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hmmmmm, from Wikipedia's own website. This reminds me of my HS debate teacher that said if we use the Encyclopedia as a reference/footnote on a term paper or in a class assigned debate, we would get an automatic F. I can't imaging what she'd say about using Wikipedia....F- maybe?

"Don't be afraid to edit – anyone can edit almost every page, and we are encouraged to be bold! Find something that can be improved and make it better—for example, spelling, grammar, rewriting for readability, adding content, or removing non-constructive edits. If you wish to add new facts, please try to providereferences so they may be verified, or suggest them on the article's discussion page. Changes to controversial topics and Wikipedia's main pages should usually be discussed first. Contributing to Wikipedia will provide you with resources on all the basics needed to use, comment on, and contribute to Wikipedia.

Remember – you can't break Wikipedia; all edits can be reversed, fixed or improved later. Wikipedia is allowed to be imperfect. So go ahead, edit an article and help make Wikipedia the best information source on the Internet!"
 
David1979 said:
I am just surprised at how many Iowa State fans support racism. actually I am not, I just remembered the Elijah Johnson incident a few years ago. Oh yeah and didn't they say something to a black Iowa cheer leader?
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I'm pretty sure the term "thug transfers" has been used on this site MANY, MANY times. I guess you're a bunch of racists.
 
David1979 said:
No, it was only used in connection with Scott Christopherson who was known as thug life.
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isu grads will demand that we ignore that part. isu has racist students why is such a leap of faith to think they have a coach that is the same way?
 
HerkyFan said:
isu grads will demand that we ignore that part. isu has racist students why is such a leap of faith to think they have a coach that is the same way?
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Any number of students and coaches on both campuses could be racists.
 
Cydkar said:
Any number of students and coaches on both campuses could be racists.
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While almost anything COULD be on bith campuses it has only been documented at isu. Of course you will tell us how it really is won't you is grad?
 
LarryMullenJr. said:
They teach Wikipedia in Ames?
Dude, you guys aren't UConn, Maryland, Baylor, etc. Women's ball right now consists of UConn, about a dozen very good teams, a very large number of average teams, (of which you and the Hawks are among), and the rest. You ARE NOT "better", nor are the Hawks--who lately have been the much more successful program of the two.
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Dude, I didn't write that ISU was a blue-chip program. I said it was among the better teams in the country. Clearly that is true. But if you think the Hawks have had a "much more successful program" in recent years, it explains why you on't think ISU is one of the better programs in the country.

Last year, Iowa was better. This year you could argue Iowa was better, because although neither team made the NCAA and ISU beat Iowa, the Hawks had a significantly better overall record. In any case, I would also say Iowa has one of the country's better WBB programs.

You really should learn what "one of the better teams" means. Seriously. You're making yourself look silly.
 
hknation said:
hmmmmm, from Wikipedia's own website. This reminds me of my HS debate teacher that said if we use the Encyclopedia as a reference/footnote on a term paper or in a class assigned debate, we would get an automatic F. I can't imaging what she'd say about using Wikipedia....F- maybe?

"Don't be afraid to edit – anyone can edit almost every page, and we are encouraged to be bold! Find something that can be improved and make it better—for example, spelling, grammar, rewriting for readability, adding content, or removing non-constructive edits. If you wish to add new facts, please try to providereferences so they may be verified, or suggest them on the article's discussion page. Changes to controversial topics and Wikipedia's main pages should usually be discussed first. Contributing to Wikipedia will provide you with resources on all the basics needed to use, comment on, and contribute to Wikipedia.

Remember – you can't break Wikipedia; all edits can be reversed, fixed or improved later. Wikipedia is allowed to be imperfect. So go ahead, edit an article and help make Wikipedia the best information source on the Internet!"
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Nobody with a brain cites Wikopedia, itself, as authoritative. I used it because the history it cited was simpler to use than making the same points myself about attendance, NCAA appearances, etc.

Very few teams can match ISU's success in terms of attendance. Nowhere near half the teams can match its success in terms of NCAA appearances and ratings.
 
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Lone Clone said:
I'm using English, which is always risky on HR. By "better" I mean above average. Actually, I was going to say "best" but downgraded my post to avoid dealing with morons. Didn't work, obviously.

Wikapedia has no such reservations, to wit:

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Dude, this was your post on the matter. Read where you typed the word "best".

As for having to deal with any morons, there is no 'Wikapedia'.

Keep it coming... you always do.
 
Lord God Bill has displayed in the past he is a bigot when it comes to sexual orientation. The only ones who feel it is beyond the realm of possibility that he could also be a bigot when it comes to race are isu grads. Then again isu grads love their douches no matter what.

In fact today is Wednesday, so according to isu grads it isn't even fair to be talking about the topic. It now must be ignored and we all must "move on". Just like two days after the ball grabber did his thing.

Remember folks isu doesn't have a culture of being douches. They just happen to be the only school on the planet where 3-6 isolated incidents occur year after year after year.

As usual isu grads, feel free to tell us how it really is. That is always good for a laugh.
 
Lone Clone said:
What do you think "better" means, if not above average? Seriously.
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Better check your dictionary, or Websters, (hard to tell what that clone dictionary says) because the word "above average" isn't in any definitions for "better". I see words like superior, more excellent, greater excellence, etc. But, no "above average".
 
HerkyFan said:
While almost anything COULD be on bith campuses it has only been documented at isu. Of course you will tell us how it really is won't you is grad?
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Documented?

I guarantee there are racists at both schools. I certainly don't like it but we all know it's true. Feel free to argue and look stupid.
 
Cydkar said:
Documented?

I guarantee there are racists at both schools. I certainly don't like it but we all know it's true. Feel free to argue and look stupid.
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It's asinine to think ignorant people exist in Ames but not Iowa City. I believe Adrian Clayborn punched a cabbie because he dropped the n-bomb on him. So there's that. Jeez, some of these arguments get more and more stupid.
 
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Cydkar said:
Documented?

I guarantee there are racists at both schools. I certainly don't like it but we all know it's true. Feel free to argue and look stupid.
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Yet as we stand today only isu has a coach accused of being a racist. If there is evidence that Iowa has a coach that has been accused of being a racist by all means bring it forth cydkar.
 
David1979 said:
This will already make recruiting to Iowa State more difficult just on the allegation alone. So I would bet ISU wants to settle this just as bad. They don't want Fennelly being deposed.

Imagine this:

Q: Did you call Nikki Moody a thug?
A: Yes
Q: Did you ever call a white player a thug?
A: No.

That is all it would take to ruin his career. whether he was intentionally racist or not because it would make it very hard to recruit and there would be a public outcry for him to be fired.
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thug
THəɡ/
noun
noun: thug; plural noun: thugs; noun: Thug
  1. 1.
    a violent person, especially a criminal.
    synonyms: ruffian, hooligan, vandal, hoodlum, gangster, villain, criminal

It may just be me, but I fail to see where in the definition of the word Thug, it mentions that it is in reference to any specific race.

Did you call her lazy? yes
Did you call any white girls lazy? no
Your a racist!

I, obviously, am not of the opinion that calling someone a thug is a racist thing. I am also of the opinion that there are lots of "thugs" that are all sorts of colors and nationalities. I could also make the argument that, if you believe that the word "thug" only refers to black people, you are the racist one, as you immediately infer the negative term to only one race or nationality.
 
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TC_Hawk said:
thug
THəɡ/
noun
noun: thug; plural noun: thugs; noun: Thug
  1. 1.
    a violent person, especially a criminal.
    synonyms: ruffian, hooligan, vandal, hoodlum, gangster, villain, criminal

It may just be me, but I fail to see where in the definition of the word Thug, it mentions that it is in reference to any specific race.

Did you call her lazy? yes
Did you call any white girls lazy? no
Your a racist!

I, obviously, am not of the opinion that calling someone a thug is a racist thing. I am also of the opinion that there are lots of "thugs" that are all sorts of colors and nationalities. I could also make the argument that, if you believe that the word "thug" only refers to black people, you are the racist one, as you immediately infer the negative term to only one race or nationality.
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You may not be of that opinion but it has been routinely used to refer to black people whether they meet the definition of thug or not. Go back all the way to the Fab Five and people were saying that about them just because they wore baggy shorts and were different. The dictionary definition does contain anything racist but that doesn't mean it is not used in a racist way.

As far as I know the only ISU transfer that got in any criminal trouble before coming to ISU was Royce White. And it was not a violent crime. So why were people referring to ISU transfers as thugs if people only use it in strictly non racial terms?

And no one said anything about the term thug always referring to black people. You have to look at context.
 
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"Thug" comes from "thuggee," a band of hooligans/ruffians/criminals that flourished in 14th century India. There is a reference to them in "Gunga Din."
 
Lone Clone said:
"Thug" comes from "thuggee," a band of hooligans/ruffians/criminals that flourished in 14th century India. There is a reference to them in "Gunga Din."
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You're a better man than I am Gunga Din! Wondered when someone would reference the origin of the word. Thug in dictionary definition refers (after the old Indian meaning) to any person who is a ruffian type, but in fan parlance lately they do seem to mean blacks. And they shouldn't . A thug is a thug. There is always the chance, getting back to the original subject of this thread, that old school Fennelly didn't know of the newish meaning.
BTW, what do you make of the latest article/opinion by Shepherd?
 
David1979 said:
You may not be of that opinion but it has been routinely used to refer to black people whether they meet the definition of thug or not. Go back all the way to the Fab Five and people were saying that about them just because they wore baggy shorts and were different. The dictionary definition does contain anything racist but that doesn't mean it is not used in a racist way.

As far as I know the only ISU transfer that got in any criminal trouble before coming to ISU was Royce White. And it was not a violent crime. So why were people referring to ISU transfers as thugs if people only use it in strictly non racial terms?

And no one said anything about the term thug always referring to black people. You have to look at context.
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Uh, wrong. Nader, white, both MSU guys, BDJ, McKay, and burton all had either legal issues or were kicked off their previous teams.
 
L. Wade Childress said:
Uh, wrong. Nader, white, both MSU guys, BDJ, McKay, and burton all had either legal issues or were kicked off their previous teams.
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McKay and Burton had no legal issues and were never kicked off their team. Nader might have had an underage drinking ticket before he came to ISU I think.
 
HerkyFan said:
Yet as we stand today only isu has a coach accused of being a racist. If there is evidence that Iowa has a coach that has been accused of being a racist by all means bring it forth cydkar.
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I didn't say there was.
 
IamHawkeye said:
You're a better man than I am Gunga Din! Wondered when someone would reference the origin of the word. Thug in dictionary definition refers (after the old Indian meaning) to any person who is a ruffian type, but in fan parlance lately they do seem to mean blacks. And they shouldn't . A thug is a thug. There is always the chance, getting back to the original subject of this thread, that old school Fennelly didn't know of the newish meaning.
BTW, what do you make of the latest article/opinion by Shepherd?
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I think there really is a generational thing here. When I was growing up, "thug" was definitely applied to white people, in fact, I never heard it applied to an African-American. Part of that was that it wasn't necessary -- the latter were simply called "n********." But also, if you look at movies, books, radio programs, all that kind of thing, from the '30s, '40s and '50s, you will find "thug" a common name for bad guys, especially the muscle. And those guys were exclusively white.
 
Richard Sherman: 'Thug' is accepted way of calling someone N-word
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January 22, 2014 5:42 pm ET
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Richard Sherman's post-game rant Sunday night has overshadowed every other Super Bowl storyline, even the ones involving Peyton Manning's relative struggles in the postseason and/or cold weather.

We've now heard from just about everyone on the matter -- from Pete Carroll to Tom Brady to John Madden.

On Monday, Sherman, writing for TheMMQB.com, explained that while family and friends congratulated him on the victory, "Many of my Twitter mentions were less supportive," which is about as diplomatically as you can put it. He has since apologized for making the moments following the game about himself and not his teammates.

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Richard Sherman is 'really disappointed in being called a thug.' (USATSI)
During a Wednesday press conference, Sherman was asked if "thug," a word that was used often on message boards and social media to describe the Seahawks cornerback, bothers him more than any other term.

"The reason it bothers me is because it seems like it's an accepted way of calling somebody the N-word now," he said. "It's like everybody else said the N-word and then they say 'thug' and that's fine. It kind of takes me aback and it's kind of disappointing because they know.

"What's the definition of a thug? Really? Can a guy on a football field just talking to people [be a thug?] ... There was a hockey game where they didn't even play hockey! (Laughter from the media) They just threw the puck aside and started fighting. I saw that and said, 'Ah, man, I'm the thug? What's going on here?'" (More laughter from the media). So I'm really disappointed in being called a thug," he said.

Later, Sherman explained that the term was especially troubling given that it's something he's endured his whole life.

"I know some 'thugs,' and they know I'm the furthest thing from a thug," Sherman said. "I've fought that my whole life, just coming from where I'm coming from. Just because you hear Compton (Calif.), you hear Watts, you hear cities like that, you just think 'thug, he's a gangster, he's this, that, and the other,' and then you hear Stanford, and they're like, 'oh man, that doesn't even make sense, that's an oxymoron.'

"You fight it for so long, and to have it come back up and people start to use it again, it's frustrating."

Deadspin notes that the word "thug" was uttered 625 times on American television the day following the Seahawks' win. That's more than any other single day in the last three years.
 
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Terms evolve over time from one generation to the next. Who says anymore "I had a gay time?" It's all about context.

Lone Clone is right. Thug used to have no racial connotation or overtone whatsoever. Now, however, in the day and age where using the n-bomb is socially taboo in almost every social circle, the n-bomb has been euphemistically replaced by the term "thug."

Sure, absolutely, some people who use the term thug have no intention of expressing a racial prejudice. In fact, I'm willing to bet most people who do regularly use the term thug when referencing a black person whom they dislike don't even consciously think of it as a racist term. Some, however, probably do view it in terms of expressing racially antipathy and use it in certain public forums when they know using the n-bomb won't be socially acceptable, which is the term they would actually prefer to use.

In short, for some people, thug is the term they've used to replace n-bomb when they're in the midst of a disapproving audience.
 
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CyCity said:
McKay and Burton had no legal issues and were never kicked off their team. Nader might have had an underage drinking ticket before he came to ISU I think.
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Chris Allen and Kori Lucious both had legal issues prior to joining isu. In fact they were at the center as to why they were dismissed from MSU. Apparently that had no bearing on whether or not they were fit to be at isu.
 
HerkyFan said:
Chris Allen and Kori Lucious both had legal issues prior to joining isu. In fact they were at the center as to why they were dismissed from MSU. Apparently that had no bearing on whether or not they were fit to be at isu.
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Anytime Herky/JWR/100 starts chiming into a thread, you know it's going downhill. And of course he's talking about the same ol' stuff. All threads he is a part of somehow go back to his obsession with ISU and how Hoiberg recruited. He can't get over it. He's jealous of it. He's mad ISU owns Iowa in hoops.

I don't even want to bring up Pierre Pierce, but we can if we are picking and choosing players and years to reference.
 
Kinky F said:
Anytime Herky/JWR/100 starts chiming into a thread, you know it's going downhill. And of course he's talking about the same ol' stuff. All threads he is a part of somehow go back to his obsession with ISU and how Hoiberg recruited. He can't get over it. He's jealous of it. He's mad ISU owns Iowa in hoops.

I don't even want to bring up Pierre Pierce, but we can if we are picking and choosing players and years to reference.
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Hey Kinky it was a fellow isu grad that said isu didn't have players get into trouble prior to transferring to isu. All I did is post the facts that show isu took other players that had legal troubles. Clearly posting facts isn't acceptable to isu grads.

Nice to know isu has racist students, a bigot coach who may also be a racist and you are A OK with it. No worries though as within the isu culture it is all to be ignored.

The best part of isu's douchy culture is that I won't have to wait very long for yet another example of it to come to the surface. I never do.
 
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