Check out Tazclone's comments in one of the other threads. He addresses your questions better than I would.
Here's to a hard-fought and entertaining rivalry game this Saturday!
Iowa and Iowa State thoughts
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Here's to a hard-fought and entertaining rivalry game this Saturday!
Im not going to try and pretend I am some football guru or anything even remotely like that, but I truly believe if people spent time to watch other teams like they do theirs they would see that players get out of position a lot. It's where highly skilled athletes exploit it and allow for ungodly amounts of points in games.
Last year we had LB's bite and get out of position against a dynamite athlete and it cost us over 200 yards receiving on 5 catches and 23 points against our first time D. This year we had 2 dynamite and highly skilled athletes get nothing against our first team D.
You are right, a better opponent will score more points and take advantage of it but for my money after the first game stand point I think this defense is greatly improved. But then again maybe Illinois St offensive line is awful this year.
Oh I'm also quite confident you missed my point in my original post........just sayin.
I apologize. I didn't recognize your screen name and assumed you were one of the shape-changers.
Find that link yet that answers the question as to how Iowa pays for its Medicine, Pharmacy and Dental programs if isu gets its way with their proposed change in funding?
Anyone with "journalistic" skills like you LC should have had this in tow weeks ago.
Yet despite Iowa continuing to spend more money, ISU manages to beat them more often than not, amazing. Your jealousy of Iowa State runs deep.
What is there to be jealous of isu for?
Not being able to go to January Bowl games or the inability to win a football conference championship since 1912?
Do tell us how it really is Boys.
isu beats Iowa more often than not? Really, please post the series record for us. Or must we ignore that and be selective in looking at history in order for clone fan to feel good about himself?
Also why do clone fans look only at comparing to Iowa vs Iowa fans who look at Top Ten finishes, Bowl Games and Football Conference Championships? Sure does seem to me Iowa fans are focussed on much different outcomes than isu which is at the core of why isu and its fans are little brother.
But of course do tell us how it really is Boys5, that is always good for a laugh.
Actually my posts point out facts clone fans can't argue with. Why do you and all clone fans ignore that?
Did I miss the reply from redcy or any other isu fan?
First to acknowledge that there are several examples of rival teams for Iowa, each from the Big Ten Conference. Secondly, to provide any type of response to the question of which (if any) team, other than Iowa, is considered a true rival of isu.
The fact that people list 4 team tells me there is no true rival.....especially if you say a team that just joined your league a few years ago is your rival. According to the definition you provide how are you and Nebraska have had mutual success? What are you 2-6 since the Hayden years?
Let me answer this silly "who's your rival" question.
ISU has 9 rivals and plays them each and every year in conference play. Granted, the intensity of each of these rivalries varies quite a bit...with the old Big 8 schools being much more intense than rivalries with the newer schools. In particular, our matchups with Kansas State and Kansas elevate to the level of more traditional rivalries. For goodness sakes, have you never heard of Farmageddon...the annual matchup between Iowa State and Kansas State?
These old Big 8 rivalries are every bit the equal of any rivalry matchups that Iowa plays...only the quality of football played in the Big 12 is significantly higher overall.
ISU has 9 rivals and plays them each and every year in conference play. Granted, the intensity of each of these rivalries varies quite a bit...with the old Big 8 schools being much more intense than rivalries with the newer schools. In particular, our matchups with Kansas State and Kansas elevate to the level of more traditional rivalries. For goodness sakes, have you never heard of Farmageddon...the annual matchup between Iowa State and Kansas State?
These old Big 8 rivalries are every bit the equal of any rivalry matchups that Iowa plays...only the quality of football played in the Big 12 is significantly higher overall.
Now that is funny. Will you be at the Funny Bone all week? Hope you don't miss the non rivalry game Saturday.
When exactly will the Texas Ten have post season success that matches their bogus SOS. When will the Texas Ten actually have multiple national championship contenders for football and MBB? When these actually take place clone fan will be able to argue the Texas Ten is equal to the Big Ten but for now just like isu is to Iowa, the Texas Ten is looking up.
I can answer that. In football, ISU's primary rival is Iowa. In men's basketball, it is Kansas. In volleyball it is Texas. In baseball, it is those guys who walk out of the corn field in Dyersville.
It's funny when someone makes a point you don't like you call it deflection. In essense you're deflecting by saying someone else is deflecting....silly. I never said Iowa State had a rival in the true sense of the word. I guess if I use the same definition as you guys, I guess it would be half of the Big 12. It sounds like your rival is the pretty much the whole west division of the Big 10. My god some of you say Illinois is your rival?????
No deflection here, I don't think ISU has a "true" rival. When I think Ohio-State/Michigan....that's a rivalry. In basketball, I think it is become Kansas. In football, I would say there is more emotions wrapped up with the Iowa game more than any other. If you say that this is not true from you standpoint you are not being honest with yourself.
How nice.... I wonder how many of the nine big xii ever consider isu as a "rival"?
Maybe Kansas State seeing as they were for so long the doormat of much of college football for an extended period (until a certain coach from the University of Iowa came along and changed the fortunes of K-State football.) What are the odds on K-State surpassing ole isu in total series wins in the next few years? Better hope it is not too soon as the Wildcats are the lone team remaining that isu holds any edge over whatsoever in terms of series victories.
Or, are you speaking of the stalwarts such as Texas and Oklahoma. Do you really believe they consider the team from Ames, Iowa as any sort of rival? Perhaps it is one of the other Texas and/or Oklahoma programs.... exactly where in their respective pecking order of conference football competition do you believe each of them would list isu? Top of the heap? Next best? Or would it most likely be number nine out of nine for most, if not every one of those opponents?
That leaves Kansas and West Virginia. KU, having lost its most hated rival in Missouri to the SEC, certainly might have been a candidate. But, everyone realizes that the athletic emphasis at Kansas will forever be basketball, not football so what value could there be claiming KU as your main rival? WV? Congrats! It takes a school with absolutely the least commonality with any other big xii institution to be deemed your rival. The world awaits the outcome of the isu versus WV game each fall.
Yeah... the big 8/big xii is the benchmark of greatness. That is why the conference will always be recognized as the one league rebuffed by college football when it came time to implement the inaugural major college football championships in 2014-15. Again, kudos on a job so well done!
I can state without hesitation that the isu game is secondary to any Big Ten Conference game and has always been so for me.
Dude, I stopped replying to you some time ago, but
I would agree with that. Conference games are more important to what both teams want....a conference championship. Yes, I know ISU has never won one, but do you really think that an ISU fan wouldn't give their left nut for one.
I do think since the IU/ISU series has become more competitive, emotions run higher for this game than other games for both sides and why wouldn't it. We have to live with each other for the next 12 months until the next game.
I grew up a Hawk fan just outside Iowa City. As a kid I wanted to beat ISU badly and that's when Iowa was at it's height and ISU was at it's low in the mid 80's. Hayden knew the importance of winning this game in regards to recruiting and marketing. He wasn't a dummy.
Why is it that clone fans ignore facts they don't like? Clone fans love to tout SOS and when it is revealed just how bogus that ranking is they get all pissy. I understand why that is, when their crutch for sucking is taken away they are left with no excuses.
To put things in perspective - Ott forced the opposition to adjust their game-plan just to account for him. What's more remarkable about that ... is the level of disruption he had given how little he actually played. If you go back and watch the game - Hesse played A TON of reps in the game. This is presumably due to the bloody nose that Ott had (that they had trouble stopping).
Frankly, it was pretty sweet seeing how well Hesse was playing along side the starting DL. The young man is going to be REALLY good.
Not exactly sure of your direction with this rambling...
Are you agreeing now that isu is not Iowa's main rival and it is not even close? Because that is what I am saying and have stated for some time now (you likely were not around for the vanity license plate conspiracy theory expressed here by another wayward isu fan a few years ago. His claim was that a handful of Iowa license plates,out of a population of several thousands of such plates. absolutely proved that isu was Iowa's primary rival.)
If you were any sort of Hawk fan, then you would have practical knowledge of the rivalries between Iowa and Minnesota and/or Iowa and Wisconsin. The nerves, emotions, passion, you name it are always high and raw for these games. You seem to think that a state border somehow limits the ability for a rivalry to exist. Residents of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska and elsewhere can tell you differently.
Coach Fry was a mastermind in many, many respects. He inherited a football program mired in nineteen consecutive years of non-winning. Beating isu was simply a step in changing the prevalent assumption that little ole Iowa did not deserve to even expect better. Much more important to Fry was breaking down the supposedly insurmountable dynasty of Ohio State and Michigan in the Big Ten. Indeed, he was not a dummy and you would be wise to know a little more about what he set out to accomplish and the priorities he established to achieve the things he did at Iowa.
huh? What is the overall record between the schools? 40-22 good guys.
last 20 games? 10-10
last 10 games? 5-5
last 6 games? 3-3
Been even lately, but Iowa had that 15 game win streak that really set the two apart. Thanks for playing tho
Campos is not a bad lineman, he is comparable to Meyers at LT....Ott will not struggle against Campos, it is more likely that Campos will struggle against Ott....we saw what Ott did at kids day and last week, going against Sherff for several years really helped Ott become one of the best DE in the B10
I actually have admiration for ISU fans.....it is beyond me how in the world you can be so committed to a program that is just horrible, like one of the worst in the country....that takes a lot of dedication. I mean I am not sure if ISU fans know that there are games played after the month of November, for those ISU fans on the Hawkeye page (which is a whole different issue) there are games played in December and January and they are called "Bowl Games"....teams that can at least play .500 football gets an opportunity to play another game against another comparable team.....
You read into this stuff way too much. I never stated who is Iowa's main rival....Iowa State or whomever. I'm not an Iowa fan anymore so how can I say who is Iowa's rival. Even the question I originally asked received several different answers from different Hawk fans so how the hell am I suppose to tell you who your rival is.
BTW, when I was a Hawk fan, Minnesota and Wisconsin sucked so I never thought they were a rival.
Believe me I understood what Fry was about. You know nothing about me to make such a judgmental statement in regards to my wisdom in regards Iowa football.....it only shows your lack of wisdom to make assumptions about someone you do not know.
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Clone fans make assumptions all the time on cyclone fanatic. Let me know when you will take up my challenge and smack them around for acting as you find so deplorable.
I am going to make an assumption that you were never an Iowa fan, even if you thought you were at one time.....because there is no way that a true Iowa fan would ever be anything but an Iowa fan (might be a pissed off Iowa fan, but an Iowa fan none the less) and they certainly would not suddenly become an ISU fan and have a screen name of 'redcy'......furthermore, why in the hell are you on an Iowa fan site, I mean I get that your site has probably about 15 total people and very little positive things to talk about, but still wonder why you are here?
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