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I’m a bit surprised by some of your takes here, and I imagine if it was the same situation and and Iowa wrestler missing NCAAs, or a basketball player missing the NCAA tournament you’d all have different opinions.

Maybe I’m the old curmudgeon in this situation, but I do think being a part of a team requires some level of responsibility to be there for your teammates. To me, that responsibility is strongest when the team has the most on the line. Clearly everyone else disagrees and that’s fine.
It’s a false equivalency. Comparing spencer missing NCAAs for Pokémon?? Come on, man. An appropriate comparison would be something like world team/Olympic team trials vs NCAAs. Spencer’s goals extend beyond college wrestling, much like (I’m guessing) Keuters extend beyond high school baseball.
 
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If you don't know all the variables, best not to comment or judge.
Do we know that the young ICCH wrestler did not inform his BB coaches of the potential schedule conflict in advance and that they were OK with it?

In this day and age where IMO not enough kids play multiple sports in HS I think it is wise to accommodate as much as possible the schedule overlaps, etc...as long as the deal is clear to all at the outset.

Generally speaking, I think it is poor form to quit on your teammates in mid-season, yes, but...we don't know that is what happened here...it is more probable that it was all prearranged and understood by all...so then I say good luck to the young wrestler.
 
Because this is the best weather of the year to play baseball. I have always found it ridiculous that other states don't play summer high school baseball. As a close comparison, Minnesota's high school baseball season is basically a joke.

Regardless, and in a rare occurrence, in general I agree with @crablegs1 here. Ben Kueter doesn't need to wrestle Fargo to get the attention of college recruiters. He's not wrestling for dollars--he's going to have his pick of schools if he wants to wrestle. Additionally, this is a case of specialization, not a case of being accommodating to a multi-sport athlete. It's baseball season, and the most important part of baseball season, so (in general) that should take priority for any athlete. In-season sports should be priority #1.

That said, each case is different and nuance is an important factor so I'm not going to be critical to Ben Kueter for it. This is between his high school coaches and teammates.
It is very interesting to have the “multi sport athlete” thing being used to justify this action. I agree with you that this is the opposite of being a multi-sport athlete. If you miss the post season for an off-season sporting event that is the very definition of sports specialization.
 
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Exactly what playoffs are we talking about? The summer league playoffs? The high school State playoffs? How big of a deal is it? We had playoffs in inline city hockey tourney for 10 years olds. All playoffs are not equal.
 
It is very interesting to have the “multi sport athlete” thing being used to justify this action. I agree with you that this is the opposite of being a multi-sport athlete. If you miss the post season for an off-season sporting event that is the very definition of sports specialization.
You have out done yourself with this doozy. Participating in multiple sports (though not prioritizing the way you would) is the opposite of being a multiple sport athlete. In other news water isn’t wet.
 
You have out done yourself with this doozy. Participating in multiple sports (though not prioritizing the way you would) is the opposite of being a multiple sport athlete. In other news water isn’t wet.
You can’t be considered to be on a team if you purposefully choose to miss the most important events of the season.
 
Avila having a Warneresque consolation. 7 straight wins right now after going down in round of 256.
That’s surprising to me. I only watched one of his matches(his lone loss) and I didn’t think he looked good at all. Great job battling back young man!
 
You can’t be considered to be on a team if you purposefully choose to miss the most important events of the season.
Well if you’re going to be the one to determine who is a good teammate or bad teammate without any inside knowledge whatsoever you may as well be the one to determine what being a true athlete in a sport is as well.
 
Well if you’re going to be the one to determine who is a good teammate or bad teammate without any inside knowledge whatsoever you may as well be the one to determine what being a true athlete in a sport is as well.
I guess I was a multi-sport athlete because I used to play backyard football sometimes with my friends on the weekend (in addition to wrestling). Who knew! I’ll add that to my resume.
 

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Totally fine, but still makes you a bad teammate. Like I said, kind of like Spencer missing NCAAs for that AD interview. Good for him chasing his dream, leaves his team who depends on him completely hanging.
Shut up and quit judging this kid for making a choice. We get it, you condemn him, it seems most decent people however choose not to judge.
It is very interesting to have the “multi sport athlete” thing being used to justify this action. I agree with you that this is the opposite of being a multi-sport athlete. If you miss the post season for an off-season sporting event that is the very definition of sports specialization.
So what? You had to vent about a kids choices for 4 pages about this crap? Seems a little whiny and judgemental for my taste. How about we just call him a kid who went to a wrestling tournament, and maybe we even try to assume something positive or reasonable like he probably didn't bail on his team at the last minute. I don't know but neither do you, what if they begged him to play baseball when he could instead of missing the whole year (that's the alternative you're suggesting) You have no idea what they worked out. They could've planned this for a year in advance with all members of his BB team happy to have him when they could. Sheesh, no let's assume he's a shitty teammate.
 
Totally fine, but still makes you a bad teammate. Like I said, kind of like Spencer missing NCAAs for that AD interview. Good for him chasing his dream, leaves his team who depends on him completely hanging.
I'm actually coming around to your point. But this was an apple to orange comparison. If that school was serious about hiring Spencer Lee they would be willing to work around his schedule. Fargo does not move it's date to accommodate summer baseball states.

Now with that said, it would be a tough pill to swallow to watch a teammate bail on us during play-off time barring a close death in the family. Those teams become family and dependent on each other. It's something that is supposed to carry over to our adulthood when we land a job. I see your point, I also see the other side of it. Not sure I can land on a definitive position. Life is filled with gray but so many people demand it be black or white. Like my boy Sansucksdick.
 
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I'm actually coming around to your point. But this was an apple to orange comparison. If that school was serious about hiring Spencer Lee they would be willing to work around his schedule. Fargo does not move it's date to accommodate summer baseball states.

Now with that said, it would be a tough pill to swallow to watch a teammate bail on us during play-off time barring a close death in the family. Those teams become family and dependent on each other. It's something that is supposed to carry over to our adulthood when we land a job. I see your point, I also see the other side of it. Not sure I can land on a definitive position. Life is filled with gray but so many people demand it be black or white. Like my boy Sansucksdick.
Reasonable. I’m not trying to condemn the kid at all, he’s very young. I probably used a poor choice of words by calling him a bad teammate and generalizing. In fact, I’d wager he is a great kid and teammate. I feel that in this instance he is making a poor decision that is letting down a team of people that rely on him. It is a difficult decision for sure, just think there should be some level of commitment/responsibility once you sign up to join that team.
 
Reasonable. I’m not trying to condemn the kid at all, he’s very young. I probably used a poor choice of words by calling him a bad teammate and generalizing. In fact, I’d wager he is a great kid and teammate. I feel that in this instance he is making a poor decision that is letting down a team of people that rely on him. It is a difficult decision for sure, just think there should be some level of commitment/responsibility once you sign up to join that team.
I get what you are saying you just really suck at saying it and it needs to be stopped in this thread. Crab who is your favorite high school wrestler?? - we back on track now
 
The iowa state baseball tournament has not started yet. This is the Substate/Districts to get to the state tourney.
That is true, but it's win or go home time. FWIW they won their first round on Friday and play Burlington tonight I believe. City High is ranked 7th near as I can tell.
 
You have out done yourself with this doozy. Participating in multiple sports (though not prioritizing the way you would) is the opposite of being a multiple sport athlete. In other news water isn’t wet.

Participating in an offseason sport over an in-season sport--let alone one in the postseason--is garden variety specialization. Whether it is right or wrong is a different argument with points to be made on either side, but it is specialization at it's finest.
 
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Participating in an offseason sport over an in-season sport--let alone one in the postseason--is garden variety specialization. Whether it is right or wrong is a different argument with points to be made on either side, but it is specialization at it's finest.
Wouldn't 'specialization at its finest' be only participating in one single sport and never having another sport that would ever compete for your time?
 
Okay, this is some Wrestling for Life bragging. Sorry. The 2018 Logan Luft Wrestling Camp Scholarship recipient, Dimitri Garza Alarcon, just finished 5th in 16U. Kane and Tate Naaktgeboren raised the money that funded that scholarship.
 
Wouldn't 'specialization at its finest' be only participating in one single sport and never having another sport that would ever compete for your time?

If you defer to the out of season sport at the most critical time of the year there's hardly a difference.
 
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Bouzakis looked great for the the first period (the ref and I both thought he got 4 on a beautiful defensive throw, but we were overruled and it was scored 4-2 for Ysaguirre). But Bouzakis hit a wall in the second, took a couple of shots straight to his belly with his head on the mat. Ysaguirre mostly countered; Bouzakis defintely the better wrestler, but he needs to manage his weight better.
 
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Pretty astounding that grown men would call a kid they don't know a bad teammate because he has to choose one sport over another during one week in July.

Have any of you considered that Ben Keuter might have been dreaming of a Fargo title since he was a little kid, that winning a national title might be more important to him than baseball, and that his teammates (as evidenced by the videio) are fully behind that dream?

I suppose if he had made the cadet world team and was in Budapest right now that would have made him a bad teammate as well?

Grow up.
 
Why is it out of season? It's literally the national championship for his sport.
Don't be talking too much sense now.

There is no "offseason" at this level of high school wrestling. There's folkstyle season and freestyle/greco season. We're at the pinnacle of the latter (not counting the world championships).
 
Pretty astounding that grown men would call a kid they don't know a bad teammate because he has to choose one sport over another during one week in July.

Have any of you considered that Ben Keuter might have been dreaming of a Fargo title since he was a little kid, that winning a national title might be more important to him than baseball, and that his teammates (as evidenced by the videio) are fully behind that dream?

I suppose if he had made the cadet world team and was in Budapest right now that would have made him a bad teammate as well?

Grow up.
I’d add get a life.
 
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