Iowa Fans - Rate The Refs

[hawkeyeinmo]

If the game would have been called the same way in the second half as it was in the first (no fouls being called) Iowa would have lost. Rutgers is long, athletic and physical, and they are going to get into guys on defense and make the refs call fouls. No harm in that, it's smart by Pikiell. And you can imagine why opposing fans might get upset when playing at Rutgers

Seriously, Pikiell has done a great job putting together a team that plays hard and will likely be even better next year.

They had to change the way they were calling the game in the first half. For cryin out loud Iowa mugged a Rutgers player on purpose 3 times at the end of the half and they all stood there watching. That’s what gets players hurt. Oh, that’s not a foul, guess we’re REALLY going to let him have it if want a foul called. That was a 3 nearly 4 point swing.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

I think it’s a no call. Loose ball, both going for the ball.

Absolutely. It’s kind of funny how refs allow players to leap on top of opposing players for a loose ball on the floor. Somebody just needs to yell “FUMBLE”! The two most blatant bad calls both went against Iowa 1. The no call foul before half and top it off by T’ing up Fran. 2. The loose ball foul. These turned into 5 Rutgers points. Not to mention the time clock difference it made had Iowa been correctly awarded the ball...........I only bitch about the officiating when Iowa wins.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

They are really bitter about how the refs called the game over there. Would think you were reading ISU board. It’s pretty bad over there.

Rutgers fans have been paying attention to big ten basketball for exactly 3 months, so I don’t expect them to understand playing on the road.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

Rutgers shot 21 FT's. Iowa shot 25, including two at the end where they intentionally fouled McCaffery to stop the clock. Seeing as how we're the home team, I wouldn't call that a huge disparity. They had their chances to win the game. They didn't. Live with it.

Actually 4 at the end that were intentional. Both on Connor. Not to mention Rutgers missed a front end or they would have shot 22 FTs. I don’t recall Iowa missing any front ends. Like others have said it’s not the officials job to make sure each team shoots the same # of FTs.

 

[iahawks10]

you definitely watch with an iowa slant . once harper gained control of the ball , which he did before he got bumped a foul on our guy had to be called , otherwise a travel has to be called . you thinking it was one of the worst calls of the year shows me your lack of understanding of the rules .

This is a crock. Go back and rewatch. It was two guys going for a loose ball. Fredrick was the first to put his hand on the ball. Harper comes in a second later and shoulders CJ out causing Fredrick to move towards the RU baseline. Harper gains control of the ball and has no place to go so he flails out of bounds.

It was a terrible call and I guarantee you’re one of the very few saying it was correct. Please tell me you’re not an official. It would however explain why HS refs are regarded as some of the worst though.

You’d call a travel on a player who jumps out of bounds? You’re a special kind of referee aren’t you?

 

[papabeef]

You really believe CJF knocked him off his feet?

no he did not knock him off his feet but he bumped him enough to cause a travel IF you dont calla foul .

 

[papabeef]

The officiating was about typical for the B!G. Home team had a little advantage.

Missing the three intentional fouls on the guy with the ball had to be a decision to let Rutgers get a shot off no matter the play.

The T in the tunnel was pretty thin skinned.

You don't get the best officials every night. Cleaning up this grabbing snatching and pushing play that an above poster described, which really helps MSU and Wisconsin (Rutgers is a new comer). A relatively non physical team like Iowa should be shooting around 40 free throws in the Buck and Sparty games-if it were called even close to square. That's the biggest problem the Big Ten has in BBall.

The Haves get an officiating advantage, always has been and always will be. If the Big Ten could focus on trimming back the thuggish play you get from Wisconsin and MSU (primarily) then a little integrity might be restored. Watch the replay of our home game with Sparty last year. Sparty got four offensive rebounds on a series. They were all over the Hawks backs, hacking at the ball-arms down so it looks like a foul and almost always get called-and finally a guard ran down the baseline and pushed three different Hawks, looked like a WR blocking, to get the ball. Even papabeef would have a hard time explaining that pushing a guy in the back in the open court shouldn't be called. The question is, when the supervisors are watching film, what are they saying?

lol , yes it should be called ........... if it truly happened .

 

[iahawks10]

no he did not knock him off his feet but he bumped him enough to cause a travel IF you dont calla foul .

you really need to watch it again.

 

[MepoDawg#]

no he did not knock him off his feet but he bumped him enough to cause a travel IF you dont calla foul .

No Harper flopped like a fish. He could have stood his ground.

 

[bojihawk44]

Guys, it's @papabeef. He's always wrong and will never admit it. Time to let it go.

 

[Eternal Return]

What do you think Rutgers fans thought when Garza made a bucket early in the game and the play by play guy goes "Garza...thought he got fouled, probably did"?

Iowa fans are insufferable sometimes. The world is not out to get you, I promise. Try watching through a non-black/gold lens once in a while and you'll see what I mean.

Hold on. I thought BTN was trumping up Rutgers for $$$ reasons related to getting a bigger east coast viewing audience. To me, that makes sense from a marketing perspective. It wasn't anti-Iowa so much as it was "Please win more games, Rutgers, because we'll make a ton of money if you become like Michigan State now and in the future!"

So, no, I don't think BTN is out to get Iowa at all. They're just paying attention to the markets where there are the most viewers. Hell, that's why the Big Ten Conference added Rutgers and Maryland in the first place, to get the New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and DC television viewing markets. Just smart business.

 

[pocha444444]

Hold on. I thought BTN was trumping up Rutgers for $$$ reasons related to getting a bigger east coast viewing audience. To me, that makes sense from a marketing perspective. It wasn't anti-Iowa so much as it was "Please win more games, Rutgers, because we'll make a ton of money if you become like Michigan State now and in the future!"

So, no, I don't think BTN is out to get Iowa at all. They're just paying attention to the markets where there are the most viewers. Hell, that's why the Big Ten Conference added Rutgers and Maryland in the first place, to get the New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and DC television viewing markets. Just smart business.

Yeah I know, I think I quoted the wrong person. I was really talking to the person that quoted you originally. I agree on your points above.

 

[Eternal Return]

Yeah I know, I think I quoted the wrong person. I was really talking to the person that quoted you originally. I agree on your points above.

Cool. No worries.

 

[papabeef]

you really need to watch it again.

i did 3 times , you guys need to take off your beer goggles .

 

[iahawks10]

i did 3 times , you guys need to take off your beer goggles .

I don’t believe you could watch that three times and come away with thinking CJ deserved the foul.

So here is the video - 22:10 mark.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

I don’t believe you could watch that three times and come away with thinking CJ deserved the foul.

So here is the video - 22:10 mark.

View embedded media

Very good job iahawks. Point well made and very persuasive evidence.

 

[Hawksfor3]

I don’t believe you could watch that three times and come away with thinking CJ deserved the foul.

So here is the video - 22:10 mark.

View embedded media

Good job. You even got the play where Weezy got whacked at the 11:35 mark, in the second half! No call.

 

[iahawks10]

Good job. You even got the play where Weezy got whacked at the 18:42 mark in the second half! No call.

Pretty clear shove in the back by #22. It’s around the 11:35 mark of the video.

If nothing else, it’s still a fun game to watch again.

 

[papabeef]

I don’t believe you could watch that three times and come away with thinking CJ deserved the foul.

So here is the video - 22:10 mark.

View embedded media

sorry dude no video , but keep trying . this the difference between being qualified and having no beer goggles and being unqualified and wearing beer goggles .

 

[mazda1]

In any game a number of calls will be missed both ways. The replays during the game and the rewatching of the game a number of times gives plenty of ammunition for both sides to complain.

From this fans perspective we saw a hard fought game that showcased great effort from both squads and the youth of both teams should make for interesting matchups in the coming years. There were some inconsistencies from half to half, but it’s not that unusual for refs to tighten calls when the game gets physical and emotions seem to be peaking.

I wish we would spend more time complimenting the players and highlighting their performances instead of bitching about the refs (which I do too at times)

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

If papa beef truly is a ref he must be god awful. I’ve read his posts on here for a couple years and he is wrong more often than not. I recall him actually saying an official has NEVER determined the outcome of a game. When challenged he stood his ground repeating NEVER.

 

[walleye hunter16]

lol , yes it should be called ........... if it truly happened .

If thats the criteria for calling a foul Id love to hear what your explanation of all the non calls during the course of the game.

 

[walleye hunter16]

If papa beef truly is a ref he must be god awful. I’ve read his posts on here for a couple years and he is wrong more often than not. I recall him actually saying an official has NEVER determined the outcome of a game. When challenged he stood his ground repeating NEVER.

Yes, I have read that before as well.
Which by its very mention is ludicrous.
Their are 13 people on the court during play and they ALL have a part in determining the outcome. Its actually the whole reason they are there.

 

[papabeef]

If thats the criteria for calling a foul Id love to hear what your explanation of all the non calls during the course of the game.

i am not sitting here telling you all that refs dont miss calls , they do and some games more than others . when we were trying to foul at the end of the half , 2 of them were looking at the play when JT was trying to foul did not make the call and then missed the travel which led to a bucket for rutgers . should have been easy calls to make and they werent made .

 

[papabeef]

In any game a number of calls will be missed both ways. The replays during the game and the rewatching of the game a number of times gives plenty of ammunition for both sides to complain.

From this fans perspective we saw a hard fought game that showcased great effort from both squads and the youth of both teams should make for interesting matchups in the coming years. There were some inconsistencies from half to half, but it’s not that unusual for refs to tighten calls when the game gets physical and emotions seem to be peaking.

I wish we would spend more time complimenting the players and highlighting their performances instead of bitching about the refs (which I do too at times)

excellent post .

 

[papabeef]

If papa beef truly is a ref he must be god awful. I’ve read his posts on here for a couple years and he is wrong more often than not. I recall him actually saying an official has NEVER determined the outcome of a game. When challenged he stood his ground repeating NEVER.

the problem with you making that assumption is you probably have never reffed a game in your life or taken a test or been evaluated . you have zero knowledge on the rules outside of what announcers tell you while watching TV and they are wrong more often than not . yes i did stand my ground on that statement . missed freethrows , bunnies , turnovers have bigger impact on games than missed calls by officials .

 

[papabeef]

Very good job iahawks. Point well made and very persuasive evidence.

yes it was .... foul on fredericks .

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

the problem with you making that assumption is you probably have never reffed a game in your life or taken a test or been evaluated . you have zero knowledge on the rules outside of what announcers tell you while watching TV and they are wrong more often than not . yes i did stand my ground on that statement . missed freethrows , bunnies , turnovers have bigger impact on games than missed calls by officials .

‘You would be wrong. I have both reffed basketball and umpired high school baseball games. Not to mention coached at the collegiate level for 9 years so I think your assumption I have zero knowledge of the rules is a bit off base. Never assume unless you know and I know enough about to know you are a person of low intelligence.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

In any game a number of calls will be missed both ways. The replays during the game and the rewatching of the game a number of times gives plenty of ammunition for both sides to complain.

From this fans perspective we saw a hard fought game that showcased great effort from both squads and the youth of both teams should make for interesting matchups in the coming years. There were some inconsistencies from half to half, but it’s not that unusual for refs to tighten calls when the game gets physical and emotions seem to be peaking.

I wish we would spend more time complimenting the players and highlighting their performances instead of bitching about the refs (which I do too at times)

Other than the badly missed series at the end of the first half, which would be very difficult to explain as anything other than a really poor job by all three officials, and the T that probably arose from embarrassed officials covering their ass the Rutgers game wasn't a badly officiated game. Don't blame the officials for tightening the game in the second half. Both sides got by with some stuff and some stuff got called...but it was happening to both teams.

The problems with officiating arise when the no calls/bad calls are either disproportionately directed or are strategically timed. Like the 20 minutes Nebraska played with one foul call. That's the really serious problem with the Big Ten. What happens in almost every Michigan State game-now that's a serious problem.

 

[iahawks10]

In any game a number of calls will be missed both ways. The replays during the game and the rewatching of the game a number of times gives plenty of ammunition for both sides to complain.

From this fans perspective we saw a hard fought game that showcased great effort from both squads and the youth of both teams should make for interesting matchups in the coming years. There were some inconsistencies from half to half, but it’s not that unusual for refs to tighten calls when the game gets physical and emotions seem to be peaking.

I wish we would spend more time complimenting the players and highlighting their performances instead of bitching about the refs (which I do too at times)

I’ll just say this because this thread, of course, is long enough.

There is one thread (that I can find) about the refs. There’s plenty complimenting the players and the coaches of both schools. That is well deserved. It was a terrific game like many have been this year. This is no way meant to take away from any of that. If that’s how you or any one else took it, I apologize 100% for my involvement. Again, I don’t see it as that as it’s one thread amongst 100’s complimenting the players/coaches. And it was started by a RU fan asking our opinion.

I get that refs are human and I expect missed calls, bad calls, no calls, inconsistencies, etc.... They are paid professionals, who are compensated pretty nicely. I don’t believe they’re above criticism. I don’t feel one bit bad saying that official sucks or that official (DJ Carstensen) is good. I thought that DJ had a bad game in the Nebraska game. Not because Iowa lost, it was just an out of character game for him. Normally he’s damn good at his job. Those things happen in all of sports. I even said in my initial post, I felt it was an average B1G game. No more, no less. IMO, that call on Fredrick still stands as “one of the worst calls I’ve seen all year.”

 

[papabeef]

‘You would be wrong. I have both reffed basketball and umpired high school baseball games. Not to mention coached at the collegiate level for 9 years so I think your assumption I have zero knowledge of the rules is a bit off base. Never assume unless you know and I know enough about to know you are a person of low intelligence.

surrrreeeee you did , ok wink wink lo

 

[papabeef]

I’ll just say this because this thread, of course, is long enough.

There is one thread (that I can find) about the refs. There’s plenty complimenting the players and the coaches of both schools. That is well deserved. It was a terrific game like many have been this year. This is no way meant to take away from any of that. If that’s how you or any one else took it, I apologize 100% for my involvement. Again, I don’t see it as that as it’s one thread amongst 100’s complimenting the players/coaches. And it was started by a RU fan asking our opinion.

I get that refs are human and I expect missed calls, bad calls, no calls, inconsistencies, etc.... They are paid professionals, who are compensated pretty nicely. I don’t believe they’re above criticism. I don’t feel one bit bad saying that official sucks or that official (DJ Carstensen) is good. I thought that DJ had a bad game in the Nebraska game. Not because Iowa lost, it was just an out of character game for him. Normally he’s damn good at his job. Those things happen in all of sports. I even said in my initial post, I felt it was an average B1G game. No more, no less. IMO, that call on Fredrick still stands as “one of the worst calls I’ve seen all year.”

lol

 

[papabeef]

Other than the badly missed series at the end of the first half, which would be very difficult to explain as anything other than a really poor job by all three officials, and the T that probably arose from embarrassed officials covering their ass the Rutgers game wasn't a badly officiated game. Don't blame the officials for tightening the game in the second half. Both sides got by with some stuff and some stuff got called...but it was happening to both teams.

The problems with officiating arise when the no calls/bad calls are either disproportionately directed or are strategically timed. Like the 20 minutes Nebraska played with one foul call. That's the really serious problem with the Big Ten. What happens in almost every Michigan State game-now that's a serious problem.

lol

 

[denmar81]

sorry dude no video , but keep trying . this the difference between being qualified and having no beer goggles and being unqualified and wearing beer goggles .

Qualified? LOL

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

Qualified? LOL

Yep, in papa’s mind officiating the 5th grade PE class game qualifies him. What a joke this guy is. 99% of his posts are one word or LOL.

 

[papabeef]

Yep, in papa’s mind officiating the 5th grade PE class game qualifies him. What a joke this guy is. 99% of his posts are one word or LOL.

lol lol

 

[iahawks10]

sorry dude no video , but keep trying . this the difference between being qualified and having no beer goggles and being unqualified and wearing beer goggles .

So you haven’t watched it. That’s obvious. Got emmmm

high school ref. lol

 

[papabeef]

So you haven’t watched it. That’s obvious. Got emmmm

high school ref. lol

i could not watch your video last night , it would not load . i have watched the foul on fredricks more than a few times and guess what ????????????????? ................................ i still agree with me , like i said trained me vs untrained you .

 

[iahawks10]

i could not watch your video last night , it would not load . i have watched the foul on fredricks more than a few times and guess what ????????????????? ................................ i still agree with me , like i said trained me vs untrained you .

lol

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

I had the fortune of being an assistant coach to a man who had been inducted into the national junior college hall of fame. Learned a ton from that man. I recall one of the things he said “what makes a good official is not how much he knows the rule book as how good of judgement he shows”. Papa has always shown his poor judgement on this board.