I have been reading that ISU's OL is much better. What is the reason for people feeling that way? They gave up 5 sacks and ran for 2.4 ypc against UNI. What am I missing? The improved Defense seems to have some truth to it. I'm not so sure about the OL.
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I have been reading that ISU's OL is much better. What is the reason for people feeling that way? They gave up 5 sacks and ran for 2.4 ypc against UNI. What am I missing? The improved Defense seems to have some truth to it. I'm not so sure about the OL.
Deal with what? When did I make, or even hint at, the claims you just mentioned? I merely brought up a point that's been made about SUI since I was a student there in the late '60s, which is that it's a refuge for Chicago kids who can't get into Illinois.
People thought ISU's OL would be significantly better because it has a fair amount of experience back and last year's OL was badly hurt by injuries. At this point, though, the jury is definitely still out, and at least one starter and one backup haven't played.
The sacks by UNI are a little misleading, though. Sam had enough time if he'd have had anybody to throw to. Either the highly touted receivers weren't getting open, or he wasn't seeing them. I'm more concerned about that than about the OL.
Id like to know since when did you have to graduate from somewhere to be a fan?
Great question. The answer is never. There are plenty of ISU fans who never attended the school, and the same goes for Iowa. Shoot -- the same goes for every school nationwide.
Maybe I'm unaware of the rulebook specifying the requirements for designation of allegiance to college athletic programs, but I'm fairly certain that no such rulebook exists.
Agree. While ISU's defense played much better, UNI had four new regular starters(one had five starts) on the OL and seven new starters overall. Pierson had three sacks against a guy that had never started before. The fact that every iSu DL got pressure, disrupted plays, and got hits on the QB makes me hesitant about heaping praise. They are better but how much better is yet to be seen.
On the flip side, UNI returned their best playmakers on defense including three preseason All americans in the dfensive backfield. two of which are D1 tansfers.
I think the same could be said for Illinois State. They had 14 new starters. Seven on each side of the ball(some had a few starts but were not regular starters). They had three new starters on the OL including both OTs . The guy Ott tore up was a 280lb first time starter. The uy Meier tore up "saw action as a reserve" in seven games over two years.
Keep in mind, uNi and Illinois state split last year and Illinois State lost more starters.
In short......Hard to gather anything from either of the games.
I can't believe either play ahead of Dunne. The new OC is mnore of a pass happy spread guy and neither of those two complete more than 55% of their passes. I see Dunne starting by game three and bailey turning into a WR
Quick question on Ott...was he hurt last year against iSU? Dagel handled him pretty well last year and is probably our third best pass blocking OT behind Campos and Philbert. I know he had a great game against Ball State
Against UNI, Campos and Dagle started but Philbert played a majority of snaps at LT and then Campos and Dagel split snaps at RT. Near the end of the game Philbert cramped up and Dagel actually came in and played LT. I fully expect Philbert to see most of the snaps at LT. He is the best LT we have had since KO and will get better as he learns the system.
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Yes he was. He was in a vehicular accident that week and played.
Or since Ott always makes an outside move and leaves a hole off tackle, they can go with his outside move and run through the hole he leaves.A few things they could do to neutralize Ott. The short passing game, obviously. Those quick hitters and slants and pitch-outs to the WRs in the flats take away the pass rush because the ball is out in 2 seconds or less and it basically becomes 4 on 7 or 5 on 7 depending on if ISU goes empty or has a RB. And if you're going to one side that basically cuts the defense in half in terms of being able to react to the initial pass. It then falls on the DBs and LBs in coverage to make plays/break up passes at some point before the opponent reaches the endzone......
Another would be the screen to the RB that Illinois State liked to run. The only danger of that is that if a team reads it well, they can blow it up in the backfield, and you risk the possibility of Ott pulling a Christian Ballard and picking the ball off. Ott does have a blocked punt return for a TD in his career. It'd be nice if he could add to that before his senior season ends.
Lastly, ISU could just simply run away from Ott like scared little babies, just like a lot of teams did with Clayborn (yes, it's smart football but I'll make fun of them anyway because I can). He bullrushed right by the Illinois State OTs early and often, but what that also creates is a lane to step up in the pocket or a hole for the RB if the rest of the DL/LBs do not adjust their containment. Or they could also just more often than not attack Meier and Bazata and see if they're capable of making the Cyclones think twice about picking on them.
Why all the love for Ott and none for Meier. That dude had six tackles including a TFL and a sack
Ott doesn't always make his move to the outside. A good DE has to have an inside move; otherwise, the OT anticipates his move to the outside and shuts it down. He may go outside more than inside, but he has to keep the OT guessing to some degree to keep an edge.
Meier has actually improved a lot and looked good last week. That said, Ott's clearly the better of the two.
If the Clones focus on stopping Ott, watch for Jaleel Johnson to make noise in the backfield. He blew through the Illinois State O-line repeatedly last week.
Not making predictions of any sort, and I think ISU very well could win this game -- just shedding a little light on the Iowa D-line for my Cyclone friends.
Meier has actually improved a lot and looked good last week. That said, Ott's clearly the better of the two.
If the Clones focus on stopping Ott, watch for Jaleel Johnson to make noise in the backfield. He blew through the Illinois State O-line repeatedly last week.
Not making predictions of any sort, and I think ISU very well could win this game -- just shedding a little light on the Iowa D-line for my Cyclone friends.
Ott goes to the outside A LOT and that is a weakness I hope iSU takes advantage of, although I am not sure Taiese can capitalize at LG. I am looking forward to watching two matchups Saturday/ Philbert vs Ott and Blythe vs Tucker.
Coverage sacks? But I have been told ISU has the best group of WR's we will see all year. How are they not getting open against FCS CB's?
It is surprising that I keep hearing about the WR's, the OL, and Richardson. Why is it ISU lost so much last year? Why did the running game go nowhere? Why the 5 sacks? With this amazing group of talent how was it not 56-0?
I can think of 4 people I went to ISU with (late 90's) who grew up Hawkeye fans but became Cyclone fans because.. you know.. it was their school. They are all still big Cyclone fans who contribute financially to the program. That kind of shoots a hole in your theory doesn't it?
I took a 5 year message board hiatus and see Lone Clone still here blabbering about the same exact things. Isu needs Iowa. Iowa gets absolutely nothing from playing them or UNI for that matter. This is a game to support ISU financially. Always has been and always will be.
That extra 300 people a year should catapult ISU past Iowa in fandom in a quick 100 years or so. You guys are going a little crazy over the enrollment thing. The enrollment of the two schools has been pretty close for a long time. If enrollment were such a big deal, wouldn't fan bases be pretty close in size? I doubt it ever gets to lopsided way or another between the two schools, as far as enrollment is concerned.
Do you know why I'm an Iowa fan? Probably because my dad is an Iowa fan. Do you know why my son is an Iowa fan? Probably because I'm an Iowa fan. Your enrollment certainly isn't hurting, put it is a drop in the bucket out of 3 million people.
I went to ISU...
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The disparity is 4000 students this year and the gap is widening each year. Add in extended family and we'll, you get the picture.
Yet isu spends less educating their students than Iowa and clone fans eat that up.
Clone fans tout Pollards "Marketing" and then we learn Iowa brings in $10m more than isu for football revenue. Add in isu having zero football conference championships since 1912 and clone fans still can't figure out why they are little bro.
You remind me of a little dog that just yaps constantly. Same little bark over and over...... Dogs take meds also...... Dose up!
Sooooo, why is the gap so large? Iowa's enrollment hasn't been significantly larger than ISU's. As recently as the late 70's ISU had a larger enrollment. Iowa's was never much larger since then.
Again, if enrollment were such a big deal, the fan bases would be practically the same. Central Florida has 8,000 more students than the UF. People grow up Gator fans in Florida. Sometimes they go to UCF and become UCF fans, but like I said earlier, it's a drop in the fan base bucket.
Having a large alumni gives you a large alumni, and probably helps with donations. The theory that it is going to have a significant effect on the size the fan base is a Cyclone nocturnal emission.
That's kinda what I meant with the "hole for a RB" towards the end of my post. If Iowa fills that gap with a LB though they can plug that up, but again there's a lot of variables both to what Iowa is doing defensively, and what ISU is doing offensively.
Meier had a good game, though he'll probably get plenty more opportunities as the season goes on to make plays if teams are gonna run his way, or choose to go away from Ott.
I will keep asking until clone fans can answer the question. It is a favorite tactic of clone fans so it doesn't surprise they get pissy when it is used against them.
I like it, isu is really just the UCF of Iowa. Makes sense to me. It is hilarious how proud clone fans are over a meaningless stat.
I wouldn't read too much into what Ott did against the Illinois State tackles. He was constantly beating them off the edge and forcing the Redbirds to dictate their play-calling because of that. It was evident after the first couple of series that ISU wanted absolutely nothing to do with him. We saw a lot of screens and designed draws as a way to neutralize Ott, but that didn't help much as Iowa's defense did a nice job of covering.
The fact was, Ott could've made more bullrushes and worked inside as well, but when he's going up against guys who can barely get a hand on him going around the edge, he's gonna work that angle more often than not, especially against a weaker opponent. It wasn't a tendency so much as it was taking what the defense was giving you....which more often than not was a pretty easy route to the ISU backfield, and not by design either.
I guarantee you if we played a team like Ohio State, his approach would change.
I noticed both ends doing a better job of getting up field to hold the edge and then closing the gap down. Much better than last year. IMO.
I rewatched the game and I did notice our LB'S bite and end up in the wrong position several times. The ends and DL and the back side LB'S helped cover it up. I think that could be a problem with a little bit better team this week.
So, who is Iowa states rival clone fans? Avoiding the question. Is it Texas? Is it Kansas? How about Baylor, Texas tech or tcu? Kstate? I got it West Virginia. Right? No? So Iowa state has no rivals in conference and you claim Iowa isn't a rival. Who is it? Toledo
But we aren't the ones who are too embarrassed by our past statements to keep the same screen names, are we?
Not sure what screen names have to do with anything, other than deflecting lack of substance in ridiculous arguments claiming that Iowa is not the only rival that Iowa state has. As for Iowa rivals. There is Wisconsin, Minnesota and recently Nebraska. Those are rivalries that occur within the confines of conference play. But in order to have a rivalry, there must be mutual success to be taken seriously. All of those quality big 12 wins the clones have had over the past century reinforce those great Iowa state rivalry games. Lolololololol
My screen name has been same since 2007. No change. Nothing to hide. Been lurking for years. I find it odd that for a meaningless game, you clown fans sure spend a lot of time justifying how great you are. Pulling out enrollment stats to justify a football argument is the weakest one yet.
Not sure how you came up with that 300/year number based on the anecdotal evidence I provided. Maybe you have a special equation.
Two of the guys I'm referring to had dads that were huge Hawk fans. My best friends dad still seems a bit miffed to this day that his son converted.
People can root for whoever they want obviously. If any of my kids choose the U of I, though, I would anticipate that they'll become Hawkeyes fans. Why wouldn't you want to root for YOUR school on YOUR campus?! It's one of the coolest aspects of the college experience if you ask me.
