Iowa will always be up there and will challenge PSU but due to some advantages starting with the location I think PSU will have the upper hand more years than not. But these two will be competitive with a gap after them that is going to be hard to bridge.
Is Iowa landing recruits that can compete with Penn St for the next coming years?
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I don’t agree with your premise. I don’t think we can’t compete because of PSU’s big war chest. If you think for 1 second it doesn’t make it more difficult to compete, I don’t know what to tell you.
Your idea about the new wrestling facility Is penny wise and dollar foolish. What good is hiring an NIL marketing firm going to do? This isn’t professional sports.
Probably one of the best things that will help Iowa recruiting is continuing to help foster elite youth wrestling clubs in and around the state of Iowa. Grow the talent locally.
Also. I heard that Spencer Lee has decided not to wrestle this year. Had surgery on his knees.
I’d love to agree with you, but college sports is closer to professional sports than it ever has been. There are now multiple schools that are actively searching out NIL deals for their athletes. Good article on ESPN dealing with this very situation. It focuses on BYU but it does mention Ohio st announced a plan to do this as well. With all this NIL crap (I think it’s crap, not a fan) being new many schools were hesitant, but that hesitation is starting to fade.
Iowa will “keep up with the Jones’s” so to speak, or they will fall behind quickly. I wish it wasn’t this way, and I’m having a hard time giving a damn about college basketball and college football because I think they steamrolled this shit storm into existence. In a few years the 9.9 scholarship limit won’t matter at all. It will be all about the NIL deals that a school can offer. Fortunately, Iowa remains wealthy when it comes to wrestling. They are a name brand, and that will help them in the years to come.
Unfortunately I think you're right. I still think wrestling will be more like the old days than not but it will change.
I also agree with a solid youth program in the state. Iowa is fighting against demographics in the NE and with the greater population you're going to have more kids in the pipeline.
I also agree with a solid youth program in the state. Iowa is fighting against demographics in the NE and with the greater population you're going to have more kids in the pipeline.
Yeah, I don't understand why everyone is so worried about PSU & NIL deals. The Iowa Hawkeyes are the Largest Wrestling brand in the world - are you telling me we can't come up with good NIL deals to keep up - I don't buy that
Can't be done that way. The talent locally is not there. Last match, all 10 Iowa wrestlers were from out of state. You either recruit successfully across the nation or count on transfers...both very demanding and much tougher than for either PSU or OSU. What the Brands have done so far is amazing...
While it’s true that we need to recruit nationally, it’s a huge benefit to have guys like Ayala, Riggins, Jesuroga coming in locally. To have elite talent growing up raving fans of the program would pay dividends.
Good post and spot on, MVP.
On paper, it looks like tOSU just crushed it for the class of '22, getting the #1, 2, and 3 recruits (Mendez, Feldman, Bouzakis).
PSU got another elite guy in #7 Haines.
Iowa got no one in top 10. #30 is Iowa's highest in that class (Riggins).
And in the past year, PSU has been able to pull in proven high AA placers to fill holes (Hildebrandt #4 in ncaa, Dean #2).
Iowa really needs to step up the recruiting with top 10 guys if they're to have a chance at staying up with PSU.
For 2023 we have Jesuroga and Arnold who are 4th and 5th PFP using Flo rankings. Also, I know it’s freestyle but Riggens beat Haines once in their best of 3 series at Junior Nationals.
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He got teched 12-2 in the first match, won 6-6 on criteria in #2 and got pinned in #3.
And here I thought I was directly responding to a post about how fOSU can't excel with top recruits. You know, as a factor in the team race. Silly me.
It extremely well known but the brand might not carry the weight the way it once did. Like ND or USC football compared to Alabama for example .
But it is still significant.
The point is that OSU is pulling in National Championship level recruiting classes and is largely failing to do anything with them. Just cause they had one guy a class do what he was supposed to doesn't mean the class as a whole thrived. Just shows that he was going to thrive no matter where he went.
Would love to go through all of OSU's recruiting classes in those years and "say hi" from the big recruits that had little to no college success, but I have things to do in the real world.
I actually remember Flo doing an article about this very thing. It will be very interesting to see how this group fares at the next level. I think too many people just assume that a kid who has an outstanding prep career automatically translates to them becoming an outstanding collegiate wrestler. Sadly, I personally think this is NOT the case more often than it is. So many top tier kids go into college not understanding how much more development they really need in order to thrive at the next level. Does the coaching staff posses the skill to develop each of these individuals to be just as successful at the next level? Only time will tell.
Correct. He won 1 of 3 as I stated.
It's very true you are not going to win a title these days with just home grown talent however you are probably going to need 10 guys that are or close to being All Americans, and probably 5 guys in the top 4. If you can get say 3 of those guys in state every year it's going to be a lot easier to find 7 of those guys out of state than finding all 10 out of state. It's also going to be easier to get guys from Illinois and Minnesota to come to Iowa City than to get guys from New Jersey and California. Local talent is just one piece of the puzzle but it can be an important one.
Wait a second. I thought Cael couldn't develop wrestlers and only had NCAA Champs because he brought in blue chippers....
Focus on PFP ranking when discussing development seems a little misguided.
I don't know that PFP rankings are based on anything beyond record vs quality competition largely through performance at age-level tournaments. I believe coaches should and do look beyond this kind of ranking to consider physical maturity at age, nearer-term desire, and commitment to longer-term goals.
Coaching for development is much easier of the self-motivated who have the ability to grow.
Braxton Amos was a physically mature high schooler whose best weight doesn't align well with college weight classes. He seems like a great kid. He had enough desire to train at Kharchla's dad's club. If he never meets other's expectations for his #1 PFP ranking, I'm not going to blame Coach Bono. I trust he will be the best version of Braxton Amos that he can be.
I don't know that PFP rankings are based on anything beyond record vs quality competition largely through performance at age-level tournaments. I believe coaches should and do look beyond this kind of ranking to consider physical maturity at age, nearer-term desire, and commitment to longer-term goals.
Coaching for development is much easier of the self-motivated who have the ability to grow.
Braxton Amos was a physically mature high schooler whose best weight doesn't align well with college weight classes. He seems like a great kid. He had enough desire to train at Kharchla's dad's club. If he never meets other's expectations for his #1 PFP ranking, I'm not going to blame Coach Bono. I trust he will be the best version of Braxton Amos that he can be.
I get that but so is PSU and doing something with it. As is Iowa as evidenced by what would have been IMO two NCAA titles back to back. If Cael didn't redshirt a few people I doubt they win that one year, however maybe they would've beat PSU a few years later.
So in the last 11 years we would've had Iowa, Iowa, PSU with multiple titles, OSU with one. PSU with multiple titles. If you go back a few more years Iowa had 3x in row prior if I'm correct . It looks ;like there are two schools and one other that sometimes has a shot.
There are really two different things we are talking about with NIL:
1) a big booster essentially just paying the kid to be there. PSU and OhioSt will thrive here.
2) a wrestler getting paid to do commercials, etc, for local businesses or selling t-shirts. This is where Iowa will have an advantage… We have a lot more passionate people who know the names of the wrestlers and will support businesses who sponsor athletes. Where even at an OhioSt most people in Columbus would say who the eff is this Strubller guy?
I think you have indirectly pointed out the elementary nature of most high school wrestling rankings.
if you look at something like football or basketball prospect rankings, they are much more advanced in their evaluations and not ranking a kid on how good he/she was in high school, but projecting them at the next level.
Where wrestling rankings are primarily an indication of how well they did in high school, who beat who, and things like that. They’re not nearly as sophisticated in projecting the athlete to how they will perform in college.
I think it is often a mistake to use these high school rankings interchangeably as college prospect rankings.
Why the dude stirring the pot gotta be a brotha? I feel unnecessarily profiled. This place truly is the cesspool. . . .Wait a second. I thought Cael couldn't develop wrestlers and only had NCAA Champs because he brought in blue chippers....
What does this have to do with the price of silk in China? This has no relevance to the comment you replied to. Carl wasnt being discussed, recruits were. But you couldn’t help yourself and had to make this about PSU. You’re like a fat kid that can’t stop himself from eating cake.Wait a second. I thought Cael couldn't develop wrestlers and only had NCAA Champs because he brought in blue chippers....
What the heck is your point? The entire conversation is about OSU's big time recruiting class and how I (and Inthecircle) aren't worried about OSU winning a national championship anytime soon because they've shown problems in the past taking those big recruits to the next level.
Based on OSU's past, if we're gonna lose a recruit to somebody, definitely happy it's OSU over PSU.
I should have a known a factual post with no content, leaves you in a win win position to post a snarky comment, based on a reply with an opinion. Touche’.
Just point out what you said by using actual on the mat results. It doesn't appear OSU is much of a longer term threat to PSU and IU as some might think.
With the current climate of the world, especially now with the Olympics in China, and the ill treatment of human rights there, I may find this one more offensive. Either way, it has been sent to the IOC in the hopes that you and your evil ways will be cancelled.We'll add some Asian fusion...
My hopes in joining this group was finding a fanbase that was acceptive of everyone's differences. A place where we all would type in unity and sometimes sing Kum'by'ya. Sadly, you people are the farthest thing from that. I also really feel bad for this "Carl" guy. He's treated like crap on a regular basis in here, and you people encourage it.
I just don't know if I can continue here.
But I must give a little credit though. My son and I were at the dual this weekend against Wisconsin. I was SO impressed with some of the crowd. I think it was the heavyweight match, the WI kid was really tired. I mean he could barely keep his head up when he was on bottom. I heard so many people screaming at the coaches and the ref to get him a pillow! My son was SO excited that he too began yelling it, " GET THAT MAN A PILLOW!" Now that is the type of caring I was hoping to find in this room. I guess I was wrong....
So disappointed right now.
Coach, I sincerely apologize. I thought we had a humorous banter going and that your reply was a joke. I was clearly wrong and wholeheartedly apologize.
Your apology has been duly noted. I still think someone should call this poor Carl guy. Pretty sure he's got a complex from reading some of this. . . .
This has been discussed before, but maybe it needs to be discussed again? Tom Brands as well as Tom Ryan both commented on the ability to be able to do what Fale at F*** st is getting away with. Some on this board dug real deep into the compliance Dept in happy hole.
Once again, you only need to look at what has taken place over there to know something is not the same as everywhere else! Will this NIL crap help or hurt remains to be seen. this year alone they brought in 3 transfers to fill holes. They have 2 AA type wrestlers at Heavy and 197. 125 has been a merry go round that never stops and they have brought in and lost so many high end guys it is almost a joke to think about!
None of this has ever been done before. Hell they were talking about Manville being a "black shirt" (whatever in hell that is???) JR.!!!! They have taken the ivy league gray shirts added that. goes on and on...... Bottom line is, $$$$$ has to be coming from somewhere???
