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ISU going down again?

To be fair, I've never actually seen a legitimately good team in an ISU uniform. Beating us doesn't make them good and vice versa, especially true for us. ISU has had moments where, at times, they were above average, which is all the last five years have been for them, moments of being good, but I've never seen an actual team that was above average for them yet. Still true to this day.

Truthfully, Campbell would be wise to try and use this season as leverage to get a job next year that'll actually still exist in a decade. He really made a mistake the first time around and he may not have another chance as the B12 certainly can't be this bad every year, right?
He's not going anywhere. He can survive forever in the new "big"12, make a good living in Ames with little or no pressure. The kind of pay upgrade he would need to justify the risk ain't happenin'. Florida State, USC, Michigan...aren't coming for him.
 
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He's not going anywhere. He can survive forever in the new "big"12, make a good living in Ames with little or no pressure. The kind of pay upgrade he would need to justify the risk ain't happenin'. Florida State, USC, Michigan...aren't coming for him.
Agree. He’s in the sweet spot, and with momentum. Built a good program with varying success, and probably some recruiting upside in our footprint for overlapping demand positions, especially skill positions (I hate that term). All in a changing environment for CFB and for our program.

Makes good money. Probably comfortable. To leave would require quite a raise; probably to the point suitors would re-evaluate and spend slightly more for a hotter commodity.
 
He's not going anywhere. He can survive forever in the new "big"12, make a good living in Ames with little or no pressure. The kind of pay upgrade he would need to justify the risk ain't happenin'. Florida State, USC, Michigan...aren't coming for him.
There are very few of these guys who are happy with just being comfortable. They’re wired different. Also, there is no such thing as no pressure. He was feeling pressure last year before they started playing better.

I think there are several jobs he’d take, he just can’t quite do enough to warrant them hiring him. He has never won more than 8 regular season games. To your point, the jobs he’d probably take aren’t coming after a guy with that kind of record.

It is EXTREMELY rare for a guy to stay at one school forever like Ferentz. He’ll leave at some point. He’s essentially in a mid-major conference now. The number of jobs he’d take probably went up since that conference was gutted.

He’s got 25 years of coaching left in him. It won’t all be in Ames.
 
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There are very few of these guys who are happy with just being comfortable. They’re wired different. Also, there is no such thing as no pressure. He was feeling pressure last year before they started playing better.

I think there are several jobs he’d take, he just can’t quite do enough to warrant them hiring him. He has never won more than 8 regular season games. To your point, the jobs he’d probably take aren’t coming after a guy with that kind of record.

It is EXTREMELY rare for a guy to stay at one school forever like Ferentz. He’ll leave at some point. He’s essentially in a mid-major conference now. The number of jobs he’d take probably went up since that conference was gutted.

He’s got 25 years of coaching left in him. It won’t all be in Ames.
Yep. He'll end up going somewhere. He's pretty young. But I don't think he's in any hurry.
 
He's not going anywhere. He can survive forever in the new "big"12, make a good living in Ames with little or no pressure. The kind of pay upgrade he would need to justify the risk ain't happenin'. Florida State, USC, Michigan...aren't coming for him.
I dunno, he has to look around college football and realize he can’t win there. If you aren’t in the B1G or SEC, it’s going to be nearly impossible to compete long term. He also has to know his year to leave is few and far between. I think most people look at him and see a decent recruiter and a below average in-game coach. He gets exposed pretty quickly when he’s not having an outlier season.

If he wants to play it safe, he can stay in Ames forever. If he wants to bet on himself, he needs to leave.
 
Just a completely inexcusable loss to them at home this season
YEs, it was and it reminds me of the last two losses to moo U, 2014 and 2022 where the Hawk offense just sucked of conservatism and mediocre play. The hawk offense is the limiting factor and has been since about 2016.
 
I dunno, he has to look around college football and realize he can’t win there. If you aren’t in the B1G or SEC, it’s going to be nearly impossible to compete long term. He also has to know his year to leave is few and far between. I think most people look at him and see a decent recruiter and a below average in-game coach. He gets exposed pretty quickly when he’s not having an outlier season.

If he wants to play it safe, he can stay in Ames forever. If he wants to bet on himself, he needs to leave.
Most all of these coaches want and like the challenge of trying to win games and championships at the highest level.

My gosh, if Campbell is not set for money after getting $4-5 Mill a year for 8 years at ISU then shame on him and his wife. He doesnt have to worry about money so he can take the leap into the deep waters of the Big 10, SEC, or ACC which is still a pretty strong league with Clemson, a normal FL St, etc.

The Big 12 has dropped down in power especially when their newer teams will be ruling the roost.
 
It's a watered down Big 12 that is as close to MAC level conference there is.
According to Sagarin, the Big 12 is the second highest rated conference.

1 SEC 81.89
2 BIG 12 77.17
3 BIG TEN 76.76
4 ACC 74.24

While there may be no great teams in the Big 12, one would be hard pressed to find a more competitive conference from top to bottom. Anyone, with the possible exception of Oklahoma State (who appears to have given up) can win on a given Saturday. Often injuries play a factor in how a team fares.
 
According to Sagarin, the Big 12 is the second highest rated conference.

1 SEC 81.89
2 BIG 12 77.17
3 BIG TEN 76.76
4 ACC 74.24

While there may be no great teams in the Big 12, one would be hard pressed to find a more competitive conference from top to bottom. Anyone, with the possible exception of Oklahoma State (who appears to have given up) can win on a given Saturday. Often injuries play a factor in how a team fares.
Oh my God. 😂🤣😅😂🤣

Every team is terrible and could win on any given Saturday, so it is the second best conference.
 
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According to Sagarin, the Big 12 is the second highest rated conference.

1 SEC 81.89
2 BIG 12 77.17
3 BIG TEN 76.76
4 ACC 74.24

While there may be no great teams in the Big 12, one would be hard pressed to find a more competitive conference from top to bottom. Anyone, with the possible exception of Oklahoma State (who appears to have given up) can win on a given Saturday. Often injuries play a factor in how a team fares.
The new Big Ten west.
 
According to Sagarin, the Big 12 is the second highest rated conference.

1 SEC 81.89
2 BIG 12 77.17
3 BIG TEN 76.76
4 ACC 74.24

While there may be no great teams in the Big 12, one would be hard pressed to find a more competitive conference from top to bottom. Anyone, with the possible exception of Oklahoma State (who appears to have given up) can win on a given Saturday. Often injuries play a factor in how a team fares.
So basically, the SEC is #1 and the others are grouped tightly just below it.
 
According to Sagarin, the Big 12 is the second highest rated conference.

1 SEC 81.89
2 BIG 12 77.17
3 BIG TEN 76.76
4 ACC 74.24

While there may be no great teams in the Big 12, one would be hard pressed to find a more competitive conference from top to bottom. Anyone, with the possible exception of Oklahoma State (who appears to have given up) can win on a given Saturday. Often injuries play a factor in how a team fares.
Competitive with each other. They'll get their ass kicked if they play Big10 or SEC.
 
According to Sagarin, the Big 12 is the second highest rated conference.

1 SEC 81.89
2 BIG 12 77.17
3 BIG TEN 76.76
4 ACC 74.24

While there may be no great teams in the Big 12, one would be hard pressed to find a more competitive conference from top to bottom. Anyone, with the possible exception of Oklahoma State (who appears to have given up) can win on a given Saturday. Often injuries play a factor in how a team fares.
Dude, c'mon.
 
Power ratings are an average when it comes conferences. It honestly doesn’t really matter.

All that matters in CFB is how good your top teams are. The Big 10 has 4 great teams. The Big 12 has zero. Taking a conference average is honestly meaningless, nobody cares that Purdue, MSU, NW, Maryland, and UCLA suck.
 
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Power ratings are an average when it comes conferences. It honestly doesn’t really matter.

All that matters in CFB is how good your top teams are. The Big 10 has 4 great teams. The Big 12 has zero. Taking a conference average is honestly meaningless, nobody cares that Purdue, MSU, NW, Maryland, and UCLA suck.
This is correct.
 
Ugh, no words for this.
The bottom of the Big 10 is really bad that drags down the avg power rating. The top of the Big 10 is definitely better than the top of the Big 12, no one is arguing that. When you look at the middle teams, The Big 12 teams would be favored over the Big 10 teams - doesn't mean they would win them all, but they would be favored.
 
Power ratings are an average when it comes conferences. It honestly doesn’t really matter.
This would be true except for when TV networks leverage wins against average and bad teams in conference to inflate the top teams ratings - that's the issue.
 
You dispute Sagarin saying Big 12 is the 2nd best league - what is your evidence to the contrary besides holding a personal bias against the Big 12 yourself?
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, USC, Washington, and Illinois would all have a very viable chance at winning that conference. Each would have one or two losses at most in that conference. That's just the B1G mid tier.

Again, what are we doing even thinking this? It's not even debatable.
 
The bottom of the Big 10 is really bad that drags down the avg power rating. The top of the Big 10 is definitely better than the top of the Big 12, no one is arguing that. When you look at the middle teams, The Big 12 teams would be favored over the Big 10 teams - doesn't mean they would win them all, but they would be favored.
I disagree 100%. Our average teams would be their top. We're ISUs best win as an example. Should've killed them too.
 
So basically, the SEC is #1 and the others are grouped tightly just below it.
Yes. That is true according to Sagarin.

This is a much different view than what you get from media that looks at the top teams to proclaim the best conferences. That has validity too. It's just a different view. But much like Indiana so far, you can play in a strong conference based on media perceptions, and never have to face any of those strong teams.

Services like Sagarin also have ratings based on how hard it is to have a 50% winning percentage. Those rankings gave the same order this week, but there was less margin between #2 Big 12 and #3 Big Ten. The were essentially the same.

My reason for posting was to dispute the contention from some of your fans that the Big 12 is a crap league and the Big Ten is highly superior. That's not true based on objective computer data. Full disclosure you get some of the opposite types of comments on the Iowa State board with fans that mock the Big Ten and in particular the old west division. Fans will be fans.
 
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Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, USC, Washington, and Illinois would all have a very viable chance at winning that conference. Each would have one or two losses at most in that conference. That's just the B1G mid tier.

Again, what are we doing even thinking this? It's not even debatable.
Here are the projected spreads per Sagarin of the teams you think could win the Big 12:

ISU -4 vs Wisconsin
ISU - 6 vs Minnesota
ISU -7 vs Washington
ISU -7 vs Illinois

You're just making stuff up because you hate your rival conference, plain and simple.
 
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Yes. That is true according to Sagarin.

This is a much different view than what you get from media that looks at the top teams to proclaim the best conferences. That has validity too. It's just a different view. But much like Indiana so far, you can play in a strong conference based on media perceptions, and never have to face any of those strong teams.

Service like Sagarin also have ratings based on how hard it is to have a 50% winning percentage. Those rankings gave the same order this week, but there was less margin between #2 Big 12 and #3 Big Ten. The were essentially the same.

My reason for posting was to dispute the contention from some of your fans that the Big 12 is a crap league and the Big Ten is highly superior. That's not true based on objective computer data. Full disclosure you get some of the opposite types of comments on the Iowa State board with fans that mock the Big Ten and in particular the old west division. Fans will be fans.
I know you think you're being objective here but you aren't. This is as valid as Iowa being #4 in 2015. We all knew it wasn't true if we were being honest with ourselves. We all also honestly knew every year the B1G West was a joke.

It's because these were truths but we were trying to make it sound like they weren't. You're being the fan here.

Your conference may be competitive but is the same quality as the B1G West. It's the tallest little person.
 
Here are the projected spreads per Sagarin of the teams you think could win the Big 12:

ISU -4 vs Wisconsin
ISU - 6 vs Minnesota
ISU -7 vs Washington
ISU -7 vs Illinois

You're just making stuff up because you hate your rival conference, plain and simple.
This is a pointless endeavor, of which, the outcome doesn't matter. Perceptively, it's evident to me but not you apparently. None of what you posted matters but I know you think otherwise and that's fine. To each their own.
 
This is a pointless endeavor, of which, the outcome doesn't matter. Perceptively, it's evident to me but not you apparently. None of what you posted matters but I know you think otherwise and that's fine. To each their own.
Colorado and ISU would be favored over every single Big 10 West team per Sagarin. Yet you continue to post nonsense that Illinois and Washington have a chance to win that conference. It's laughable
 
Colorado and ISU would be favored over every single Big 10 West team per Sagarin. Yet you continue to post nonsense that Illinois and Washington have a chance to win that conference. It's laughable
Alright, have a good one.
 
It is the top of the league that matters. In the B1G this year no team below 4th is relevant.
No team in the entirety of the big xii is top 10.

I don't give a sh!t about sagarin or any other rating system that elevates a league's stature based on the mediocre and shitty teams being marginally better than some other leagues mediocre and shitty teams.
 
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It is the top of the league that matters. In the B1G this year no team below 4th is relevant.
No team in the entirety of the big xii is top 10.

I don't give a sh!t about sagarin or any other rating system that elevates a league's stature based on the mediocre and shitty teams being marginally better than some other leagues mediocre and shitty teams.
Exactly. Using point spreads from the system I'm saying doesn't matter isn't going to convince me.
 
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It is the top of the league that matters. In the B1G this year no team below 4th is relevant.
No team in the entirety of the big xii is top 10.

I don't give a sh!t about sagarin or any other rating system that elevates a league's stature based on the mediocre and shitty teams being marginally better than some other leagues mediocre and shitty teams.
Agree - the top of the conference is much better than the Big 12 and that's what matters. I'm just laughing at @AEG82 for stating bad teams like Illinois and Washington could win the Big 12.
 
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