So you were just posting the State’s position but not taking a position?
Have one now?
Correct.
I've made my position clear from the start. See post 72.
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So you were just posting the State’s position but not taking a position?
Have one now?
Correct.
I've made my position clear from the start. See post 72.
Your position is:
“It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Two sides to every story, legalities and otherwise.”
That’s it? Gonna Switzerland it? No inkling something went wrong here?
I’m aware. What I’m trying to say - and maybe I’m not explaining this well; is that in order for someone to have a lawsuit proceed in federal court versus state or local, they have to have legal standing, that this isn’t strictly a local/state issue.
I couldn’t just sue my local PD in federal court without a good legal reason for example. It would likely get tossed and I’d be told to try again in state court or not at all.
What happens if the state settles for millions of dollars . . . will you still be waiting for the courts to decide???? Besides we already know it was a fishing expedition. Done at multiple college facilities, before they finally got the information needed . . . ya know to actually get a warrant.That's for the courts to decide.
Even so, if determined legal, and if it was a fishing expedition, I don't approve.
These people need to go to jail.Email from Iowa DCI agent.
He actually out this in an email.
I must have missed the State’s statement on this:
“As far as the coaches, players, and managers are concerned, we don't necessarily have a crime on the books in lowa, but I think it would be a good idea to report them to the University, the Big Ten, and the NCAA. If they get suspended or get a scholarship taken away, so be it.
Nor a warrant. Taxpayers gonna be left holding the bag again.Email from Iowa DCI agent.
He actually out this in an email.
I must have missed the State’s statement on this:
“As far as the coaches, players, and managers are concerned, we don't necessarily have a crime on the books in lowa, but I think it would be a good idea to report them to the University, the Big Ten, and the NCAA. If they get suspended or get a scholarship taken away, so be it.
Bigly. That letter has multiple things that will fuel the lawsuit.Nor a warrant. Taxpayers gonna be left holding the bag again.
Brenna Bird should be fired over this. She's the boss, and although not responsible for the initial f*** up, she has shown ZERO leadership. She's the one clearly trying to sweep something under the rug as Special Agent Adkins bemoaned about the schools and local PDs covering things up.
sigh. Yes, she's not technically their boss. She is, however, as the Attorney General, the highest ranking law enforcement official in the state. She made numerous statements in support of their actions and the case as a whole. She doesn't get to just wash her hands of the whole thing.She is NOT their boss.
sigh. Yes, she's not technically their boss. She is, however, as the Attorney General, the highest ranking law enforcement official in the state. She made numerous statements in support of their actions and the case as a whole. She doesn't get to just wash her hands of the whole thing.
If she didn't know about any of the communications, or what they'd been up to once it became clear something fishy had been going on, then she's culpable as well for sheer incompetence.
As that Attorney General, when it comes to the actions of law enforcement in the state, the buck stops with her.
You suspect wrong.We can agree to disagree on this.
The DPS/DCI is an independent agency.
I suspect if this was Tom Miller (D), the reaction here would be quite different.
Yes, you would have posted until you were blue in the face about his interference and bungling.We can agree to disagree on this.
The DPS/DCI is an independent agency.
I suspect if this was Tom Miller (D), the reaction here would be quite different.
She should have already. Northern is too brand loyal to admit that. A competent AG would have done so immediately. Now the state is getting pummeled in the courts, and well behind in the PR battle.You suspect wrong.
Do you think Bird should open an investigation into this?
Now the state is getting pummeled in the courts, and well behind in the PR battle.
Just curious, why don’t you count the court filings from a few months back that detailed the actions taken here, leading to a subsequent dropping of all charges, as “getting pummeled”?There have been no court rulings.
Take a deep breath and let the process play out.
Because he’s busy not defending the State.Just curious, why don’t you count the court filings from a few months back that detailed the actions taken here, leading to a subsequent dropping of all charges, as “getting pummeled”?
Just curious, why don’t you count the court filings from a few months back that detailed the actions taken here, leading to a subsequent dropping of all charges, as “getting pummeled”?
There haven’t been any court rulings per se because prosecutors realized they had losing hands. Based on what’s come out since, there’s not likely imo to be ANY court rulings because I think it’s far more likely to be settled out of court.
Based on what we know now, do you think there’s any defense of what state investigators did?
Not a fan of wasting tax dollars on investigating victimless crimes.
Not even a crime per the DCI’s own email.
I've said from the start that I have issues with fishing expeditions by law enforcement. Guardrails need to be in place to prevent such.
From a strictly legal perspective, I'm interested in seeing a court ruling on the legality of their actions.
I found that comment curious as well given that county attorneys ended up filing various charges.
Underage were charged I think.
I’m guessing the comment was directed in the smaller context of players who were of age. No crime but what do we do?
Answer - report them to Iowa and the NCAA to f up their season.
The dismissal of the criminal charges against all defendants who were fighting the charges effectively (conveniently?) precluded you from the very information you seek.
For me, the dismissal of the charges before any judge presided over an evidentiary hearing tells me a lot about whether the searches met constitutional requirements.
Two follow up questions:
1. If the State settles with the group of athletes, will that be sufficient basis for you to conclude that DCI acted outside permitted lines?
2. If simply settling doesn't convince you, is there a "base" amount of a settlement that will lead you to conclude that DCI acted outside permitted lines?
Those court rulings already exist. It is blatantly unconstitutional to utilize geofencing in this wah.I've said from the start that I have issues with fishing expeditions by law enforcement. Guardrails need to be in place to prevent such.
From a strictly legal perspective, I'm interested in seeing a court ruling on the legality of their actions.
Didn't that dismissal also cite the county attorneys inability to obtain a response from the company?
We're some alleged to have used accounts under other's names?
I believe so but I don’t think that’s a crime if both are of age. It hides an NCAA violation potentially but it’s not criminal to share a DK account (I think).
Is it illegal for you to conduct transactions in your parents bank account if they are aware and are OK with it?Come on now...
How confident must that dude be to put that shit in writing.Prosecutors dismiss gambling charges against 4 ex-Iowa State athletes, including Broncos' Eyioma Uwazurike
Uwazurike was suspended by the NFL in 2023 for betting on games during his rookie season.sports.yahoo.com
All charges dropped against Cyclone athletes in sports gambling investigation
STORY COUNTY, IOWA — Prosecutors in Story County are dropping the charges against four current and former Iowa State Cyclone athletes after new court documents this week showed that a DCI inv…who13.com
Atkins' email tells me a lot. For me, statements made before the proverbial "shit hits the fan" carry a great deal of credibility. Statements "after the fact" are often structured to serve as a CYA. Atkins' email is, IMO, akin to an admission.