What is the deal with the ex female player suing Fennelly? Any of you ever heard anything about that kind of stuff? Pretty serious charges yet hard to believe those could be true.
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Speaking from a legal perspective, the complaint provided all the details of the alleged allegation instead of a simple notice to sue. Normally that stuff would have come out during non public discovery. It was also filed on a Saturday before anyone at a public institution would have received it so methinks the plaintiff leaked the info herself in order to get public opinion on her side.
I don't really see this going anywhere. There will players lining up left and right to defend Fennelly. It's serious accusations but she better have some hard evidence like emails or some correspondence showing certain girls were treated different than others.
I don't really see this going anywhere. There will players lining up left and right to defend Fennelly. It's serious accusations but she better have some hard evidence like emails or some correspondence showing certain girls were treated different than others.
Not an iowa state fan but there were multiple minority isu girls defending him.
I think Fennelly is a POS but I don't think he's a racist. Just a creepy asshole.
I think Fennelly is a POS but I don't think he's a racist. Just a creepy asshole.
Yes, they already had parents and former players lining up to defend him as of last night. That means nothing I know, but like you said she will need some sort of proof that this happened and was as bad as she laid out.
If she can't get anyone to back her up I am sprites they even filed.
Wouldn't you check that out before you even started?
I hope she only has to pay lawyers part of winnings or she might become a poor.
I heard she wanted to be a vet but school told her to pick something easier. Curious if she had the smarts for it and that was a factor.
Wouldn't you check that out before you even started?
I hope she only has to pay lawyers part of winnings or she might become a poor.
I heard she wanted to be a vet but school told her to pick something easier. Curious if she had the smarts for it and that was a factor.
The players that defend Fennelly don't say he didn't say that stuff they just say he wasn't racist. I don't think he is racist either. He is just a huge asshole who thinks that to get the best out of people you have to berate them and degrade them which is ridiculous. Also it seems he has been accused in the past of letting it be known that they don't want lesbians at Iowa State and has negatively recruited against other coaches based on his stance. He seems like POS and should be fired. But there are tons of cyclone fans rushing to his defense and act like because some players support him that everything is fine.
One of the girls that defended him when asked if he ever called her a thug would not comment.
One of the girls that defended him when asked if he ever called her a thug would not comment.
Players respond differently. My favorite coaches were ones who yelled constantly. Doesn't mean I was degraded and based on what past players say, Fennelly doesn't degrade his players. He's just hard on them, old school.
There was an article about a player that visited there a couple of years ago, and paraphrasing now, there was a lot of back sniping by the players of each other. Of course, she went elswhere. I can't imagine anything like that happening at Iowa from what I know about them. Sounds like there was some disruptive players on the team.
Yelling at a player for doing something wrong on the court is not the same as calling them names or saying they won't amount to anything like their mom and will end up in prison. Calling black players thugs is not old school. Calling the players bitches is not old school. That is not acceptable and shouldn't be acceptable. Is that how people talk to each other at work? Is that how you want teachers or professors to talk to students in a class room?
You can be hard on players without saying the stuff he is accused of saying. They aren't mutually exclusive.
“She shared many negative things about coach Fennelly during her tenure at Iowa State,” Andrea McLaughlin, Williamson’s mother, told the Ames Tribune, “that knew that if she ever spoke of, and we knew if we ever spoke off, there would be retaliation. We never addressed it while she was there.
“I knew that this would probably happen after the girls graduated because, not Brynn, but that Nikki had a lot of issues with coach Fennelly.”
Williamson did not return a voicemail from the Ames Tribune seeking comment Monday.
“I will say that coach Fennelly was never negative toward me or my husband,” McLaughlin said, “but he would have choice things to say that I don’t feel a coach should have said during locker room, gym time, during text messages as a group to the team. I know I was hearing those second hand, from my daughter and from Nikki Moody when we would go up to visit, but as far as me seeing them I just (would see) his temper on the court, in the girls’ faces, snatching them up by their jersey.
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That is not what she said. She said she never thought the comments to her were racially motivated and that he wasn't racist. That is not the same thing as he didn't say the things he is accused of saying. When asked if Fennelly called her a thug she said she wasn't going to comment.
I believe he may have been referring to Chassidy Cole. See this article.
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/article_ab91880a-05d4-11e6-884b-dfb472d1c73e.html
The comments came in the light of former player Nikki Moody's lawsuit against Fennelly, Iowa State and the state of Iowa for racial discrimination. Cole, an African-American, is one particular player that was mentioned in the lawsuit as someone who took verbal abuse from Fennelly.
In one instance, the suit claims Fennelly told Cole that she "will end up in prison, just like her mother." Cole said that never happened.
The suit also claims Fennelly called Cole a "thug" and that she was "ungrateful" for what Fennelly did for her.
“I’ve never been treated with racism, and I’ve never seen any of his players be treated with racism," Cole said.
Cole said the staff hardly talked about her mother being in prison, and if the coaches brought it up, it was mostly positive.
Coach Fennelly is a tough coach and I personally wouldn't want him as I do not respond well to that type of in your face coaching style.
I personally think it's a money grab and think they would love to have Iowa St settle it sooner than later.
Let's be honest, if Iowa St were a poor D-III program and Coach Fennelly were making $25k per year, would this case be brought up?
I personally think it's a money grab and think they would love to have Iowa St settle it sooner than later.
Let's be honest, if Iowa St were a poor D-III program and Coach Fennelly were making $25k per year, would this case be brought up?
This will already make recruiting to Iowa State more difficult just on the allegation alone. So I would bet ISU wants to settle this just as bad. They don't want Fennelly being deposed.
Imagine this:
Q: Did you call Nikki Moody a thug?
A: Yes
Q: Did you ever call a white player a thug?
A: No.
That is all it would take to ruin his career. whether he was intentionally racist or not because it would make it very hard to recruit and there would be a public outcry for him to be fired.
I really don't care about the situation or women's basketball in general but ISU had a chance to settle and decided not to
That's pretty typical at this stage. I know a case that was 100X better than this against Wells Fargo. 3 rounds of mediation and they refused to settle for the lowest amount of what the victim would accept. They wouldn't come close. Lawsuit was filed and the case was settled within a few months. Believe me ISU wants to settle this but they want to get the best terms possible. Both sides do. It just takes awhile.
I'm not a lawyer but I would assume if ISU thought Fennelly did something wrong they would have settled it privately when they had the chance and not had it come go public. Either way to say ISU fans support racism is just stupid
Like I said, that is typical. And it doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong to want to settle it. Even if they think he is completely innocent they won't want this to go to trial.
And I can tell you in cases even where there is blatant racism the companies don't settle easily.
I think this is apples and oranges. A male coach yelling, berating, and degrading a female player is a lot different than doing that to a male player. Is it right either way? Probably not. Regardless, it's different.
For the record, I'm making no judgment about Bill Fennelly. I'm simply pointing out a young woman's psyche is a lot different than that of a young man's. Especially when the person who is being verbally aggressive toward her is a male authority figure.
At one point in my life I got paid to care about women's basketball. Hey, errrbody gotta get paid right? Well, now that I get paid to do other things, I really don't care.
I think Fran is viewed as somewhat of a caricature by his players. I have never met a single person that does not think Fennelly is truly an asshole.
Besides all of his players coming to back him up calling him a father figure.
To be fair I'm not taking sides, Fennelly definitely comes off as a prick just like Fran does but both seemed to be mostly well liked by the people they interact with the most
Winner, winner, chicken dinner. isu being shocked that they are being called racists shouldn't be surprising. In fact isu grads will continue to line up to tell us there is nothing to see and we must move along. In fact if this is ever brought up again after today they will completely freak out.
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Seems this isn't the first time it's come up (although this does not mention a racial aspect of Fennelly's behavior).
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st.../?hootPostID=26fe5eda792f8784837e3b3fa156542c
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st.../?hootPostID=26fe5eda792f8784837e3b3fa156542c
I wonder if it's typical in a case like this where the public perception is so important. Nobody gives a rat's patootie if Wells Fargo has a manager who acts in a racist manner. But just the accusation is a big deal when it's a well-known coach of one of the country's better programs. Sure as hell isn't going to help recruiting. I think ISU would be more motivated to settle early than the average corporate entity faced with this kind of accusation.
I'm using English, which is always risky on HR. By "better" I mean above average. Actually, I was going to say "best" but downgraded my post to avoid dealing with morons. Didn't work, obviously.
Wikapedia has no such reservations, to wit:
Iowa State University is known for having one of the best women's basketball programs in the nation. Since the founding of the Big 12 in 1996, ISU has had only one losing season, has won three conference titles (1 regular season, 2 tournament), and has the best conference tournament record in the Big 12. Iowa State has made it to and won the Big 12 tournament championship game more times than any team except Oklahoma. Bill Fennelly is the coach of the women's team and largely responsible for building the program. In games played since the Big 12 was founded in 1996, ISU has a winning record against every Big 12 school except Baylor.
On a national level, since 1996 the Cyclones have made the NCAA tournament eleven times, including advancing five times to the Sweet Sixteen and twice to the Elite Eight. Additionally, Iowa State has made the WNIT twice in that span. ISU was in the AP Top 25 poll for over four years and was in the Top 10 for 34 consecutive weeks starting in the 1999 season. ISU has been ranked in the top 10 for attendance for the past ten seasons, including a #3 ranking for the 2008-2009 season which led all Big 12 schools and #2 nationally for the 2012-2013 season
They teach Wikipedia in Ames?
Dude, you guys aren't UConn, Maryland, Baylor, etc. Women's ball right now consists of UConn, about a dozen very good teams, a very large number of average teams, (of which you and the Hawks are among), and the rest. You ARE NOT "better", nor are the Hawks--who lately have been the much more successful program of the two.
