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Got a free ticket from a buddy to the UNI/Iowa State game, so went to check them out and the new and improved Jack Trice. I must say the additions they've made look really nice and the atmosphere to start the game was very electric. Iowa State has a really nice venue for football now. I think Iowa fans making the game next week will probably have the same or similar impression.

I think the game next week should be very good and competitive. If Iowa's secondary can hold up against the playmakers ISU has at receiver, and they have some good ones, then I like the Hawkeyes chances. Obviously, turnovers and special teams always factor in, but to me that is the key: Iowa being able to hold up in the secondary, because ISU has more than one legit home-run hitter at wide receiver. With that said, ISU's running game was not good at all, and I would be shocked if they have any success whatsoever against Iowa next week. Also, Richardson looked decent at times, but also looked pretty shaky at times as well. Part of that is a credit to UNI, as they were able to put pressure on him fairly consistently. Richardson, in my opinion, was so-so at being elusive. Iowa State's defense, however, is vastly improved from last year, so Iowa's offense better come ready for a dog fight. I know that's not saying much (ISU's defense improving from last year), but still, their defense is not the same eyesore it was last season.

I really liked what I saw from the Hawks on TV today. I felt the defense was solid all around. The secondary looked good for the most part, the linebackers didn't seem as clueless as they did last season, and the defensive line looked outstanding. I also was VERY impressed with Iowa's offensive line. Even though they outweighed ISU's kids by an average of 30 pds, I still think they looked good in terms of technique and in pass protection. That was my big concern, pass protection, and at least from TV it looked like Beathard had a pretty comfortable pocket the majority of the game. With that said, it did concern me that he didn't seem to be able to find any open receivers down field with all the time he had to throw (I think CJ did an outstanding job of managing the game today, btw). Obviously, TV doesn't allow for a view of what the wide receivers are doing downfield, so my question would be for anyone at the game, were the receivers blanketed that much or was CJ just missing wide open receivers a lot? That would be the one major concern I have with this team right now that seemed to be an issue last year: receivers not getting open. Yes, I know Rudock had a reputation last year for being Captain Checkdown before plays had a chance to develop, but it seemed that today receivers not getting open downfield was an issue given how much time Beathard consistently had to throw.

Anyway, very happy with what I saw today. Hope they continue to build upon a good start and end up somewhere north of 8 wins this season. Obviously with the schedule they have this year, it could easily happen.
 
Fairly accurate analysis, IMO. I think we will see a tight game next week.
 
Got a free ticket from a buddy to the UNI/Iowa State game, so went to check them out and the new and improved Jack Trice. I must say the additions they've made look really nice and the atmosphere to start the game was very electric. Iowa State has a really nice venue for football now. I think Iowa fans making the game next week will probably have the same or similar impression.

I think the game next week should be very good and competitive. If Iowa's secondary can hold up against the playmakers ISU has at receiver, and they have some good ones, then I like the Hawkeyes chances. Obviously, turnovers and special teams always factor in, but to me that is the key: Iowa being able to hold up in the secondary, because ISU has more than one legit home-run hitter at wide receiver. With that said, ISU's running game was not good at all, and I would be shocked if they have any success whatsoever against Iowa next week. Also, Richardson looked decent at times, but also looked pretty shaky at times as well. Part of that is a credit to UNI, as they were able to put pressure on him fairly consistently. Richardson, in my opinion, was so-so at being elusive. Iowa State's defense, however, is vastly improved from last year, so Iowa's offense better come ready for a dog fight. I know that's not saying much (ISU's defense improving from last year), but still, their defense is not the same eyesore it was last season.

I really liked what I saw from the Hawks on TV today. I felt the defense was solid all around. The secondary looked good for the most part, the linebackers didn't seem as clueless as they did last season, and the defensive line looked outstanding. I also was VERY impressed with Iowa's offensive line. Even though they outweighed ISU's kids by an average of 30 pds, I still think they looked good in terms of technique and in pass protection. That was my big concern, pass protection, and at least from TV it looked like Beathard had a pretty comfortable pocket the majority of the game. With that said, it did concern me that he didn't seem to be able to find any open receivers down field with all the time he had to throw (I think CJ did an outstanding job of managing the game today, btw). Obviously, TV doesn't allow for a view of what the wide receivers are doing downfield, so my question would be for anyone at the game, were the receivers blanketed that much or was CJ just missing wide open receivers a lot? That would be the one major concern I have with this team right now that seemed to be an issue last year: receivers not getting open. Yes, I know Rudock had a reputation last year for being Captain Checkdown before plays had a chance to develop, but it seemed that today receivers not getting open downfield was an issue given how much time Beathard consistently had to throw.

Anyway, very happy with what I saw today. Hope they continue to build upon a good start and end up somewhere north of 8 wins this season. Obviously with the schedule they have this year, it could easily happen.
For the most part the recceivers were covered very well down field and seemed to have trouble creating seperation. It appeared that today the team was focused on taking advantage of the size difference in the run game and short passing routes. The WR's spent a large part of the day blocking downfield for those two things, so the lack of deep throws did not hurt us. I would expect short routes, wheel routes and rub routes next week.
 
For the most part the recceivers were covered very well down field and seemed to have trouble creating seperation. It appeared that today the team was focused on taking advantage of the size difference in the run game and short passing routes. The WR's spent a large part of the day blocking downfield for those two things, so the lack of deep throws did not hurt us. I would expect short routes, wheel routes and rub routes next week.
Huh-huh, huh-huh-huh....you said "rub".
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We could have won 56-0 and ISU could have lost by a few TD's and I still wouldn't feel good about this game. I've seen too many horrible ISU teams beat good Iowa teams to be counting on a win, especially in Ames. I'd say it's a toss-up at best for the Hawks. As usual, though, we'll be favored, and that will mean absolutely nothing.
 
We could have won 56-0 and ISU could have lost by a few TD's and I still wouldn't feel good about this game. I've seen too many horrible ISU teams beat good Iowa teams to be counting on a win, especially in Ames. I'd say it's a toss-up at best for the Hawks. As usual, though, we'll be favored, and that will mean absolutely nothing.

Everything you typed is spot on. But, gulp, this ISU team isn't horrible. Maybe that will help us somehow, I don't know. In the past I really do believe the Hawks thought putting the uniform on ensured a victory. They didn't have any emotion or any fight, and when punched in the mouth they still didn't find it. I think KF understands the importance this year, so while that doesn't mean Iowa wins, it should at least mean the team is ready to go.
 
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The receivers were covered well downfield, but it didn't seem like they were doing much to help CJ out if their initial routes were covered. There was one time I think it was Hillyer appeared to be wide open in the north endzone and CJ threw it out of bounds instead. I might have been hallucinating from the heat though. One big difference this year is we had blockers downfield on short pass plays and run plays.
 
UNI might not be the best measuring stick for the Clones. UNI's biggest studs from last year graduated, there's a new OC supposedly installing a new system, their new O-line coach has only been on the job a few weeks, and their Illini transfer QB looked like he'd never seen a football before Monday. Had their offense been able to keep their defense off the field longer, it might have been a different game.

Even so, anything is possible for this game, as we all know.
 
Couldn't believe UNI started Bailey over Kollmorgen, but in the end it doesn't matter. It'll be a close uncomfortable game like every year.
 
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OP seems fairly accurate to me. My biggest concern about ISU was the failure of receivers to get open. Sam had plenty of time to throw, but either nobody was open or he couldn't see them. ISU squandered numerous opportunities. Cyclones were missing their best OL, who tweaked a knee in pre-game warmups and is "day to day." The new running backs look very promising. There were no set running plays for Richardson, IMHO, which is a big change from previous years. Netten missed two field goals from the 20, but that's atypical so I'm not too concerned about it.

The defense is vastly better than last year. Also different, using a 3-4 set. They hadn't prepared for a running quarterback, and Bailey is a good one. He turned third-and-long situations into first downs on numerous occasions in the first half.

The stadium renovation is an A-plus. Doesn't look like they just tacked on an addition; looks like a regular horseshoe stadium.

The scores of both games were misleading. Iowa dominated more than the score would indicate, and the ISU-UNI game was much closer than the score would indicate. The Panthers had an absolutely horrible night on special teams, giving up nearly 200 yards in punt returns. Virtually the whole game was played on their side of the field. Also, both UNI and ISU looked like they were playing their first game, with numerous penalties and mental mistakes, while Iowa appeared to be in mid-season form in those respects.

I have no idea what's going to happen next Saturday.
 
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Congrats on your upgrade to the horse shoe.. I've heard great things about the new addition!
 
I'm taking my observations and analysis with a grain of salt. My opinions are based strictly on what I saw as "potential" for both teams, as neither UNI or Illinois State is a good measuring stick for the quality of opponents both ISU and Iowa will be playing down the road. (Obviously, there is little doubt ISU has the stronger schedule, but that's not the point.)

From what I saw Saturday night, ISU left a lot of points on the field in the first half due to shooting themselves in the foot with penalties, missed FGs, and a turnover (yes, all part of the game). I think for the most part Iowa dominated Illinois State while the 1st string was in. The point I'm making is both teams showed signs of vast improvement from last year. I think we Hawkeyes fans should feel really good about our 1st string quarterback this season (no, not trying to reference or allude to in any way the QB controversy of last season, the comment is strictly about this current season) and the concerns about the offensive line have at the very least been somewhat alleviated, assuming they will continue to improve and gel as the season goes on. Also, I'm pretty impressed with the defense and think there is reason to believe they should be competitive in every game. ( I will also mention I think having the offense sustain more drives this year, keeping the defense off the field all the time, will be a significant help as well). From Iowa State's standpoint, I would think they would be happy with the progress of the defense and like what they see in terms of the offense having big play potential. Both teams have weaknesses they need to address.

In short, while certain positions obviously stand out for both teams in terms of having an advantage on paper (ISU's receivers are better i.e), I think for the most part it is splitting hairs in terms of the overall talent for both teams. Thus, as many have stated, there really is no way to predict an outcome for next Saturday's game (which is often true in rivalry games anyway). My guess, and it is obviously biased, Iowa will come in with the mental edge in terms of being focused and wanting to avenge last year's debacle, and will play a solid game. I see Iowa shutting down ISU's run game and getting pressure on Richardson, forcing a couple turnovers. I see Iowa opening it up more down field, being able to establish the run as the game goes on, and the difference being CJ Beathard's play making ability with both his arm and his legs. (I just love the poise I saw from CJ yesterday). Iowa State is obviously going to make big plays too with their wide receivers. In short, no, there is no way to predict the outcome Saturday. But from an Iowa standpoint, they need to win this game. And I'm hoping that is what makes the difference. Best wishes to both teams after Saturday. Go Hawkeyes!
 
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I get the feeling that ISU has a solid team this year, certainly comparable and perhaps better (we'll find out soon enough) than Iowa's. This might be the first time I won't be livid if Iowa doesn't pull it out because I see ISU having a decent season this year.

Ott had a great day against the Redbirds but he isn't likely to dominate against the Clones. I have no idea why Spack didn't use a FB or TE to double/chip Ott but Rhoads will have a plan to neutralize him. So the heat on Richardon will be intermittent. ISU's receivers are good, so our lbs aren't about to crowd the los. All in all, expect the clones to put up a decent score, let's say in the 24-28 range.

On offense, despite all the kudos sent CJ's way, he wasn't Mr Automatic yesterday by any means. A 15/31 completion rate is ok if it generates 200+ yards but he took a lot of hits to making those completions. On the screen to Canzeri, he made a great play but was absolutely brutalized after release. Also, there were no completions to receivers in stride and that worries me. His composure and presence though were an unmistakable improvement from recent times. Finally, the running game -- it worked against a small DL but I don't recall many off-tackle runs for any distance...in fact, the rush game when it worked looked like vintage Wisconsin-- have we incorporated elements of inside power running?

Despite Iowa posting a comfortable win for a change, it's difficult to identify any unit that has the advantage against Clones. It will be a tough one as usual with the difference that this year the Clones will post a decent record.
 
I am hoping we see some nickel coverage next week. I know we are more athletic at LB this year than last year, but I have seen too many quick slot receivers burn LBs in their zone coverage. My biggest pet peeve of our defense (and I don't have many, love our potential on D this year) is that we have failed to match up our personnel on defense with 4 WR sets. I'm talking about our defense historically, not this season.
 
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In terms of Ott, I agree ISU will most likely game plan to neutralize him. However, I thought many other defensive lineman did a good job of getting off blocks and generating pressure yesterday, it's just they were clearly overshadowed by Ott's dominant performance. I still think Ott will be able to cause problems.

I'm wondering how much of a lack of a vertical threat downfield yesterday was due to inadequate speed/skill at wideout and Iowa holding back a little bit on the game plan to not let Iowa State have something extra to prep for this week. As other posters have mentioned, a lot of the focus seemed to be on wide receivers blocking in the short, quick-hitting passing game. I understand we are talking about a KF/GD offense, but it seems many years Iowa starts the season very vanilla at the beginning against an inferior opponent and then adds more wrinkles and tries more dynamic plays as the season progresses. Obviously, getting players comfortable and back in game mode is part of the holding back mentality for a first game too.

My point about CJ is that he managed the game well. I wasn't expecting him to put up gaudy numbers yesterday. What I think most people wanted to see from him yesterday is that he can make good decisions and not get stuck in a gunslinger mentality. The arm strength is there and of course extending plays or making plays with his legs are there too. Yesterday, he stayed within himself, made good decisions, and threw the football away when necessary. I like CJ's upside and think he will have a good season.

The running game yesterday was a good first step forward. At this point, that's all it is. Again, I've put everything in terms of "potential." L. Daniels and Canzeri are not game breakers by any stretch of the imagination, but either was Adam Robinson when Iowa had a great 2009 season. Plus, no disrespect to MW, but they are an upgrade at that position. Again, if the offensive line continues to improve and gel the running game should be respectable.

Yes, of course my points are filtered through a more optimistic lens, as opposed to a mere pessimistic one, but nothing I've shared is completely unrealistic or impossible. Yes, time will tell how the season unfolds, but hey, at this point, I'm thinking Iowa is due for a decent year. They certainly have a favorable schedule. I would also add too, in terms of next week, ISU has plenty of things they need to work on as well, which seems to get overlooked by the prognosticators forecasting certain doom and gloom for the Hawkeyes next week. Shocking, I know, but Iowa State is very beatable. Of course, so are the Hawkeyes. Next week should be interesting.
 
Who can tell me about the tackle that Iowa State will trot out to "neutralize" Drew Ott. What is his name and how big and fast is he? What year is he?. Any post season honors? I confess to knowing zero about the ISU offensive line in 2015.
 
Who can tell me about the tackle that Iowa State will trot out to "neutralize" Drew Ott. What is his name and how big and fast is he? What year is he?. Any post season honors? I confess to knowing zero about the ISU offensive line in 2015.
JP Philbert or Jake Campos. Ott will likely struggle...sorry to break the news.
 
Who can tell me about the tackle that Iowa State will trot out to "neutralize" Drew Ott. What is his name and how big and fast is he? What year is he?. Any post season honors? I confess to knowing zero about the ISU offensive line in 2015.

Probably philbert. Physical mean big but a juco who would not be starting if the o line was healthy.
 
We need to get lots of pressure on Robertson - get him rattled, making bad throws, interceptions and fumbles! Which we did not get yesterday! I think the offense will be ok - same plan - with the occasional deep throw and QB runs on 1st down. Would like to see the jet sweep !!
 
Who can tell me about the tackle that Iowa State will trot out to "neutralize" Drew Ott. What is his name and how big and fast is he? What year is he?. Any post season honors? I confess to knowing zero about the ISU offensive line in 2015.
They will put a TE next to that tackle or have a RB help him out.
 
JP Philbert or Jake Campos. Ott will likely struggle...sorry to break the news.

Why will he "likely" struggle? It's not like yesterday was Ott's first rodeo. Ott is good and he played well all of last season. You make it seem like JP Philbert or Jake Campos is the second coming of Robert Gallery.
 
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This is an important game. If ISU wins, they will have won 4 of the last 5. That is hard for me to comprehend, but there is a decent chance of it happening.
 
In terms of Ott, I agree ISU will most likely game plan to neutralize him. However, I thought many other defensive lineman did a good job of getting off blocks and generating pressure yesterday, it's just they were clearly overshadowed by Ott's dominant performance. I still think Ott will be able to cause problems.

I'm wondering how much of a lack of a vertical threat downfield yesterday was due to inadequate speed/skill at wideout and Iowa holding back a little bit on the game plan to not let Iowa State have something extra to prep for this week. As other posters have mentioned, a lot of the focus seemed to be on wide receivers blocking in the short, quick-hitting passing game. I understand we are talking about a KF/GD offense, but it seems many years Iowa starts the season very vanilla at the beginning against an inferior opponent and then adds more wrinkles and tries more dynamic plays as the season progresses. Obviously, getting players comfortable and back in game mode is part of the holding back mentality for a first game too.

My point about CJ is that he managed the game well. I wasn't expecting him to put up gaudy numbers yesterday. What I think most people wanted to see from him yesterday is that he can make good decisions and not get stuck in a gunslinger mentality. The arm strength is there and of course extending plays or making plays with his legs are there too. Yesterday, he stayed within himself, made good decisions, and threw the football away when necessary. I like CJ's upside and think he will have a good season.

The running game yesterday was a good first step forward. At this point, that's all it is. Again, I've put everything in terms of "potential." L. Daniels and Canzeri are not game breakers by any stretch of the imagination, but either was Adam Robinson when Iowa had a great 2009 season. Plus, no disrespect to MW, but they are an upgrade at that position. Again, if the offensive line continues to improve and gel the running game should be respectable.

Yes, of course my points are filtered through a more optimistic lens, as opposed to a mere pessimistic one, but nothing I've shared is completely unrealistic or impossible. Yes, time will tell how the season unfolds, but hey, at this point, I'm thinking Iowa is due for a decent year. They certainly have a favorable schedule. I would also add too, in terms of next week, ISU has plenty of things they need to work on as well, which seems to get overlooked by the prognosticators forecasting certain doom and gloom for the Hawkeyes next week. Shocking, I know, but Iowa State is very beatable. Of course, so are the Hawkeyes. Next week should be interesting.
I've given up on the thought of KF holding back or going vanilla with the offense. I thought like that for too many years and don't remember it ever being a factor. I think the team just gets spoon fed so much and when it appears they can take that next baby step he gives them a little more.
 
I think Iowa takes care of business this week. Ferentz I think has got the message of Hawkeye fans dissatisfaction, the fake field goal attempt as evidence. Also knowing about Hawk fans dissatisfaction with his recent ISU record I think they will be ready to play. Everyone panicked when Boone Meyers was eaten alive by Ott, as was Illinois State's tackle. Ott is that good. ISU will try and block him with just the tackle, and if that fails will leave a TE or back in to help. That helps the hawks because they have one less receiver out in the route, so Ott wins again if he is tying up two players. I doubt Iowa showed any more then they had to last week. Yes, this is Iowa State's super bowl, but I have a different feeling about Ferentz this season, a feeling of urgency that I haven't felt before. Hawks win, 34-17
 
Because the true rival for isu is ....

(Think before you post. It will save you so much embarrassment.)
It is not about any rival. The state of Iowa just does not produce enough D1 players. ISU is only going to grow the fan base as the enrollment disparity between the schools continues to widen. ISU needs to play teams from more fertile recruiting areas to support the growing fan base.
 
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I figured the clowns would lose to UNI, then beat us. But since they already got their one win, I'm confident we got this one.
 
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It is not about any rival. The state of Iowa just does not produce enough D1 players. ISU is only going to grow the fan base as the enrollment disparity between the schools continues to widen. ISU needs to play teams from more fertile recruiting areas to support the growing fan base.

Sure... that explains why isu has a total of what, a half dozen or so recruits from all around the country verbally committed for 2016 and beyond.

It is about rivalries and outside of the Iowa Hawks, isu has none in football. There is not another team that isu can legitimately state is a rival. Has zero to do with how many D1 players there are in Iowa. We heard from YOU that isu would have a well defined and developed pipeline in place by now to such places as Texas, Florida, the west coast... Another year has gone by and there not only are not pipelines, there is barely a drop left in the spigot.

isu is an afterthought to most recruits. They even say as much when someone bothers to pay close attention. The fact that there are no annual marquee games with anyone other than Iowa is a shame, but it is a shame that belongs entirely to isu. Take away the Iowa (and, to an extent, the UNI matchups) and what have you got? What you do not have is the majority of sold out venues for football games in Ames, Iowa over that last four decades. That is pathetic.

Keep trying to convince yourself that Iowa does not matter to isu. It is so very comical and entertaining to watch your annual ritual into embarrassment.
 
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Sure... that explains why isu has a total of what, a half dozen or so recruits from all around the country verbally committed for 2016 and beyond.

It is about rivalries and outside of the Iowa Hawks, isu has none in football. There is not another team that isu can legitimately state is a rival. Has zero to do with how many D1 players there are in Iowa. We heard from YOU that isu would have a well defined and developed pipeline in place by now to such places as Texas, Florida, the west coast... Another year has gone by and there not only are not pipelines, there is barely a drop left in the spigot.

isu is an afterthought to most recruits. They even say as much when someone bothers to pay close attention. The fact that there are no annual marquee games with anyone other than Iowa is a shame, but it is a shame that belongs entirely to isu. Take away the Iowa (and, to an extent, the UNI matchups) and what have you got? What you do not have is the majority of sold out venues for football games in Ames, Iowa over that last four decades. That is pathetic.

Keep trying to convince yourself that Iowa does not matter to isu. It is so very comical and entertaining to watch your annual ritual into embarrassment.
You are living in a dream from long ago. ISU has top notch facilities and a strong fan base that is growing at a much faster pace than Iowa. If it helps you sleep better, believe what you want.
 
You are living in a dream from long ago. ISU has top notch facilities and a strong fan base that is growing at a much faster pace than Iowa. If it helps you sleep better, believe what you want.
Yes you don't need Iowa but are telling us on an Iowa board - kind of interesting from my perspective. I've never posted or been on an ISU board - maybe there aren't any so that's why you post here. But as big as ISU is becoming I'm sure there are hundreds of them, so why would you be here? Hmmm
 
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You are living in a dream from long ago. ISU has top notch facilities and a strong fan base that is growing at a much faster pace than Iowa. If it helps you sleep better, believe what you want.

isu's facitlities do not compare with what Iowa has just completed in its football complex. Again, I suggest you take a break from your tired and well worn out 'if it helps you sleep...' mantra and pay some attention to the realities that are occurring in recruiting for 2016 and beyond. Other programs are well underway in securing those recruits while isu is languishing in some sort of limbo where they cannot even get verbal commitments for next years class. If isu facilities are so superior, where are the rewards as evidenced by recruiting?

Strong fan base? Please. How many times has this strong and rapidly growing fan base sold out Jack Trice in the past say... forty years or so? How many of those ever so loyal fans remained in the venue for the second half of the Oklahoma game last fall? Where do all of these one of a kind fans for isu disappear to when the big xii season rolls around each and every year? Show me every game that has been duly recorded a sell out in Jack Trice and we will both count on one hand the number of times it involved a conference opponent.

You better hope and pray that the most fragile of the power five conferences finds a way to stay intact because if the cards ever do fall completely, it is just as likely that isu with your fantasized great facilities and bestest fans in the whole wide world will be standing on the outside looking in instead of the other way around.
 
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Yes you don't need Iowa but are telling us on an Iowa board - kind of interesting from my perspective. I've never posted or been on an ISU board - maybe there aren't any so that's why you post here. But as big as ISU is becoming I'm sure there are hundreds of them, so why would you be here? Hmmm
It is because some of you are easy marks and it the week that the teams play. If you want to avoid being called out on foolish statements, then pay the subscription for the premium board and stroke folks of similar delusion.
 
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It is because some of you are easy marks and it the week that the teams play. If you want to avoid being called out on foolish statements, then pay the subscription for the premium board and stroke folks of similar delusion.


Oh, so we can set out clocks now to know that you will soon be on Toledo's board? Speak of foolish.
 
Oh, so we can set out clocks now to know that you will soon be on Toledo's board? Speak of foolish.
Nope, there just happens to be folks around here that are fun to call out because they live in a bubble when it comes to reality. My guess is that many never set foot on campus in Iowa City with the intent of being educated by the U.
 
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