Iowa Fans - Rate The Refs

[NealPageNJ]

Really interested in this after seeing the nonstop complaining from Minny, PSU, Indiana, and Illinois fans about how physical RU is allowed to play at home. I felt last night’s game was just as physical if not more by both teams on each end. I thought is was a very well refereed game. They let them play a lot and then tightened it up a few times when they had to. There were probably a handful of calls each fan base could complain about but all in all I felt the refs did not impact the outcome. I give them a 9/10.

BTW- Garza is a monster.

 

[BrunoMars420]

69/420

 

[pocha444444]

I thought the Hawks caught a few breaks last night, but that's just how it goes playing at home in college basketball.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Really interested in this after seeing the nonstop complaining from Minny, PSU, Indiana, and Illinois fans about how physical RU is allowed to play at home. I felt last night’s game was just as physical if not more by both teams on each end. I thought is was a very well refereed game. They let them play a lot and then tightened it up a few times when they had to. There were probably a handful of calls each fan base could complain about but all in all I felt the refs did not impact the outcome. I give them a 9/10.

BTW- Garza is a monster.

If the game would have been called the same way in the second half as it was in the first (no fouls being called) Iowa would have lost. Rutgers is long, athletic and physical, and they are going to get into guys on defense and make the refs call fouls. No harm in that, it's smart by Pikiell. And you can imagine why opposing fans might get upset when playing at Rutgers

Seriously, Pikiell has done a great job putting together a team that plays hard and will likely be even better next year.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

25 or 6 to 4.


Honestly I thought overall they were decent. As you mentioned there were some you could complain about for each team. RU plays great defense and does get away with some 'physicality' when they are on D, but overall I think the Hawks got a very slight edge at home.

 

[iahawks10]

It’s not a surprise that the moment they actually called the game the way it’s supposed to be called, Iowa went up 10.

The entire first half was a free for all. 4-3 in the foul department in the first half is laughable. To end the half, Iowa fouled a guy three times who then travels before making an assist.... no call. Terrible officiating.


The second half was a little better. They at least blew the whistle. Very inconsistent on what was a foul and what wasn’t. Oddly, that part is consistent for the B1G. When they called a foul on Fredrick after the RU player (Ron Harper Jr?) jumped out of bounds was one of the worst calls I’ve witnessed all year. Terrible call.

Courtney Green is an awful official, but all in all about an average game officiating wise. Probably a 7/10. Consistently inconsistent.

RU is physical. They are MSU without the offensive talent I’d say.

 

[iahawks10]

I thought the Hawks caught a few breaks last night, but that's just how it goes playing at home in college basketball.

I’d like to know what breaks you thought Iowa caught. Not trying to argue, I generally see the games with an Iowa slant. I didn’t see any breaks that a lot of home teams seem to get.

 

[MepoDawg#]

When they called a foul on Fredrick after the RU player (Ron Harper Jr?) jumped out of bounds was one of the worst calls I’ve witnessed all year. Terrible call

This ^^^^. That was a flop if I’d ever seen one.

 

[nu2u]

The officials allowed considerable contact in this match-up.

Q: How do you know that the refs called a loose game?
A: When a coach becomes irate because the referee failed to blow the whistle on one of his players attempting an intentional foul.

The refs allowed a more physical game. That's perfectly fine. The ultimate issue is whether the officials were consistent. IMHO - yes. A couple contact non-calls on both ends were questionable but that is to be expected in any basketball game.

 

[BBHawk]

The officials allowed considerable contact in this match-up.

Q: How do you know that the refs called a loose game?
A: When a coach becomes irate because the referee failed to blow the whistle on one of his players attempting an intentional foul.

The refs allowed a more physical game. That's perfectly fine. The ultimate issue is whether the officials were consistent. IMHO - yes. A couple contact non-calls on both ends were questionable but that is to be expected in any basketball game.

That end of the half technical was ridiculous.

 

[Rifler]

This ^^^^. That was a flop if I’d ever seen one.

Absolutely, he flopped to exaggerate the foul that Frederick made,... I'm OK with the call the way it went down.

 

[iahawks10]

The officials allowed considerable contact in this match-up.

Q: How do you know that the refs called a loose game?
A: When a coach becomes irate because the referee failed to blow the whistle on one of his players attempting an intentional foul.

The refs allowed a more physical game. That's perfectly fine. The ultimate issue is whether the officials were consistent. IMHO - yes. A couple contact non-calls on both ends were questionable but that is to be expected in any basketball game.

I wouldn’t use the word consistent in this one. They called 7 total fouls in the first half, while not calling one that was intentional. They called 30 in the second half where only two were RU was intentionally fouling.

The players didn’t change their style, nor did the game plans. The refs changed.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Thought they called 2 completely different games each half

 

[MepoDawg#]

Absolutely, he flopped to exaggerate the foul that Frederick made,... I'm OK with the call the way it went down.

I think it’s a no call. Loose ball, both going for the ball.

 

[iahawks10]

I think it’s a no call. Loose ball, both going for the ball.

Two guys going for the ball, both shoving. The only difference was that Harper got the ball and ran out of real estate. Not sure how Iowa gained an advantage to deserve a foul call.

 

[anon_2zMXH429BhxV1Npk]

Thought they called 2 completely different games each half

This exactly. The first half was called very loosely, letting everything go for the most part. The second half they had to have called 5-6 fouls before the first TV timeout, a lot of which were very touchy and stuff not called in the first half.

First half benefited Rutgers style of play, second half benefited Iowa's (for the most part). We can argue over which style was correct but if you're refs at least keep it consistent. The inconsistency usually ruins the flow of games because teams aren't sure how to adjust, thankfully last night was still entertaining.

 

[Rifler]

I think it’s a no call. Loose ball, both going for the ball.

I thought Frederick fouled and then Harper flopped to put icing on the cake...

 

[fivecardstud14]

Rutgers got the short end of a few calls, they should've been more upset with officiating than Iowa. The reffing wasn't terrible, but I don't know how they didn't see Kriener trying to foul at the end of the first half.

 

[nu2u]

I wouldn’t use the consistent in this one. They called 7 total fouls in the first half, while not calling one that was intentional. They called 30 in the second half where only two were RU was intentionally fouling.

The players didn’t change their style, nor did the game plans. The refs changed.

The number of fouls per half is completely irrelevant without a comparative examination of plays where a foul was called. For fans, whether the calls where consistent throughout the game is subjective impression. The B10 reviews and grades officials regularly. IMO, the Rutgers v. Iowa refs will receive mostly positive grades.

 

[hawkedoff]

I think the refs got their asses chewed at halftime

 

[Rifler]

I think the refs got their asses chewed at halftime

Yep,.. Fran purchased a mouthful of ass with that technical...

 

[sober_teacher]

This exactly. The first half was called very loosely, letting everything go for the most part. The second half they had to have called 5-6 fouls before the first TV timeout, a lot of which were very touchy and stuff not called in the first half.

First half benefited Rutgers style of play, second half benefited Iowa's (for the most part). We can argue over which style was correct but if you're refs at least keep it consistent. The inconsistency usually ruins the flow of games because teams aren't sure how to adjust, thankfully last night was still entertaining.

They called 9 combined fouls in the 1st 90 SECONDS of the 2nd half, Rutgers was in the bonus (Iowa shooting free throws) before we got to the 1st tv timeout.

I can't say the referees had a good game when they have that kind of foul discrepancy between halves. Credit to Iowa for recognizing how the officiating changed in the 2nd half and attacked the basket more.

While we'd all love to have excellent officials every time out, I think we can all recognize that that's virtually impossible, and I am okay with the occasional missed call as long as it doesn't become a trend. All I think we can truly reasonably ask is that officials call a game consistently. You just can't have that kind of foul discrepancy between halves. Reminds me of the b10 tourney game against MSU when Gesell/Woodbury were freshmen and the officials completely swallowed their whistles in the 2nd half.

This Iowa team seems more mentally tough against physical opponents however.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Hidden cam in the ref locker room at Carver pregame

 

[pocha444444]

I’d like to know what breaks you thought Iowa caught. Not trying to argue, I generally see the games with an Iowa slant. I didn’t see any breaks that a lot of home teams seem to get.

I'd have to go back and re-watch. I remember a call on a Rutgers guy fronting Weiskamp in the post, and a few other phantom ones. Definitely calls that went against Iowa as well. Just thought it favored Iowa last night, which is usually the case at home in the Big Ten. You have to know that going in.

 

[brownd7949hawks]

I thought Frederick fouled and then Harper flopped to put icing on the cake...

If that’s a foul the guy who dove behind Garza and took both legs out should be a foul too.

 

[Chicityhawkfan]

Echoing the sentiments of most I thought it was a tale of two halves. Let both teams play probably a little too much in the first half then called it a little closer to the actual rule book in the second. Rutgers probably got the short end of the stick overall but nothing too egregious.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

It’s not a surprise that the moment they actually called the game the way it’s supposed to be called, Iowa went up 10.

The entire first half was a free for all. 4-3 in the foul department in the first half is laughable. To end the half, Iowa fouled a guy three times who then travels before making an assist.... no call. Terrible officiating.


The second half was a little better. They at least blew the whistle. Very inconsistent on what was a foul and what wasn’t. Oddly, that part is consistent for the B1G. When they called a foul on Fredrick after the RU player (Ron Harper Jr?) jumped out of bounds was one of the worst calls I’ve witnessed all year. Terrible call.

Courtney Green is an awful official, but all in all about an average game officiating wise. Probably a 7/10. Consistently inconsistent.

RU is physical. They are MSU without the offensive talent I’d say.

10/10 post. Five stars. *****

 

[pocha444444]

It’s not a surprise that the moment they actually called the game the way it’s supposed to be called, Iowa went up 10.

The entire first half was a free for all. 4-3 in the foul department in the first half is laughable. To end the half, Iowa fouled a guy three times who then travels before making an assist.... no call. Terrible officiating.


The second half was a little better. They at least blew the whistle. Very inconsistent on what was a foul and what wasn’t. Oddly, that part is consistent for the B1G. When they called a foul on Fredrick after the RU player (Ron Harper Jr?) jumped out of bounds was one of the worst calls I’ve witnessed all year. Terrible call.

Courtney Green is an awful official, but all in all about an average game officiating wise. Probably a 7/10. Consistently inconsistent.

RU is physical. They are MSU without the offensive talent I’d say.

Funny, I made a comment towards the end of the first half to a friend watching the game with me about how great it was watching the first half. Hardly any foul calls and the game actually had flow for once! That's a rare occurrence in college basketball. I see not everyone likes flow in a basketball game though, and would rather watch referees blow their whistles at any sight of contact. To each their own I guess.

That was obviously a joke of a non-call at the end of the first half though. No debating that.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Bardo seemed to think Rutgers should have gotten more calls in the second half

 

[iahawks10]

The number of fouls per half is completely irrelevant without a comparative examination of plays where a foul was called. For fans, whether the calls where consistent throughout the game is subjective impression. The B10 reviews and grades officials regularly. IMO, the Rutgers v. Iowa refs will receive mostly positive grades.

Since we will never know how they grade out. B1G officiating is so pathetic I wouldn’t be surprised if they graded out positively either. Not sure that’s much of a compliment.

You’re certainly entitled to your subjective opinion. We can agree to disagree on the consistency of what was a foul and when compared to what wasn’t. I will say that benefited Iowa the most. All I’m saying is that 7 fouls one half compared to 28 (unintentional) fouls, four times as many, doesn’t exactly scream consistency.

 

[iahawks10]

Funny, I made a comment towards the end of the first half to a friend watching the game with me about how great it was watching the first half. Hardly any foul calls and the game actually had flow for once! That's a rare occurrence in college basketball. I see not everyone likes flow in a basketball game though, and would rather watch referees blow their whistles at any sight of contact. To each their own I guess.

That was obviously a joke of a non-call at the end of the first half though. No debating that.

Players will adjust to the officiating as long as they’re consistent. If a game takes three hours and has no flow, so be it, as long as the rules are enforced. Players will either adjust or foul out, whichever comes first. But the game will ultimately end.

A point of emphasis last season was the hand checking, grabbing, clutching. When properly enforced this benefits Iowa tremendously. When not enforced, teams like RU and MSU flourish. I didn’t think it was that surprising.

 

[Fighter of the Nightman]

Why would Illinois fans have complained about your physical play at home? Lol, we haven’t played you in the Communist Party of NJ’s headquarters, I mean the RAC.

 

[pocha444444]

Players will adjust to the officiating as long as they’re consistent. If a game takes three hours and has no flow, so be it, as long as the rules are enforced. Players will either adjust or foul out, whichever comes first. But the game will ultimately end.

A point of emphasis last season was the hand checking, grabbing, clutching. When properly enforced this benefits Iowa tremendously. When not enforced, teams like RU and MSU flourish. I didn’t think it was that surprising.

Sure, enforce the rules, but you can't just look at the foul can't at half (4-3) and determine that there were a bunch of missed calls. Maybe there were a couple, but I didn't notice anything egregious being missed (outside of the end of the half obviously). College refs are notorious for blowing their whistle (for a foul, travel, etc.) when there in fact isn't anything there. I'm fine with them erring on the side of not blowing their whistle unless they are sure they saw something, and not just assuming they saw something.

 

[StarHawk]

I thought the Refs are supposed to filter out the flopping acts this year...Harper got rewarded with at least two and they were so obvious that they were just bad acting too. He's hardly touched in both cases. The out of bounds one was so phony it's funny as he is about to step out of bounds...he launches himself like doing a belly flop into a swimming pool.

 

[iahawks10]

Sure, enforce the rules, but you can't just look at the foul can't at half (4-3) and determine that there were a bunch of missed calls. Maybe there were a couple, but I didn't notice anything egregious being missed (outside of the end of the half obviously). College refs are notorious for blowing their whistle (for a foul, travel, etc.) when there in fact isn't anything there. I'm fine with them erring on the side of not blowing their whistle unless they are sure they saw something, and not just assuming they saw something.

You’ll get no argument here on CBB refs anticipating calls.

Harper jumping out of bounds I already mentioned, but I thought was awful. It almost appeared that the ref was caught in an “oh shit” moment.

Another call I didn’t agree with was the travel on Pemsl. I could see how it was called as he slid his stationary foot slightly. Much worse, from both sides, went uncalled. RU had at least two obvious travels uncalled in the last four or five minutes of the game.

 

[pocha444444]

You’ll get no argument here on CBB refs anticipating calls.

Harper jumping out of bounds I already mentioned, but I thought was awful. It almost appeared that the ref was caught in an “oh shit” moment.

Another call I didn’t agree with was the travel on Pemsl. I could see how it was called as he slid his stationary foot slightly. Much worse, from both sides, went uncalled. RU had at least two obvious travels uncalled in the last four or five minutes of the game.

Agree on the Pemsl call and sounds like we agree overall for the most part. You didn't happen to catch the end of the Purdue/Maryland the other day by chance? In crunch time, missed travel call on Maryland leads to two points, then a non-travel travel call on Purdue the next possession. Then Purdue has to foul, and is clearly giving the foul, but the refs swallow their whistle for a good five seconds. There's no rhyme or reason to their antics sometimes...or maybe all the time idk.

 

[SSG T]

Really interested in this after seeing the nonstop complaining from Minny, PSU, Indiana, and Illinois fans about how physical RU is allowed to play at home. I felt last night’s game was just as physical if not more by both teams on each end. I thought is was a very well refereed game. They let them play a lot and then tightened it up a few times when they had to. There were probably a handful of calls each fan base could complain about but all in all I felt the refs did not impact the outcome. I give them a 9/10.

BTW- Garza is a monster.

Considering how much Michigan fans were complaining after the Iowa loss, and how much people here complain about reffing after a loss, it's pretty much standard in the B1G. That goes back to the reffing in the B1G sucks pretty bad at times and is fairly inconsistent at others.

My only problem last night is how much grabbing and clutching refs allow on the perimeter in the first half, and honestly, both teams were doing it. However, that's not a style that favors Iowa. Now, no one wants to watch games with 50 fouls called, but unless they do that, and do it consistently, the hand checking and grabbing won't stop. And it needs to stop because watching that is horrible.

 

[SSG T]

Players will adjust to the officiating as long as they’re consistent. If a game takes three hours and has no flow, so be it, as long as the rules are enforced. Players will either adjust or foul out, whichever comes first. But the game will ultimately end.

A point of emphasis last season was the hand checking, grabbing, clutching. When properly enforced this benefits Iowa tremendously. When not enforced, teams like RU and MSU flourish. I didn’t think it was that surprising.

And if this is done throughout the season, the fouls will drop because the players will have adjusted.

I mean, I've watch HS teams adjust through a game, if the reffing is consistent, which it rarely is, but that's another thread.

 

[twindman]

No one mentioned the out of bounds off Tousaint. They just got a rebound and Joe went (really) quickly kind of around and knocked the ball downward. The ball goes horizontally out of bounds and on replay right in front of the ref you see it carom off the RU leg.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I like what Rutgers has done but it represents everything that’s wrong with college basketball.

watch a typical Iowa-Michigan game, that’s how basketball is supposed to flow. Not the Rutgers/MSU/Wisconsin grabbing and chucking bullshit.