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interesting. It must have been like the 85 bootleg and the coaches instructed CJ not to tell his teammates he was going to keep the rock. KF definitely said in the post game show that BF made the call.

I still have that radio call in a .wav file by Zabel and Podolack on the 'dead bootleg' from that game. Someone used to have those linked somewhere....

"Handoff to Harmon.....and he is NOT going to get in......"
"A BOOTLEG!!!......A BOOTLEG!!! HE'S IN!!!"

"CHUCK LONG!! A BRILLIANT PLAY!!!.........FAKES TO HARMON.......NOBODY SAW HIM....WE DIDN'T SEE HIM....CHUCK LONG....BOOTLEGS THE BALL........AND HE'S IN FOR THE TOUCHDOWN!!!!"
 
CJ has grown tremendously in the past year. The best Ferentz teams have a QB who is aggressive and assertive. We have one this year, and we all see the difference it makes.

I don't think he's there quite yet, but CJ has the talent to be the best Ferentz-era QB and a contender for best ever. I'll copy here something I posted awhile ago:

He's showing he has quite the tool set. I was thinking about this recently. What if you took all the best attributes of the better QBs under Ferentz to make the model QB? I venture to say CJ is that model, just running at maybe 85%. If he keeps improving, then I could definitely see him as a draft prospect. Time will tell.

Specifically, these are the QBs who have led Iowa to above average seasons under KF (since KF's average is 7.something per season, these are 8+ win seasons) and their definitive traits.

Banks - playmaking with his legs
Chandler - cannon of an arm (TDs to Ochoa against ASU and Mich were among the prettiest passes I've seen a Hawk make)
Tate - ballz, and slinging it on the run
Stanzi - leadership and that uncanny ability to win no matter what
Rudock - decision making (the 2013 version, remember?)

I see shadows of all these aspects rolled into one when I watch Beathard play. Like I said, if he can develop to where he's at the same levels as these guys, watch out.
 
CJ has grown tremendously in the past year. The best Ferentz teams have a QB who is aggressive and assertive. We have one this year, and we all see the difference it makes.

I don't think he's there quite yet, but CJ has the talent to be the best Ferentz-era QB and a contender for best ever. I'll copy here something I posted awhile ago:

He's showing he has quite the tool set. I was thinking about this recently. What if you took all the best attributes of the better QBs under Ferentz to make the model QB? I venture to say CJ is that model, just running at maybe 85%. If he keeps improving, then I could definitely see him as a draft prospect. Time will tell.

Specifically, these are the QBs who have led Iowa to above average seasons under KF (since KF's average is 7.something per season, these are 8+ win seasons) and their definitive traits.

Banks - playmaking with his legs
Chandler - cannon of an arm (TDs to Ochoa against ASU and Mich were among the prettiest passes I've seen a Hawk make)
Tate - ballz, and slinging it on the run
Stanzi - leadership and that uncanny ability to win no matter what
Rudock - decision making (the 2013 version, remember?)

I see shadows of all these aspects rolled into one when I watch Beathard play. Like I said, if he can develop to where he's at the same levels as these guys, watch out.

My view on QBs: Banks was cool under pressure, good accuracy up to 15 yards, good legs made LB's focus on Banks more. Note: Banks had Iowa's best line ever in front of him. He had plenty of time to find his receivers, compared to some of these other QB's.

Chandler: Not as talented as CJB, but an above average QB, deceptive ability to run for how tall he was.

Tate: Loved his guts and bravado. Great eluding the sack, especially not having a great line in front of him.

Stanzi: Loved his pocket presence, his determination, his leadership, decent arm.

Ruduck: Average QB, limited ability on the long ball, couldn't hit the RB on the move like CJB can. Nothing spectacular...a "game manager".

CJB: has great accuracy throwing, and especially when he is on the run. Can truly throw all of the passes, especially the timing passes to the running back. I have not seen an Iowa QB as good as CJB on that pass. Strong arm to be able to throw down the field to make the Safties respect him. Above average runner.
 
Banks and CJB are the top two Iowa QBs ever at throwing darts on the run IMO...neither better than the other in this category. Tate 2 b...
 
CJ hasn't made the mistakes that Ricky made and has made better throws. He also has shown the ability to run the ball and his game management has been pretty perfect. I think it is safe to say that he is better than Stanzi and Tate.

Let us just traverse time to realize this:
The 2004 rushing leaders were:
Sam Brownlee with 224 yards on 2.4 ypc
Jermelle Lewis had 200 before injury
Marquis Simmons had under 200
Aaron Mickens the only one left above 100.

Drew Tate was astounding that year.

A little strange that your post defends the claim that CJB is better than Tate by criticizing Stanzi...
 
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Let's just wait and see brain splatter, or whatever your user name is. When it's all said and done WE can have our favorites and you can have yours. Yours are not playing today or is playing in a Michigan uniform.
 
Oh Christ you "fans" are annoying. Feel free to pull up my posts from before the season. Shall we compare?

This wasn't about favorites, it was a claim that he is better. On what grounds? Certainly not statistically.
 
Banks and Stanzi are good comparisons. And the 2 best qb's we've had since CJ. Tate was a level lower than these 3. Definitely didn't have the leadership that these 3 have.
I'm just wondering what your credentials are that makes you believe that you are an authority on leadership and exactly what your criteria is? Banks was a system QB and he played very well within the parameters he was given. Stanzi was held back because he didn't always make the best decisions. Tate, did the most with the least. Despite the fact that we had no running game and no alternative to Tate, Tate somehow did very well. Tate' team did almost as well as we did with Banks and Stanzi who had terrific teams behind them. Statistically, Chuck Hartlieb was better than any of those 3 and C.J. and if I wanted a QB to lead my team on a last drive to win, which is a great way to evaluate a leader, I'd have a hard time choosing between Hartlieb and Long with C.J. a distant third. And, I only have age and wisdom to help form my opinion which, unlike your, is not definitive..
 
Banks and Stanzi are good comparisons. And the 2 best qb's we've had since CJ. Tate was a level lower than these 3. Definitely didn't have the leadership that these 3 have.

Tate had KF micro managing him. Beathard has luxury of New Kirk and Brian Ferentz breathing life to offense that has been stagnant most of KF's time at IOwa.

Senior year, Tate didn't have a defense and didn't have decent receivers and he was injured. We saw last year in Bowl game vs Tennessee, you don't have a defense then it doesn't matter who is QB.

The thing that sets Tate, and beathard apart is they were play makers and could make plays when team needed it. Rudock was good check down guy, but when you needed a play on 3rd and 10, he would dump it for 5 yards and we would punt. Vandenberg was a less productive Rudock.
 
I attended my first Hawkeye game in 1977. I was lucky enough to see Long play in person. Seen Harlieb, Matt Rodgers, Banks, Tate, Chandler, and now CJ. CJ is in my opinion in the top 5 over the last 30 years. As stated before, he is a special combination that has a cannon arm, very mobile, good decision maker and good leader. But Long was the most accurate passer I have ever seen at Iowa. And he would be my choice for QB leading the late game drive for the win. Will be interesting to see how CJ does over the rest of this year and hopefully stays healthy next year. Next year could be another special year if he stays healthy.
 
CJ has grown tremendously in the past year.

No he really hasn't, the proof is on the tape.

Evidence is the 2nd half of the 2014 Pitt game and the last drive of the Minnesota 2014 game.

The only thing that changed between last year and this year is that he is on the field instead of on the bench.
 
CJ is completing 60%, averaging around 7.6 ypa, around 200 yards per game, 10 td 3 interceptions on the year.

I like CJ and over the next 4 weeks he can add himself to the discussion but right now he is clearly behind Banks, Stanzi and Tate.
 
No he really hasn't, the proof is on the tape.

Evidence is the 2nd half of the 2014 Pitt game and the last drive of the Minnesota 2014 game.

The only thing that changed between last year and this year is that he is on the field instead of on the bench.


I would agree that CJ has not grown from a physical standpoint. He's always had a big arm. He's always had the athletic ability to make great throws on the run, and to use his legs to escape pressure.

However, what the coaches talk about with CJ maturing is his understanding of the playbook, his leadership in practice and the huddle, and his ability to make good decisions with the football.

My question to you would be: how can you possibly know that CJ hasn't grown in these intangible aspects of the game? Do you know what audibles the coaches want CJ to make at the line? By all accounts he has been terrific this year of getting us into the right plays, and that was also a big reason why Jake had the edge over CJ last year. How do you know CJ has not improved in this area? Did you witness CJ's preparation for practices last year versus this year? Do you know that he was the same leader last year as he has been this year? Finally, CJ has very rarely made a mental mistake with the football this year and he is a big reason we are one of the best in the Big 10 in turnover margin. He's only thrown 3 interceptions in 241 attempts. Last year he had two interceptions in 92 attempts, which is not bad, but is almost twice the rate of interceptions per attempt as this year - and last year there were many other throws that were questionable decisions. You don't believe he has improved his decision making with the ball in his hands?
 
I would agree that CJ has not grown from a physical standpoint. He's always had a big arm. He's always had the athletic ability to make great throws on the run, and to use his legs to escape pressure.

However, what the coaches talk about with CJ maturing is his understanding of the playbook, his leadership in practice and the huddle, and his ability to make good decisions with the football.

My question to you would be: how can you possibly know that CJ hasn't grown in these intangible aspects of the game? Do you know what audibles the coaches want CJ to make at the line? By all accounts he has been terrific this year of getting us into the right plays, and that was also a big reason why Jake had the edge over CJ last year. How do you know CJ has not improved in this area? Did you witness CJ's preparation for practices last year versus this year? Do you know that he was the same leader last year as he has been this year? Finally, CJ has very rarely made a mental mistake with the football this year and he is a big reason we are one of the best in the Big 10 in turnover margin. He's only thrown 3 interceptions in 241 attempts. Last year he had two interceptions in 92 attempts, which is not bad, but is almost twice the rate of interceptions per attempt as this year - and last year there were many other throws that were questionable decisions. You don't believe he has improved his decision making with the ball in his hands?

gobbledygook....all that talk is coach speak for "we had really super duper good reasons we sat our best QB last season, please believe us!"

Go back and read the post game 2014 Pittsburgh press conference.

CJ didn't play because KF wanted Jake to be his guy, period. everything else is revisionist crap.
 
CJ is completing 60%, averaging around 7.6 ypa, around 200 yards per game, 10 td 3 interceptions on the year.

I like CJ and over the next 4 weeks he can add himself to the discussion but right now he is clearly behind Banks, Stanzi and Tate.

But this year has clearly been a team effort with outstanding plays in every aspect. It has been fun, will continue to be fun, and I hope he leaves here undefeated. We have had multiple running backs with 100 yard games, two running backs with 200 yard games, and the team was able to win one while CJ threw for 80 yards. This has been the definition of a TEAM season.
 
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CJ is completing 60%, averaging around 7.6 ypa, around 200 yards per game, 10 td 3 interceptions on the year.

I like CJ and over the next 4 weeks he can add himself to the discussion but right now he is clearly behind Banks, Stanzi and Tate.

You don't need the next 4 weeks. It is not about the numbers it is about his talent as a QB.
 
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But this year has clearly been a team effort with outstanding plays in every aspect. It has been fun, will continue to be fun, and I hope he leaves here undefeated. We have had multiple running backs with 100 yard games, two running backs with 200 yard games, and the team was able to win one while CJ threw for 80 yards. This has been the definition of a TEAM season.

Agreed 100%.
 
If you can't see he has elevated his play you are blind.

Interesting are you saying he elevated his game from the 2014 Pitt game? He sure looked damn good in that game to me! You wouldn't have known that if you asked the HEAD COACH though. I guess he did incomplete 1 whole pass so yeah you got me, I'm blind.
 
Interesting are you saying he elevated his game from the 2014 Pitt game? He sure looked damn good in that game to me! You wouldn't have known that if you asked the HEAD COACH though. I guess he did incomplete 1 whole pass so yeah you got me, I'm blind.

One half does not a season make.
 
One half does not a season make.
against purdue his receivers dropped 7 or 8 passes that hit them in the hands in the first half. despite the poor receiver play CJ led 4 scoring drives and 2 more drives that ended inside Purdue's 10 yard line when they went for it on 4th down and did not convert.

that's 6 scoring drives in my book if they take the extra point FG's in his first start. that is damn good. but again, you wouldn't have heard that out of the Head Coach. he had his favorite to promote and install back into the lineup.

KF did not treat CJB fair last year and he nearly left the damn program. if some of you can't get that through your thick skulls i can't help you.

thank God some folks stood up to Kirk including CJ's father.
 
against purdue his receivers dropped 7 or 8 passes that hit them in the hands in the first half. despite the poor receiver play CJ led 4 scoring drives and 2 more drives that ended inside Purdue's 10 yard line when they went for it on 4th down and did not convert.

that's 6 scoring drives in my book if they take the extra point FG's in his first start. that is damn good. but again, you wouldn't have heard that out of the Head Coach. he had his favorite to promote and install back into the lineup.

KF did not treat CJB fair last year and he nearly left the damn program. if some of you can't get that through your thick skulls i can't help you.

thank God some folks stood up to Kirk including CJ's father.


Do you think it matters how players perform in practices? Do you think it matters how much time players spend watching film, studying the playbook, and in the weight room? If you do not believe these things matter, then we can end the discussion at that; we'll just have to agree to disagree.

However, if you do believe those things matter, then my question (as I asked before) is: do you have knowledge about how CJ performed in practice, how well he knew the playbook, or how well he commanded the huddle last year?

Part of the culture of Iowa football (when we have excelled under Ferentz) is having a team full of hard working players. In order to produce that culture, sometimes coaches need to sit more physically gifted players if they are not doing well in practice, do not know the playbook, and/or do not demonstrate strong leadership qualities. If this weren't the case, then the most physically gifted players would have little incentive to work as hard as less physically gifted players because they know that they will still play regardless of how much effort they put into practice, studying the playbook, or watching gamefilm.

With that said, I think everyone can agree that it is obvious CJ is more physically gifted than Jake ever was. This was true from the moment he stepped on campus. However, what those outside of the football program don't know is how CJ performed in practice, whether he had a thorough understanding of offensive and defensive schemes, and whether he demonstrated intangible qualities that you look for in a leader.

From what we have heard from the coaches is that CJ has made tremendous strides in these intangible qualities, and that they are impressed with his quick maturation into a team leader. You don't seem believe them because you say this is just coach-speak. In certain situations, I would be inclined to agree with you. Coaches are careful with what they disclose to the media, and you can't take everything they say at face value. So in this situation, if we assume for hypothetical purposes that the coaches are wrong to say that CJ has matured since being named the starter, that means that he was (1) the most physically gifted QB on the team last year, and (2) he was as good of a leader (or better) than Jake and knew the playbook just as well (or better), and displayed that he could make as good of decisions with the ball as Jake (or better), and the coaches still chose to sit him.

Under such an assumption, there are only two possible reasons why the coaches would have sat CJ: (1) they were playing favorites, or (2) they are incompetent. All of these coaches have their jobs and reputation on the line if they don't win. I find it hard to believe that any of these coaches would jeopardize their jobs and reputations by playing favorites. Moreover, if they would play favorites to the extent it would jeopardize winning football games, then that would then essentially lead one to conclude that they are incompetent at their jobs (i.e., winning football games). Obviously these coaches are not infallible. They make mistakes like anyone else. Since 2009, the results at Iowa have not been good. However, we have still gone to bowl games in 4 out of 5 seasons since then and have produced many NFL players. Kirk and his staff have finished in the top 10 four different times while at Iowa and have won two Big 10 championships. Incompetent coaches do not stumble into that kind of success, even with a lot of luck. Kirk may not be the best coach in the country, or in the Big 10, but given his track record, I think it is safe to say he is a good coach.

In summary, this does not mean that Kirk necessarily made the right decision to start Rudock last year. However, it is safe to say that Kirk had rational reasons for starting Rudock, and the decision is not as black and white as many portray it to be. There is little reason to disbelieve the coaches when they say CJ has matured tremendously in the last 11 months. To disbelieve this notion is to essentially believe that a team from Iowa ranked 5th in the country was assembled by a group of incompetent coaches. I find that theory far-fetched.
 
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So you concede you have no knowledge about how well CJ commanded a
hunh?

Do you think it matters how players perform in practices?
Of course I do, but not nearly to the extent that the head coach claims it matters. Practices are by nature a controlled environment meant to simulate game play and game situations, but it isn't as valuable as live game performance, game performance is much much more valuable. (Nick Saban agrees with this and said so publicly when discussing his QB controversy to begin this season. he said something to the effect of....well i've only seen them in practice, I won't know what i have in them until they get out on the field and perform.) The determination of whether someone does well in practice is also subjective, and considering I'm not allowed to see practices i don't have that information to base my opinions on.

What the coach is really trying to tell us by using this ploy is "we see them, you don't, trust us we know what we are doing" well i'm sorry, but year after year i see instances of the coach exercise poor judgment so i don't just implicitly trust his judgment as so many around here do.

Do you think it matters how much time players spend watching film, studying the playbook, and in the weight room?
Sure, again, this is entirely subjective. I'm guessing not all the coaches agreed on the subject (KF vs. GD) for example, prior to the season GD clearly stated we had a two QB race and that we would see both QB's play significant and meaningful playing time. We never heard from him again and CJ did not get significant and meaningful playing time until and only because Jake got hurt.

However, if you do believe those things matter, then my question (as I asked before) is: do you have knowledge about how CJ performed in practice, how well he knew the playbook, or how well he commanded the huddle last year?

No, and again I must submit that game performance is more important than being the smartest QB with a weak arm and slow feet. Everyone agrees now that CJ commands the huddle and Jake did not last year and that is part of why he lost his job. So we know that this criteria is not why CJ didn't play last year. thanks for helping to validate my belief that Jake played almost entirely due to favoritism.

With that said, I think everyone can agree that it is obvious CJ is more physically gifted than Jake ever was.

yeah, we can all see that NOW, that he is, you know, actually playing!
If KF had his way Jake would still be here, he would still be the #1 QB, and CJ would still be on the bench!

From what we have heard from the coaches is that CJ has made tremendous strides in these intangible qualities,
gobbledygook

So in this situation, if we assume for hypothetical purposes that the coaches are wrong to say that CJ has matured since being named the starter, that means that he was (1) the most physically gifted QB on the team last year, and (2) he was as good of a leader (or better) than Jake and knew the playbook just as well (or better), and displayed that he could make as good of decisions with the ball as Jake (or better), and the coaches still chose to sit him.
i submit this to be true due to the 2014 post pittsburgh game interview Kirk Ferentz freely gave. it had nothing to do with competition or CJ's inability to play and had everything to do with promoting his chose player to keep his ordained role on the team. KF did not want CJ as his starting QB last year. period. no matter "intangibles" no matter practice, no matter ability. that interview was as close to honest about the situation as Kirk would be publicly.

Under such an assumption, there are only two possible reasons why the coaches would have sat CJ: (1) they were playing favorites, or (2) they are incompetent.
Kirk has said on multiple occasions that he isn't the smartest guy out there. it seems he would agree with this sentiment at least some. how many other head coaches get beat on 7 or 8 fake kick-offs or punts in a row? not many i dont think.

All of these coaches have their jobs and reputation on the line if they don't win.
Not Kirk Ferentz, he had/has a golden contract.

I find it hard to believe that any of these coaches would jeopardize their jobs and reputations by playing favorites.
Is there any truth to the allegation that KOK had to scream at KF to get him to start Stanzi? is there any truth to the allegation that GD and KF got in heated arguments about Jake & CJ? these suggest to me that KF doesn't quite feel the heat of his decisions as maybe his other coaches do.

and have won two Big 10 championships. Incompetent coaches do not stumble into that kind of success, even with a lot of luck. Kirk may not be the best coach in the country, or in the Big 10, but given his track record, I think it is safe to say he is a good coach.
2004 was a long time ago and that entire staff is gone. I think it's safe to say he had some damn fine assistant coaches starting with Norm Parker.

In summary, this does not mean that Kirk necessarily made the right decision to start Rudock last year. However, it is safe to say that Kirk had rational reasons for starting Rudock, and the decision is not as black and white as many portray it to be.
there were rationalizations, sure. some accept them, other don't. that's fine.

There is little reason to disbelieve the coaches when they say CJ has matured tremendously in the last 11 months.
his ability to throw hasn't changed much, his ability to run hasn't changed much, he has always been talked about as a leader so that didn't change either. (all the players who said the leadership was "missing" from Jake last year) so it suggests leadership was not a trait Ferentz really valued. (ie, he played the guy who was said to lack leadership and benched the guy who everyone agrees that leadership is a strong quality)

To disbelieve this notion is to essentially believe that a team from Iowa ranked 5th in the country was assembled by a group of incompetent coaches. I find that theory far-fetched.
i think this is very conveniently tied to having a damn fine QB under center. same bozo coaches.
 
bottom line, if you want me to think you are doofus and make bad decisions on who to play:

promote Martin-Manley over a guy like Derek Willies.
promote Weisman over a back like Akrum Wadley.
promote a guy like Jake over CJ Beathard.

and perhaps worst of all: don't recruit a guy like David Johnson.

forget about it. i will not be ABLE to trust your judgment on players any more.
 
So to summarize your views, Phenomenally Frantastic:
  • You are in a better position to judge who should be the starting QB despite not knowing:
    • Which QB performs better in practice
    • Which QB knows the playbook better
    • How the QB's interact with other players and coaches behind closed doors
  • You know CJ should have started last year, based on game performance (because practice performance is too subjective), in spite of the fact that Jake had a better completion percentage, more yards per attempt, and a better TD/Interception ratio (i.e., objective stats).
  • You don't believe Kirk Ferentz cares about job security or his reputation and instead plays players based on who he personally likes more
  • Kirk Ferentz's success is only because of his assistant coaches - and you point out that he has had great success with an entirely new set of assistants (which would seem to suggest there's a common denominator to which we could attribute success).
  • All the players said CJ was a leader last year and that Jake was not (I have not seen any quotes that would suggest this)
  • The coaches are, in fact, incompetent and have magically stumbled into producing a top 5 team with players they recruited and coached.
I have neither the time, nor crayons, to explain to you how flawed your beliefs are. We will just have to agree to disagree.
 
Do you think it matters how players perform in practices? Do you think it matters how much time players spend watching film, studying the playbook, and in the weight room? If you do not believe these things matter, then we can end the discussion at that; we'll just have to agree to disagree.

However, if you do believe those things matter, then my question (as I asked before) is: do you have knowledge about how CJ performed in practice, how well he knew the playbook, or how well he commanded the huddle last year?

Part of the culture of Iowa football (when we have excelled under Ferentz) is having a team full of hard working players. In order to produce that culture, sometimes coaches need to sit more physically gifted players if they are not doing well in practice, do not know the playbook, and/or do not demonstrate strong leadership qualities. If this weren't the case, then the most physically gifted players would have little incentive to work as hard as less physically gifted players because they know that they will still play regardless of how much effort they put into practice, studying the playbook, or watching gamefilm.

With that said, I think everyone can agree that it is obvious CJ is more physically gifted than Jake ever was. This was true from the moment he stepped on campus. However, what those outside of the football program don't know is how CJ performed in practice, whether he had a thorough understanding of offensive and defensive schemes, and whether he demonstrated intangible qualities that you look for in a leader.

From what we have heard from the coaches is that CJ has made tremendous strides in these intangible qualities, and that they are impressed with his quick maturation into a team leader. You don't seem believe them because you say this is just coach-speak. In certain situations, I would be inclined to agree with you. Coaches are careful with what they disclose to the media, and you can't take everything they say at face value. So in this situation, if we assume for hypothetical purposes that the coaches are wrong to say that CJ has matured since being named the starter, that means that he was (1) the most physically gifted QB on the team last year, and (2) he was as good of a leader (or better) than Jake and knew the playbook just as well (or better), and displayed that he could make as good of decisions with the ball as Jake (or better), and the coaches still chose to sit him.

Under such an assumption, there are only two possible reasons why the coaches would have sat CJ: (1) they were playing favorites, or (2) they are incompetent. All of these coaches have their jobs and reputation on the line if they don't win. I find it hard to believe that any of these coaches would jeopardize their jobs and reputations by playing favorites. Moreover, if they would play favorites to the extent it would jeopardize winning football games, then that would then essentially lead one to conclude that they are incompetent at their jobs (i.e., winning football games). Obviously these coaches are not infallible. They make mistakes like anyone else. Since 2009, the results at Iowa have not been good. However, we have still gone to bowl games in 4 out of 5 seasons since then and have produced many NFL players. Kirk and his staff have finished in the top 10 four different times while at Iowa and have won two Big 10 championships. Incompetent coaches do not stumble into that kind of success, even with a lot of luck. Kirk may not be the best coach in the country, or in the Big 10, but given his track record, I think it is safe to say he is a good coach.

In summary, this does not mean that Kirk necessarily made the right decision to start Rudock last year. However, it is safe to say that Kirk had rational reasons for starting Rudock, and the decision is not as black and white as many portray it to be. There is little reason to disbelieve the coaches when they say CJ has matured tremendously in the last 11 months. To disbelieve this notion is to essentially believe that a team from Iowa ranked 5th in the country was assembled by a group of incompetent coaches. I find that theory far-fetched.

You'll never get anywhere in an argument with Mr. Frantastic here, his disdain for KF is just too strong. When Iowa doesn't meet his expectations it's KF's fault, and when they are successful it's despite KF's failures.
 
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