanks Creek for helping everyone visualize why this would be the biggest upset of the tourney. Kudos.

 

[DonHawkeye]

The new stalling call on the top man for having the legs in in the standing postition no matter if they were in before of after a guy stands up makes getting out from under Zain just a little more realistic. That was kind of his go to move if a guy actually was able to get to his feet. He would have lost to the Okie State kid last year if that rule was in place.

 

[Creek Side]

The new stalling call on the top man for having the legs in when a guy stands up makes getting out from under Zain just a little more realistic. That was kind of his go to move if a guy actually was able to get to your feet. He would have lost to the Okie State kid last year if that rule was in place.

I think he was wrestling to his advantage as the rules would allow. I believe he will adapt his ride as needed.

 

[jvclark]

I think he was wrestling to his advantage as the rules would allow. I believe he will adapt his ride as needed.

True. He is a bitch of a ride. But to Don's point, if you don't get to ur feet with Zain riding you, it's typically lights out. Sorensen is good in a sit out position if he can get hand control, but his best option is getting to his feet and getting escape from there

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Edit: Didn't read it all. And Kemerer beating Nolf.... Ok, now I am in....

Kem placed higher than Retherford as freshman. Believe it or not, people get better season to season.

 

[slushhead]

Kem placed higher than Retherford as freshman. Believe it or not, people get better season to season.

Well, the small problem with your analogy is that Logan Stieber >>>> Dylan Palacio, and Mitchell Port >> Tyler Berger.

With all due respect to KemDawg, Retherford was a better freshman. And a true freshman at that.

 

[Knight563]

I'm all in on Kemdog to take out Nolf this year. Don't get me wrong it's going to be close as hell but I'm betting on Kemdog.

 

[JohnBasedow]

I think the matches will be much closer as Kem dog is going to be able to match him physically better than last year. With that being said, I think Sorensen has a better chance of knocking off Zain. I may have my black and gold glasses on but I could see either one pulling it off.

 

[jvclark]

Kem placed higher than Retherford as freshman. Believe it or not, people get better season to season.

?? Yeah I realize that wrestlers get better. But I'm Not sure what ur point here is. I was saying I had missed you placing Kemerer 1st. Which at the least had him finishing ahead of Nolf, even better beating him in the finals.

SO, I was essentially applauding your placings. That all being said, unless Lee has his own personal reasons for not red shirting, being what, 5.5 months removed from surgery? I think he(and warner) should redshirt and we build for the next 4 years.

Take our lumps this year, no matter how much it will suck, but doing so knowing great things are coming

GO HAWKS!!

 

[IowaFan1414]

but Iowa being down by six points after the first match of every B1G dual is like a rift in the space-time continuum.

Very funny, and true.

 

[el dub]

?? Yeah I realize that wrestlers get better. But I'm Not sure what ur point here is. I was saying I had missed you placing Kemerer 1st. Which at the least had him finishing ahead of Nolf, even better beating him in the finals.

SO, I was essentially applauding your placings. That all being said, unless Lee has his own personal reasons for not red shirting, being what, 5.5 months removed from surgery? I think he(and warner) should redshirt and we build for the next 4 years.

Take our lumps this year, no matter how much it will suck, but doing so knowing great things are coming

GO HAWKS!!

Sounds like PSU broke you before the season even started.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

125: 1st place Lee
141: 3rd place Lugo
149: 2nd place (or 1st on a good day) Sorensen
157: 1st place Kemerer
165: 3rd place Marinelli
184: 1St place Downey
197: don't even need it, but 3rd place Warner
Hwt: 3rd place Stoll

Iowa 2018 NCAA champs.

Goodnight.

Get it done.

 

[DayHawk18]

I have a better chance of banging Jennifer Aniston and Demi Lovato at the same time than we do winning a national title this year.

 

[Gebmo]

Sounds like PSU broke you before the season even started.

I don't think that is the case. I see in jvc a pretty positive poster with a touch of reality. Being a lifelong Philly fan I have perfected the art of pessimism. Can't help it. Therefore I truly enjoy the optimism in this thread. I think its healthy and more fun. However, hard to argue with his assessment (especially surgery) from my perspective....though I personally hope Lee goes. Would make for some epic matches.

 

[MSU158]

The even crazier thing is, even if the OP's placings come true, that honestly may not even be enough to win! That is around 140 points. tOSU and PSU can quite easily get to that.

PSU scored 146.5 last season. Now, the OP has Kemerer and Downey winning so that does knock off at least 8 points from last season(Nolf and Nickal both were 1st). Still, even if that puts them down to 138.5, you still most likely get more points from 125-141(4 Gulibon), 197(4 McCutcheon)-285(10 Nevills) than last season. A Cortez-Lee combo should at the least match Gulibon, while McCutcheon AA'ing is hard to deny with how thin 197 is. Worst case scenario for Nevills(excepting injury) is a repeat 5th place.

I understand the gung ho fandom. Iowa can put out a way better line up than most were expecting for this season. However, I think being prudent is best. Think long term. tOSU loses Snyder, NaTo and BoJo. No matter how well they have recruited, that is a major blow. PSU loses Retherford.

Finally, I hate thinking saving the redshirt for possible injuries is a good thing. You can't think that way. I would rather use it to MAKE SURE you are fully recovered from injury/surgery, have fully learned how to manage the student-athlete lifestyle and have fully filled into your weight class.

 

[hogghawk]

I have a better chance of banging Jennifer Aniston and Demi Lovato at the same time than we do winning a national title this year.

The real question is how good will the new team you are rooting for be? You really shouldn't care what our chances are. I do think you got a chance of banging Roseanne and Oprah though.

 

[DayHawk18]

The real question is how good will the new team you are rooting for be? You really shouldn't care what our chances are. I do think you got a chance of banging Roseanne and Oprah though.

You get your panties in a bunch when I bring up a reality. I'm rooting for us to win but realistically we will be in the 3-5 range. That's with Lee winning it, Sorenson and Kem getting 2nd, Bull getting 5th, and PD3 getting 4th. We likely get 3rd with that but Michigan may have 3 finalists with another 4 AA's (with Amine and Pantaleo in the 3rd place match, Beazley and Aboundaer in the 5th place match) that beats us.

Warner isn't getting pulled.

 

[edquinn06]

You get your panties in a bunch when I bring up a reality. I'm rooting for us to win but realistically we will be in the 3-5 range. That's with Lee winning it, Sorenson and Kem getting 2nd, Bull getting 5th, and PD3 getting 4th. We likely get 3rd with that but Michigan may have 3 finalists with another 4 AA's (with Amine and Pantaleo in the 3rd place match, Beazley and Aboundaer in the 5th place match) that beats us.

Warner isn't getting pulled.

I'm hoping Wilcke and Stoll can find the stand also!

 

[Pennstate1985]

The real question is how good will the new team you are rooting for be? You really shouldn't care what our chances are. I do think you got a chance of banging Roseanne and Oprah though.

but no chance with Rosie?

 

[DayHawk18]

I'm hoping Wilcke and Stoll can find the stand also!

I like Wilcke's chances and I'm waiting on Stoll to see if he's healthy

 

[Inspiteofourselves]

I have a better chance of banging Jennifer Aniston and Demi Lovato at the same time than we do winning a national title this year.

Wrong

 

[The Vak]

I don't want to waste a year of Spencer Lee and I don't like the idea of true frosh Spencer Lee vs. RS Senior Nathan Tomasello. I think Spencer is the bigger talent (which is saying something, since NaTo is exceptional), but that's a large physicality difference, plus I'd like to make sure his body is fully healed.

 

[JohnBasedow]

I don't want to waste a year of Spencer Lee and I don't like the idea of true frosh Spencer Lee vs. RS Senior Nathan Tomasello. I think Spencer is the bigger talent (which is saying something, since NaTo is exceptional), but that's a large physicality difference, plus I'd like to make sure his body is fully healed.

There is also the big brother factor that all Hawkeyes have over Nato. It is an inherent trait that occurs when they are wrestling Nato in a big tournament that forces him to fold.

 

[Gobblin]

I don't want to waste a year of Spencer Lee and I don't like the idea of true frosh Spencer Lee vs. RS Senior Nathan Tomasello. I think Spencer is the bigger talent (which is saying something, since NaTo is exceptional), but that's a large physicality difference, plus I'd like to make sure his body is fully healed.

First off, it's laughable that you don't like the idea of Spencer vs Tomasello when he's gonna be clashing heads with the likes of Gilman, Clark, McD, and Brands daily as if they're somehow going to go easier on him than Tomasello would... Spencer has gone toe to toe with the aforementioned quite a bit already and more than held his own... And this was before his surgery and before his added weight and muscle.

Second, it doesn't matter what you think or want as if that isn't blatantly obvious... Do you plan driving to IC with a stethoscope so can "make sure his body is fully healed"?

Third, how would it be possible to ever "waste" a year of Spencer Lee??

Fourth, the last time we went rounds you said you were "done with me", yet here you are again making snide remarks because of your spooky obsession with what I type... Why don't you just click the ignore button and be done with it you giant penis?

Fifth, just out of curiosity did you muster up that hundy to the HWC or WFL that you couldn't afford to pay at the time even though you're some big shot attorney?

All very legit questions...

 

[MSU158]

First off, it's laughable that you don't like the idea of Spencer vs Tomasello when he's gonna be clashing heads with the likes of Gilman, Clark, McD, and Brands daily as if they're somehow going to go easier on him than Tomasello would... Spencer has gone toe to toe with the aforementioned quite a bit already and more than held his own... And this was before his surgery and before his added weight and muscle.

Second, it doesn't matter what you think or want as if that isn't blatantly obvious... Do you plan driving to IC with a stethoscope so can "make sure his body is fully healed"?

Third, how would it be possible to ever "waste" a year of Spencer Lee??

Fourth, the last time we went rounds you said you were "done with me", yet here you are again making snide remarks because of your spooky obsession with what I type... Why don't you just click the ignore button and be done with it you giant penis?

Fifth, just out of curiosity did you muster up that hundy to the HWC or WFL that you couldn't afford to pay at the time even though you're some big shot attorney?

All very legit questions...

Did I miss something? How in the World does his post have ANYTHING to do with you? I would say you look like the one that has an obsession clouding judgement.

 

[The Vak]

First off, it's laughable that you don't like the idea of Spencer vs Tomasello when he's gonna be clashing heads with the likes of Gilman, Clark, McD, and Brands daily as if they're somehow going to go easier on him than Tomasello would... Spencer has gone toe to toe with the aforementioned quite a bit already and more than held his own... And this was before his surgery and before his added weight and muscle.

Second, it doesn't matter what you think or want as if that isn't blatantly obvious... Do you plan driving to IC with a stethoscope so can "make sure his body is fully healed"?

Third, how would it be possible to ever "waste" a year of Spencer Lee??

Fourth, the last time we went rounds you said you were "done with me", yet here you are again making snide remarks because of your spooky obsession with what I type... Why don't you just click the ignore button and be done with it you giant penis?

Fifth, just out of curiosity did you muster up that hundy to the HWC or WFL that you couldn't afford to pay at the time even though you're some big shot attorney?

All very legit questions...

LOL.

Let's address:

1. Huh? Did I say Tomasello was better than Gilman or others in the Iowa room? Way to create a massive strawman and proclaim your victory for knocking it down. Very impressive. There's a difference between the practice room and wrestling actual live matches, which is something you don't seem to grasp. Tomasello is a physical beast. Spencer Lee is an undersized true freshman coming off a torn labrum two years ago and a torn ACL less than a year ago. He's not even medically cleared to go live or even drill and it's October.

2. Oh no, you mean the Brands brothers aren't coming here for advice on how to run the team? I guess we should just shut down the board so you can keep jerking off to the "inside info" you allegedly possess and yet so rarely are able to produce. But keep throwing out vague statements that can sometimes eventually be tied to something that eventually happens, Ms. Cleo.

3. Because Spencer Lee could be the key to 4 straight championship teams and 4 straight individual championships, so I think it's a waste to throw him out there in a year where we have no shot at a team title and where his path to the first title is more difficult than it needs to be.

4. You are the one who has repeatedly claimed you were putting me on ignore, and yet constantly respond, so maybe you could just suck on my giant penis, you weak-willed buffoon? Have you ever heard that "vulgarity is the crutch of the conversational cripple"? No, of course not, that would require a degree of literacy obviously not present in your writing. I have never placed anyone on ignore, nor will I. Opposing view points and trolls, and even fake insiders do not affect my enjoyment of posting on the forums.

5. I said I would pay the $100 by the end of the year. I will. I never said I was a "big shot attorney". I've been very open about the fact that I have worked as a Public Defender for years to qualify for the public loan forgiveness program. But keep shooting your shot, man. Whenever you get into specifics, you are almost always wrong, but perhaps some vague generalities might get you back on track?

 

[The Vak]

There is also the big brother factor that all Hawkeyes have over Nato. It is an inherent trait that occurs when they are wrestling Nato in a big tournament that forces him to fold.

Now this is fair. It was even better watching Clark do it with the bum shoulder/wrist.