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Iowa and Iowa State thoughts

Immediately after the game, there was a tweet from Brian Ferentz. It reflected something I saw yesterday from the Hawks that has been missing. If we get it next Saturday, we win.

Brian Ferentz: "We will stay on the attack. Stay with us!"

That is the key. Abandoning passive play and staying on the damn attack.
 
It is because some of you are easy marks and it the week that the teams play. If you want to avoid being called out on foolish statements, then pay the subscription for the premium board and stroke folks of similar delusion.
What foolish statement are you calling me out on? I'm pretty sure you post here other than Iowa game week and foolish / delusional would describe some of the posts. I will venture a guess this is the highlight of your day. In all seriousness - that's sad. I hope things change or get better for you. If the Hawks lose this week I will take solace that you will feel good vs. how you may react to a loss. Remember it's a game and you don't need our approval.
 
isu's facitlities do not compare with what Iowa has just completed in its football complex. Again, I suggest you take a break from your tired and well worn out 'if it helps you sleep...' mantra and pay some attention to the realities that are occurring in recruiting for 2016 and beyond. Other programs are well underway in securing those recruits while isu is languishing in some sort of limbo where they cannot even get verbal commitments for next years class. If isu facilities are so superior, where are the rewards as evidenced by recruiting?

Strong fan base? Please. How many times has this strong and rapidly growing fan base sold out Jack Trice in the past say... forty years or so? How many of those ever so loyal fans remained in the venue for the second half of the Oklahoma game last fall? Where do all of these one of a kind fans for isu disappear to when the big xii season rolls around each and every year? Show me every game that has been duly recorded a sell out in Jack Trice and we will both count on one hand the number of times it involved a conference opponent.

You better hope and pray that the most fragile of the power five conferences finds a way to stay intact because if the cards ever do fall completely, it is just as likely that isu with your fantasized great facilities and bestest fans in the whole wide world will be standing on the outside looking in instead of the other way around.

Wow 5Fan5 now you are on this thread running your mouth. Don't you have anything better to do?
 
JP Philbert or Jake Campos. Ott will likely struggle...sorry to break the news.

Ott will slap around anyone isu trots out there. isu's best bet is to roll out opposite of Drew and hope he doesn't chase Sammy boy down.
 
What foolish statement are you calling me out on? I'm pretty sure you post here other than Iowa game week and foolish / delusional would describe some of the posts. I will venture a guess this is the highlight of your day. In all seriousness - that's sad. I hope things change or get better for you. If the Hawks lose this week I will take solace that you will feel good vs. how you may react to a loss. Remember it's a game and you don't need our approval.
Whatever Cowboy, just fun to call out.
 
Clown fans are comical. They must realize it (but never admit) that without Iowa teams to play that their attendance would be baaaad. Yes, they certainly do need us more than we need them. I think the series should be revised, for instance, play them every two or three out of four years, and have two out of three games in Kinnick. I know they would balk at that, but if Iowa administration said "take it our leave it", ISU would take it.
 
Clown fans are comical. They must realize it (but never admit) that without Iowa teams to play that their attendance would be baaaad. Yes, they certainly do need us more than we need them. I think the series should be revised, for instance, play them every two or three out of four years, and have two out of three games in Kinnick. I know they would balk at that, but if Iowa administration said "take it our leave it", ISU would take it.

Of course isu needs Iowa more than the other way around. We gave them more money in the past on the football contracts because we felt sorry they had to dump Baseball and Men's Gymnastics. We were going to have a bake sale but felt that was going a bit far.
 
Clown fans are comical. They must realize it (but never admit) that without Iowa teams to play that their attendance would be baaaad. Yes, they certainly do need us more than we need them. I think the series should be revised, for instance, play them every two or three out of four years, and have two out of three games in Kinnick. I know they would balk at that, but if Iowa administration said "take it our leave it", ISU would take it.
I think maybe you should look in the mirror after drawing 59K for Illinois State where a large portion of the U of I student population comes from. ISU just opened an expanded stadium that sold out the 1st two games. I am all for cancelling the series with Iowa. ISU gets very little from it.
 
I think maybe you should look in the mirror after drawing 59K for Illinois State where a large portion of the U of I student population comes from. ISU just opened an expanded stadium that sold out the 1st two games. I am all for cancelling the series with Iowa. ISU gets very little from it.

isu loses their identity without Big Bro. The only reason isu has 61,500 for the first two games is Pollards mini-packs. Care to bet who ends up with more attendance this year Iowa or little bro? I will give you the same offer. I get Iowa and will pay the fee's. How much gonna cry? $5k or more?

This will be fun.
 
I get the feeling that ISU has a solid team this year, certainly comparable and perhaps better (we'll find out soon enough) than Iowa's. This might be the first time I won't be livid if Iowa doesn't pull it out because I see ISU having a decent season this year.

Ott had a great day against the Redbirds but he isn't likely to dominate against the Clones. I have no idea why Spack didn't use a FB or TE to double/chip Ott but Rhoads will have a plan to neutralize him. So the heat on Richardon will be intermittent. ISU's receivers are good, so our lbs aren't about to crowd the los. All in all, expect the clones to put up a decent score, let's say in the 24-28 range.

On offense, despite all the kudos sent CJ's way, he wasn't Mr Automatic yesterday by any means. A 15/31 completion rate is ok if it generates 200+ yards but he took a lot of hits to making those completions. On the screen to Canzeri, he made a great play but was absolutely brutalized after release. Also, there were no completions to receivers in stride and that worries me. His composure and presence though were an unmistakable improvement from recent times. Finally, the running game -- it worked against a small DL but I don't recall many off-tackle runs for any distance...in fact, the rush game when it worked looked like vintage Wisconsin-- have we incorporated elements of inside power running?

Despite Iowa posting a comfortable win for a change, it's difficult to identify any unit that has the advantage against Clones. It will be a tough one as usual with the difference that this year the Clones will post a decent record.


CJ wasn't 15/31. He was 15/24. Pretty big difference.

Also, bringing in a second player to double Ott comes at a cost. It's not occurring in a vacuum. That either frees up another player on the blitz, or provides another defender back covering their WR's. Either way. Ott's presence has a huge effect.
 
I think maybe you should look in the mirror after drawing 59K for Illinois State where a large portion of the U of I student population comes from. ISU just opened an expanded stadium that sold out the 1st two games. I am all for cancelling the series with Iowa. ISU gets very little from it.

Most of Iowa's students come from Bloomington, IL?
 
Why will he "likely" struggle? It's not like yesterday was Ott's first rodeo. Ott is good and he played well all of last season. You make it seem like JP Philbert or Jake Campos is the second coming of Robert Gallery.
I was having a little fun with you guys.

But seriously, I realize Ott is a stud. I also read that Ott was going up against an Illinois State tackle in his first start on an FCS team. Did this new guy make Ott look a little better because of it? Iowa State's tackles are experienced and pretty decent, although certainly not all-world. Not saying Ott won't disrupt a few plays in the backfield, but I don't believe he'll be a major factor like he was, for example, against your young and inexperienced tackles in the Iowa scrimmage a few weeks ago.
 
Cloneswithasigh - you can't be that dumb to not realize that a new stadium upgrade combined with cheap ticket packages and playing UNI & Iowa are what briefly will bump up isu attendance. You sound like MN gopher fans that initially were all excited about their new little stadium and attendance numbers, but now those #;s are down despite having a better program (which is better than iswhos). My reasoning for Iowa reducing the isu series and/or playing most games in Kinnick is to hurt isu finances.
 
Jason33 - are the isu o-line tackles really that good?
Fair question.

Jake Campos started at left tackle yesterday. RS sophomore, Rivals 4* and top recruit in Iowa a couple years ago out of West Des Moines - Valley high school. He started most of last year as a RS Freshmen, so he's got some experience. The "experts" all say he's a legit NFL type of talent if he continues to develop with experience. He appears to be living up to his 4* rating. We all know that doesn't always happen.

RS Senior Brock Dagel started at RT yesterday. Lots of experience playing at both LT and RT. Haven't heard any talk of him being NFL material, but he played well against UNI. Dagel is considered to be a "solid" right tackle, and not a weak link or liability at the position.

RS Sophomore and JUCO transfer JP Philbert played a bunch last night at left tackle after the coaches slid Campos over to right tackle. It appears this switch wasn't due to RT Dagel getting hurt, since Dagel came back in later in the game to let Philbert rest after a leg cramp. It appears as though Philbert has proven to match the considerable hype that he generated with his early signing with ISU this winter. Indications are Philbert has ostensibly beaten out a decent 5th year tackle (Dagel). We look at this as a positive for ISU.

I hope we can neutralize Ott without having to double team him....we'll find out soon enough.
 
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I get the feeling that ISU has a solid team this year, certainly comparable and perhaps better (we'll find out soon enough) than Iowa's. This might be the first time I won't be livid if Iowa doesn't pull it out because I see ISU having a decent season this year.

Ott had a great day against the Redbirds but he isn't likely to dominate against the Clones. I have no idea why Spack didn't use a FB or TE to double/chip Ott but Rhoads will have a plan to neutralize him. So the heat on Richardson will be intermittent.
A few things they could do to neutralize Ott. The short passing game, obviously. Those quick hitters and slants and pitch-outs to the WRs in the flats take away the pass rush because the ball is out in 2 seconds or less and it basically becomes 4 on 7 or 5 on 7 depending on if ISU goes empty or has a RB. And if you're going to one side that basically cuts the defense in half in terms of being able to react to the initial pass. It then falls on the DBs and LBs in coverage to make plays/break up passes at some point before the opponent reaches the endzone......

Another would be the screen to the RB that Illinois State liked to run. The only danger of that is that if a team reads it well, they can blow it up in the backfield, and you risk the possibility of Ott pulling a Christian Ballard and picking the ball off. Ott does have a blocked punt return for a TD in his career. It'd be nice if he could add to that before his senior season ends. :cool:

Lastly, ISU could just simply run away from Ott like scared little babies, just like a lot of teams did with Clayborn (yes, it's smart football but I'll make fun of them anyway because I can :D). He bullrushed right by the Illinois State OTs early and often, but what that also creates is a lane to step up in the pocket or a hole for the RB if the rest of the DL/LBs do not adjust their containment. Or they could also just more often than not attack Meier and Bazata and see if they're capable of making the Cyclones think twice about picking on them.
 
I am all for cancelling the series with Iowa. ISU gets very little from it.
You should probably talk to your university about that. They don't seem to think so. In fact they'd be raging up a storm in the state's capital if Iowa threatened to halt the series before the current contract expires.

Too much pride at ISU to let the Iowa series go. Deal with it.
 
Cloneswithasigh - you can't be that dumb to not realize that a new stadium upgrade combined with cheap ticket packages and playing UNI & Iowa are what briefly will bump up isu attendance. You sound like MN gopher fans that initially were all excited about their new little stadium and attendance numbers, but now those #;s are down despite having a better program (which is better than iswhos). My reasoning for Iowa reducing the isu series and/or playing most games in Kinnick is to hurt isu finances.
And that is where you don't seem to have a clue. ISU does not need Iowa on the schedule and certainly being from a P5 conference that does quite well financially, ISU should look South and West to replace Iowa on the schedule.
 
And that is where you don't seem to have a clue. ISU does not need Iowa on the schedule and certainly being from a P5 conference that does quite well financially, ISU should look South and West to replace Iowa on the schedule.
That's not gonna help you get to a bowl game though.......
 
Umm, well because that's one less win you're potentially getting, of course......

You have some success against Iowa annually. Why trade that for a random unknown P5 team you'll probably lose to? Okay okay okay you got me.........you will lose to.

Iowa State has averaged 4.5 wins over the last 10 and 20 years and Rhoads is only slightly better at 4.8 in his 6 years in Ames. Giving up the Iowa game for a game you're potentially less likely to sell out on (not speaking of tickets), especially with your fanbase (still not speaking of tickets), is not going to improve that average.

Just sayin.
 
Ott unquestionably is a force. Whether he is the Outland Trophy favorite that some Hawkeye fans seem to think is another question.

For the record, a DL from Iowa State had what some would say was a better game Saturday, and is hardly mentioned. Dale Pierson had 3.5 sacks and a pass interception with a 24-yard return. And the new nose guard , Demond Tucker, disrupted the Panther offense all night.

I read this morning that ISU is likely to play more 4-man front against Iowa because of the Hawkeyes' running game, which makes sense. And in terms of handling Ott, it could make a difference if Daniel Burton can play. He's probably ISU's best OL and missed Saturday's game.

I think it would be a mistake to base too much thinking on the games Saturday. The opponent in both cases is a different kind of team thn Iowa and ISU will face next week.
 
Ott unquestionably is a force. Whether he is the Outland Trophy favorite that some Hawkeye fans (name names please.....or are you exaggerating?) seem to think is another question.

I read this morning that ISU is likely to play more 4-man front against Iowa because of the Hawkeyes' running game, which makes sense. And in terms of handling Ott, it could make a difference if Daniel Burton can play. He's probably ISU's best OL and missed Saturday's game. (More than likely, with Iowa's luck, Ott will be neutralized into a non-factor for Saturday's game just because. Bau for Iowa State.
 
Read this thread. Look up the definition of "seems."

Lord, this education task you've given me on this board is a challenge.
 
JP Philbert or Jake Campos. Ott will likely struggle...sorry to break the news.

That's obviously ridiculous.

Otts looking like an early round draft pick and those type of guys don't struggle against much let alone mediocre juco players.
 
Iowa State's offense matches up poorly with Iowa's defense. Given Iowa State could not rush the ball against UNI, Iowa will easily shut that down and make their offense one dimensional. Forcing Iowa State into a passing game that plays into the strength of Iowa's defense. Yes, Iowa State has decent to good receivers, but Richardson's passing skills have been proven to be less than above reproach. I like Iowa's chances.

One additional thing, that has not been commented on enough with all the well deserved Ott praise. Saturday, an unexpected real difference maker showed up on Iowa's defense. Something that Illinois State's head coach, Purdue's old defensive coach, thought was key to their offensive implosion - Ben Niemann. He is going to give Iowa State fits.
 
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Couldn't believe UNI started Bailey over Kollmorgen, but in the end it doesn't matter. It'll be a close uncomfortable game like every year.
I was surprised by that also. Hard to bench a returning starter and senior for a newcomer. Bailey was elusive and hit some screen passes early, but ISU seemed to close that off pretty early in the game. They probably should have tried Kollmorgen earlier, but I'm not sure it would have made much difference.
 
I was surprised by that also. Hard to bench a returning starter and senior for a newcomer. Bailey was elusive and hit some screen passes early, but ISU seemed to close that off pretty early in the game. They probably should have tried Kollmorgen earlier, but I'm not sure it would have made much difference.
Kollmorgen was the starter two years ago when UNI won at ISU. It was very surprising to see them go with Bailey, and to stick with him until the game was out of reach. Bailey was very effective with his running, though.
 
Fair question.

Jake Campos started at left tackle yesterday. RS sophomore, Rivals 4* and top recruit in Iowa a couple years ago out of West Des Moines - Valley high school. He started most of last year as a RS Freshmen, so he's got some experience. The "experts" all say he's a legit NFL type of talent if he continues to develop with experience. He appears to be living up to his 4* rating. We all know that doesn't always happen.

RS Senior Brock Dagel started at RT yesterday. Lots of experience playing at both LT and RT. Haven't heard any talk of him being NFL material, but he played well against UNI. Dagel is considered to be a "solid" right tackle, and not a weak link or liability at the position.

RS Sophomore and JUCO transfer JP Philbert played a bunch last night at left tackle after the coaches slid Campos over to right tackle. It appears this switch wasn't due to RT Dagel getting hurt, since Dagel came back in later in the game to let Philbert rest after a leg cramp. It appears as though Philbert has proven to match the considerable hype that he generated with his early signing with ISU this winter. Indications are Philbert has ostensibly beaten out a decent 5th year tackle (Dagel). We look at this as a positive for ISU.

I hope we can neutralize Ott without having to double team him....we'll find out soon enough.

Considerable hype for a 3 star JUCO olineman??
UNI had 5 sacks and you think ISU's oline is going to stop a 2nd team All Big Ten DE?
 
Considerable hype for a 3 star JUCO olineman??
UNI had 5 sacks and you think ISU's oline is going to stop a 2nd team All Big Ten DE?
Those 5 sacks on Richardson the other night were all coverage sacks. We're hearing Richardson was being coached to stay in the pocket, rather than take off running when his first and second options aren't open.

I think you'll see a little different Richardson out there on Saturday. He's dangerous with his feet. Just hope he doesn't get injured running the ball.
 
One additional thing, that has not been commented on enough with all the well deserved Ott praise. Saturday, an unexpected real difference maker showed up on Iowa's defense. Something that Illinois State's head coach, Purdue's old defensive coach, thought was key to their offensive implosion - Ben Niemann. He is going to give Iowa State fits.

As I read that part, I really thought you were going to say Jaleel Johnson. He looked pretty good to me, but again the Illinois State OL wasn't of the quality of Iowa State's line...

I was impressed with how crisp the Hawks looked Saturday. I was equally unimpressed with Illinois State as a team... they just weren't very good.
 
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Another cool story. More and more Iowa fans (kids who live in state) are attending Iowa State. Wanna know how much that affects the Iowa State football program or helps to make Iowa State as a university better than Iowa?

In no way whatsoever. It is not an indictment on Iowa. It is not a rallying cry for Iowa State, nor a boon. What it does mean is that a couple hundred or more of those students decked in red last week?.....They'll be wearing black and gold on Saturday.

Deal with it.
 
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