Totally fine, but still makes you a bad teammate. Like I said, kind of like Spencer missing NCAAs for that AD interview. Good for him chasing his dream, leaves his team who depends on him completely hanging.
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High school playoffs or Junior Nationals, hmmmmmm.
I think one looks a little better on your resume than the other. Jim Mullens out of NJ skipped his high school state wrestling tournament to go to UWW world qualifier. You think his teammates are butt hurt about it? Big Jim is representing team USA at cadet worlds @ HWT
I was trying to win medals for my team, Team Iowa just like Keuter is. He'd be letting down a lot more peers by skipping fargo than baseball.
Also, these days, Fargo is one of but definitely not the main tournament anymore. The UWW age groups and Super 32 are more important for off season events.
You 100% miss the playoffs of a sport #3 to attend the national championships of sport #1.
No, it makes him an intelligent person. Missing a game that will have no long-term effect on one’s life in order to attend an event that could have a huge long-term effect is a smart choice. Doing otherwise would make him a stupid teammate. A much better analogy would be Spencer choosing to participate in a Pokémon tournament (no long-term impact) instead of attending NCAAs (huge long-term impact).
Weirdest take I've seen yet.
If you don't know all the variables, best not to comment or judge.
Back to topic. Crab can go back to pissing off the clown fanatics board.
Dru Ayala lost again. Down 1-0 got flipped up in a whizzer and fall called.
Dru Ayala lost again. Down 1-0 got flipped up in a whizzer and fall called.
Crablegs you’re an idiot calling Keuter a bad teammate and none of your justifications were any good. Post less. BTW good thread here gonna have to hit crabby with the ignore. Ha.
Responsibilty to your teammates? LOL! It's 2021, the MEFIRST Generation arrived years ago, and that attitude is long gone for many ( and sadly IMO). Look no further than all the guys who opt out of Football Bowl Games because of the .000001% chance they'll get a debilitating injury prior to the NFL Draft - @Noah Fant locally for starters (but yet many others in the same position stick it out to the end regardless, so some still "get it").
With the NIL in place, we'll probably have guys opt out of the NCAA Tournament (any sport), with the off chance they'll hurt their autograph signing hand for the following NCAA season, but I digress.
But in this particular case (Kueter) I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest this was all known by all parties at the beginning of the Baseball Season, and they said Okie Dokie, be there when you can if we make any kind of run in the Playoffs. If that's the case, then I have no problem with it, and it likely weighs on the kid to some degree I suspect.
What if the Pokémon tournament had a million dollar prize?
If Spencer thinks his best future is in Pokémon then sure. Idk what kind of baseball player Keuter is, but I’m guessing he thinks his future is more in wrestling than baseball. Not to mention he had very few chances to compete in wrestling this year. If he talked to the coach about it ahead of time, I see no issue with it.
I’m a bit surprised by some of your takes here, and I imagine if it was the same situation and and Iowa wrestler missing NCAAs, or a basketball player missing the NCAA tournament you’d all have different opinions.
Maybe I’m the old curmudgeon in this situation, but I do think being a part of a team requires some level of responsibility to be there for your teammates. To me, that responsibility is strongest when the team has the most on the line. Clearly everyone else disagrees and that’s fine.
Maybe I’m the old curmudgeon in this situation, but I do think being a part of a team requires some level of responsibility to be there for your teammates. To me, that responsibility is strongest when the team has the most on the line. Clearly everyone else disagrees and that’s fine.
Now these guys are examples of good teammates who support their team no matter what.
A well-fed University of Iowa football coach told me the story this way. A recent University of Iowa football recruit was attending a mandatory NCAA classroom, signing the requisite NCAA/university documents prior to the start of football practice. The recruit receives a text message, while in the classroom, indicating a MLB contract offer.
A difficult, complicated decision to make. The recruit, his family, advisor and University of Iowa athletic/compliance staff discussed this situation for several days. Current rules allow for an athlete to participate a NCAA sanction sport, and receive a financial compensation for participation (professional) in a different sport.
Allegiance to a specific sport, and fidelity teammates surrenders now and then to practicality. Thank God for the NCAA? Well, sometimes.
Drake Ayala versus Vincent Robinson could be the match of the tournament. Ayala won an earlier meeting, but Robinson tweaked an ankle early in first period. Hampered his mobility, difficulty sprawling/hip-heist. But Robinson definitely in on Ayala with single and sweep-single, over and over again. Things do change and I may be in front of the game, but this should be exciting.
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I would disagree as long as it’s an agreed upon thing between him and his team/coaches…which it is. Coach likely made the decision that it was best to have him play some games vs none at all. I have a nephew in the same situation but the coach made a different call so the kid chose wrestling.
So I guess you’re the guy who would skip going to work and risk getting fired rather than be a bad teammate by missing your Thursday night softball game
If going to Fargo had any impact on his livelihood this might be a relevant comparison.
Round of 16
106 Connor Fiser (Iowa) VFO Toby Billerman (Indiana)
120Christian Tanefeu (North Dakota) VSU Garret Rinken (Iowa), 10-0 0:45
126 Drake Ayala (Iowa) VSU1 William Baysingar (Illinois), 12-2 2:43
126 Gable Porter (Iowa) VSU1 Samuel Cartella (Ohio), 15-5 5:42
132 Nic Bouzakis (Pennsylvania) VSU Ryder Block (Iowa), 10-0 1:23 Nic is beast
145 Caleb Rathjen (Iowa) VSU Sam Mcmonagle (Pennsylvania), 11-0 0:51
106 Connor Fiser (Iowa) VFO Toby Billerman (Indiana)
120Christian Tanefeu (North Dakota) VSU Garret Rinken (Iowa), 10-0 0:45
126 Drake Ayala (Iowa) VSU1 William Baysingar (Illinois), 12-2 2:43
126 Gable Porter (Iowa) VSU1 Samuel Cartella (Ohio), 15-5 5:42
132 Nic Bouzakis (Pennsylvania) VSU Ryder Block (Iowa), 10-0 1:23 Nic is beast
145 Caleb Rathjen (Iowa) VSU Sam Mcmonagle (Pennsylvania), 11-0 0:51
Lmao, it does moran. He's wrestling for thousands in scholarship money right now.
You're a crappy poster. That's all I'm saying.
Good job highjacking the thread ahole.
Crablegs... you are dumb.... I would love to hear your reasoning (with logic) not just a "this feels right" kind of explanation. What situation would you approve of as a moral leading human? I am open to hearing this, if there is a shred of logic involved. But if you are saying, its just a personal opinion that you would have your child miss Fargo, then hey, we all parent differently
P.S. I would say 75% chance of football in college (Keuter). You would be impressed (or maybe not) with the offers that already exist and the convos that have occurred. I know I am
Regarding the officiating....so some of yall will get this inference, but I have officiated UWW trials, Cadet and Jr Duals, and Northern Plains, all this year...not ONCE was the merkel was called a takedown. Perhaps this was called by a coach who was assisting in officiating during a weekend tournament? In the rules meeting at EVERY SINGLE tournament, this is clarified. Now, regarding exposing your own back... maybe you have watched something overseas that I have not... but I have OFFERED this and it was paddled overseas.....so I think the statement of "it has happened" versus "you would never see it" is more appropriate.... just saying. Usually blanket statements are rarely accurate, but hey, what do I know
P.S. I would say 75% chance of football in college (Keuter). You would be impressed (or maybe not) with the offers that already exist and the convos that have occurred. I know I am
Regarding the officiating....so some of yall will get this inference, but I have officiated UWW trials, Cadet and Jr Duals, and Northern Plains, all this year...not ONCE was the merkel was called a takedown. Perhaps this was called by a coach who was assisting in officiating during a weekend tournament? In the rules meeting at EVERY SINGLE tournament, this is clarified. Now, regarding exposing your own back... maybe you have watched something overseas that I have not... but I have OFFERED this and it was paddled overseas.....so I think the statement of "it has happened" versus "you would never see it" is more appropriate.... just saying. Usually blanket statements are rarely accurate, but hey, what do I know
Tate N vs IL just got heated. IL kid injured twice for gasser. The ref at the table was a bitch.
160 Aiden Riggins (Iowa) VSU Collin Mccorkle (Pennsylvania), 11-0 3:53
170 Caden Ernd (Illinois) VPO1 Tate Naaktgeboren (Iowa), 8-6
195 Wyatt Voelker (Iowa) VPO Blake Jouret (Kansas), 8-0
170 Caden Ernd (Illinois) VPO1 Tate Naaktgeboren (Iowa), 8-6
195 Wyatt Voelker (Iowa) VPO Blake Jouret (Kansas), 8-0
Tate N got hosed. Got him self in trouble forcing a turn but came out down 1. Illinois kid took 2 pathetic fake injury time outs the rest of the way. Embarrassing
He’s a top 20 recruit in his class pre-Fargo. No he’s not wresting for scholarship money right now. He’s already earned the pay.
That was bad. He would have won that match had the kid not took those timeouts.
This really isn’t very complicated. In your scenario he is a bad teammate because he chose to play multiple sports. If he stays and plays in the state baseball playoffs he is a bad teammate for skipping out on his Iowa teammates at the national wrestling tournament. If he leaves for the national wrestling tournament then he is skipping out on his teammates in their state playoff run.
Its a personal choice as to which sport and teammates he wants to support more (I imagine a tough one) and for you to judge him on it is ludicrous.
Because this is the best weather of the year to play baseball. I have always found it ridiculous that other states don't play summer high school baseball. As a close comparison, Minnesota's high school baseball season is basically a joke.
Regardless, and in a rare occurrence, in general I agree with @crablegs1 here. Ben Kueter doesn't need to wrestle Fargo to get the attention of college recruiters. He's not wrestling for dollars--he's going to have his pick of schools if he wants to wrestle. Additionally, this is a case of specialization, not a case of being accommodating to a multi-sport athlete. It's baseball season, and the most important part of baseball season, so (in general) that should take priority for any athlete. In-season sports should be priority #1.
That said, each case is different and nuance is an important factor so I'm not going to be critical to Ben Kueter for it. This is between his high school coaches and teammates.
Far from it. You’re take tells me that you are old. Times have changed. There is a ton of pride in a states performance at Fargo now. Much more so than when I would attend nearly 25 years ago. Check out every states wrestling association on social media. It has become about team as well as individual. You are just being a judgmental prick. Good on the young man for participating in multiple sports and making tough choices.
