ISU going down again?
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Sure I might.
The Big 12 just doesn’t pass the eyeball test. It’s a bad conference that’s only going to get worse as the years roll on. All the talking heads are already saying as much.
Well Sagarin is now God. Is this a new revelation or always your belief?
Yep, the money difference will be very apparent 5 years from now.
Their NILs will be lower tier also.
Which Big 10 west team would you bet money on to beat Colorado, and why?
In a neutral site game or Big Ten hosting game? I would take many in that case!
Colorado has the 51st ranked scoring defense! Blows chunks!
Neutral site - which B10 west team are you betting to beat Colorado in a champ game? Colorado has one of the best QB and receiving groups in the country, curious to who you think would beat them.
Nebraska. You know, that team that isn't bowl eligible yet in the B1G.
ASU beat Texas St. by 3 pts and they could win that conference. ISU is the only team to beat a decent outside conference opponent and again, if we're being honest, ISU never should've won that game or even been close but thems the breaks and they all count.
Colorado, BYU, ISU, and ASU are all very average teams. Just like the teams I mentioned earlier. My point was that all of the teams I mentioned above could win that conference and I'd also include Nebraska and Rutgers as well as having a shot.
Any way you shape it, the conference isn't much good. That's just reality. It's not me speculating. In basketball, sure, I'll believe the conference is awesome, because they are. In football, yeah, not good overall. ISU basketball is good! How's that for me hating a conference just because my rival team plays in it? Project much?
If Colorado is the frontrunner of the conference, that's a bad omen. They're not a good team. They have some great players, sure, but good teams will dominate them every time, and sometimes, even some bad ones.
How does your rating system feel about that?
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Colorado has the 51st ranked scoring defense. Did you miss that part? Deacon Hill could lead drives against that defense.
I have just referenced computer rankings. They are as objective as one can get as it's all based on actual results plugged into a computer algorithm. You can argue the algorithm is crap, but you are on weak ground saying the results are not objective.
Nebraska controlled that game Vs Colorado. The fact that they not only might win the Big 12 but might even receive a first round bye in the playoff is 🗑️
Nebraska literally beat Colorado badly this season. LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZ!
No they're not. They don't matter. Objectivity has never existed anyway but believing you've solidified your stance by having a trumped up set of variable numbers doesn't cut it. Believe what you want, it's all good. You're welcome to get your hopes up that it isn't as bad as everyone around you says it is.
Eventually, you'll meet your Christian McCaffery and reality will set in quickly. The conference is B1G West level on a good day. Your numbers matter to you alone. Believe it or don't, doesn't matter. Trust me, you all don't want to actually play any good teams in a bowl game this year.
My eyes tell me what's obvious about the B12. I'd give them their props if it was deserved but I see no teams that I'm impressed with in that conference is all.
Does competitive necessarily mean highly rated or very good, not really. A normal Utah team over the past 10 years would roll through the Big 12 but they had Rising problems at QB and maybe other issues.
Exactly. Competitive against average to below average or bad teams doesn't boost up the product. There is a very real scenario that if these teams all played in the B1G or SEC each one of them would be .500 or lower at this point in the season.
This is obvious, right? I certainly thought it was.
No Iowan outside of Story County would bet that any team from the dogsh!t Lil12 could compete with the top 4 teams of the Big10. 🤣🤡
Below is how the individual teams stack up per the current Sagarin ratings. It clearly shows the Big Ten strength at the top, but it falls off after that with only three teams of the next twelve on the list.
3 Ohio State 92.11
7 Oregon 89.82
8 Penn State 88.94
12 Indiana 83.68
13 Colorado 83.33
17 Iowa State 82.32
19 Iowa 81.69
21 Kansas State 80.87
22 BYU 80.57
24 USC 80.35
27 Kansas 79.27
30 Arizona State 79.02
31 Baylor 78.87
32 Wisconsin 78.03
33 TCU 78.02
35 UCF 77.17
36 Michigan 76.94
38 Minnesota 76.66
42 Washington 75.85
44 Illinois 75.55
46 Texas Tech 75.34
47 Utah 75.27
48 Nebraska 75.08
49 West Virginia 75.04
51 Cincinnati 74.63
57 Rutgers 73.55
61 UCLA 73.05
65 Oklahoma State 72.04
68 Arizona 70.79
73 Maryland 69.16
74 Houston 68.76
76 Northwestern 67.78
79 Michigan State 67.33
116 Purdue 59.03
3 Ohio State 92.11
7 Oregon 89.82
8 Penn State 88.94
12 Indiana 83.68
13 Colorado 83.33
17 Iowa State 82.32
19 Iowa 81.69
21 Kansas State 80.87
22 BYU 80.57
24 USC 80.35
27 Kansas 79.27
30 Arizona State 79.02
31 Baylor 78.87
32 Wisconsin 78.03
33 TCU 78.02
35 UCF 77.17
36 Michigan 76.94
38 Minnesota 76.66
42 Washington 75.85
44 Illinois 75.55
46 Texas Tech 75.34
47 Utah 75.27
48 Nebraska 75.08
49 West Virginia 75.04
51 Cincinnati 74.63
57 Rutgers 73.55
61 UCLA 73.05
65 Oklahoma State 72.04
68 Arizona 70.79
73 Maryland 69.16
74 Houston 68.76
76 Northwestern 67.78
79 Michigan State 67.33
116 Purdue 59.03
Potential Big 12 title matchup of Colorado (owned by Nebraska) BYU(ranked lower than Iowa in your poll here) equivalent of USC(5-5) and Arizona state even lower. One of these teams will probably receive first round CFP bye.
Name one actually good team that anyone in the B12 has beaten? You guys are beating up on each other within the conference so what other basis can they use?
Nice to see whisky and Debbie so far down in sagarin
Illinois would pound the Clowns
Nope. Highest ranked 5 conf champions from ALL conferences.
Iowa @ 19 pretty much invalidates Sagarin's rankings...among others
Congrove has IOWA at 25, accounting for power, rank, record, SOS, and Pos. Change.
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