Kem is way better than Teasdale will likely be as a true freshman. I really don’t think Teasdale will be able to keep it remotely close.
I see it 5-5 with Iowa winning on bonus, so let's hope it happens. It would be a great dual to watch. I really do believe Iowa can win. If Kemmer goes up to 174 he can beat Hall. Kemmer is the perfect style to knock Hall off just like Valencia and Lugo will hammer Berge. Sorry, PSU fan, but the streak is coming to an end this year at the NCAA's and to think this team will only graduate one starter off of next year's team, while PSU graduates some real points. The shift has started, because I think PSU has done an incredible job on picking the right guys and they have panned out, but I think they have recently missed on a few big ones that will not continue the streak. They will be good, but not as good as they were coming out of high school and I also think the weights are not going to go their way as well. Sorry, but the pendulum has swung and it looks good for the Hawkeyes moving forward and if not this next year, for sure the next, but the sands are shifting and it feels so good.... As a fan you can laugh, scoff or write whatever on this board, but in reality you can see it happening and as Terry would say--you're squirming in that chair, you're squirming in that chair.
Neverevershoot nevills will never beat Stoll again - Stoll will just push him oob for a few easy points. Probably pin Nevershoot
Why so hostile? There are several PSU fan-posters here who are only making life interesting for all of us between seasons. Sit back and enjoy the conversation. It's sports entertainment.
Next year's Hodge is going to make for some interesting discussion.
Hall should pray that Zahid moves up and hope that The Dawg does not have his day.
On top of that good info, if Nolf has a really good nationals next year, he will likely rank 5th-7th all time in scoring at nationals. Tying or just behind DT, and ahead of Ruth and Zain in the top ten. So yeah, he has an argument for all time best at PSU, but it would be hard to pick among those four. It's hard to be much better than 2-1-1-1.
Interesting question. Based on past Hodge history, if things are close enough, there seems to be an element of "distinguished career" in the voters minds that doesn't appear in the criteria since it's a single year award. To me and based off past performance, I'd think Nolf and Lee are going to be 1a and 1b in the discussion, with Nickal 2. That assumes all three are undefeated. Nolf and Nickal would both be 2-1-1-1 bonus machines, and eligible for that wink/nod distinguished career edge. I expect Lee to be slightly higher than either Nolf and Nickal on the bonus points criteria, but like I said, voters will look at Lee and say he has two more years left to win it, so we're going to pick among the two departing three time champs. We all know that may happen.
This is true. Hall is a 174, but on the small side when you take into account weight addition after weigh-ins. He just doesn't have the frame for too much extra weight. This has been discussed from day one when his redshirt was pulled.
We can agree to disagree on this one, but time will tell and I do think Kemmer will beat Hall and I wouldn't bet on Kemmer being small. I also agree that Hall is not young nor is he inexperienced for his "age." I'm not implying he did anything wrong, but he went to Kentucky from Michigan so that he could compete in the easiest state that allows 7th graders to compete in high school. After placing 2nd as a true 7th grader, he moved to MN to repeat 7th grade and have another shot at a state title in his red shirt 7th grade year and to have a chance at 6 high school state titles. How many high school kids had a shot at 7 state finals during what is typically a 4-year high school career, so he was as old as can be coming out of high school and after the high school season ended each Feb. in MN, he moved again and lived at the OTC through August before returning to MN, so he's also very experienced for his age, since he's been going to the OTC all through high school for part of each year. Mark Hall is a great wrestler and to finish in the top two for anybody at anytime is an incredible accomplishment, but I believe that Kemmer, if at the same weight, will win and by the way, Kemmer is a pretty good scrambler himself. I might be wrong, you might be right, but I like the match-up. I also like the fact that Kemmer had a typical high school career and is still progressing from being in a better room with better coaches.
He may indeed be better than Hall as well. The two are not mutually exclusive propositions. No one is cutting Zahid down. He won the title fair and square.
That's like reminding you that Taylor lost to Dake every time they wrestled. Iowa fans are well aware of Bo Nickal. Just sayin...
Progressing in a better room, with better coaches? How many PSUers has he beaten?
Thanks IAChief32, you are correct, this was not about PSU. What I was saying is that Kemmer went to a fine high school and had a good club program, but not nearly as good as he has it now in his college room at Iowa. The step up in coaching and partners is much greater for Kemmer, actually for almost anybody than Hall who was training at Apple Valley HS, where during his time there they had about 5 former college wrestlers on the coaching staff for the HS school season and then the remainder of the year Hall was on-line schooling and getting coached by our National Coaching Staff and living in Colorado and wrestling with National team members and post graduate guys, while he was still in high school. I was just saying that I believe that Hall went to PSU really, really well coached and already a great wrestler and I don't think he has as much future growth as a guy like Kemmer who went the more traditional path in high school. No criticism of PSU, just a comment on the unique path Hall traveled that I don't believe any other prep kid has ever done.
You could very well be correct. However, since he was defending his position that Kemerer would beat Hall and concluded with the progression from being in a better room with better coaches it wasn't how I read it.
