J T Rock
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Agree to disagree. I don't think you understand the meaning of "perennial" or "contender."
FYI, Iowa just won the Big Ten title.
I like the regular season title better too, but for the dance, Iowa was the B1G champion.
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No. Iowa did not win the Big Ten Title. We haven't done that since 1979.
Good golly...
No shame in being what we are. Much shame in pretending to be something we are not.
I mostly agree with Herklejerk, although the BTT championship was a big deal for the Hawks and Fran's ability to move us forward. The last regular season championship, which was even shared, was the second year I started closely following the Hawks. That was WAY back when I was a grad student at Iowa. I have been retired for 9 years. Except for the Lick years, Iowa has been a slightly better than average B1G team overall.
I'd argue the regular season title means nothing other than bragging rights (or a guaranteed berth in the NIT). If it was so important why does it have zero sway on the NCAA tourney? Yes it proves the team was the best over a 3.5 month stretch, and yet the NCAA tourney is 6 games and more closely resembles the conference tournaments. My point? I don't have one. Carry on.
In the twelve years McCaffery has been here, Iowa has finished in the top half of the very competitive B1G ten times. Yes, that's not setting the highest bar, but a lot of schools that were thrown out as the true powers of the B1G can't make the same claim and many of them have had one or more coaching changes.
We are perennially contending to make a deep run. Can’t dispute that. We haven’t done it in awhile, but we contend to. I see it happening sooner than later. JMO.
Good Lord...
Tell me when the league regular season champion went to the NIT.
"Zero sway"
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Can you be serious? How many times is the reg season league champ(s) a 1 or 2, 3 seed? 90%? Better?
The very reason the league made the conference tourney the auto bid is the possibility of getting a team into the NCAA tourney that otherwise wouldn't have made it at large.
smh...
Some of these posts....
Losers gonna lose. Snipers gonna snipe. Good thing you don’t play on any team. You aren’t part of the Hawkeye family. Obviously.
Hawkeyes are winners. Love Fran and the talent on the team and the NBA success and the commits coming onboard.
this isn’t just a team or a program. It’s a FAMILY.
I don’t let my fandom overcome my reason like you do. I don’t know what “FAMILY” has to do with any of your assertions…?
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Have fun with it. It’s takes all kinds.
If you win the regular season title you are not going to NIT in the B1G. You are a top 4 seed in ncaa. You should have thought more before you posted that thought.
Winning the regular season league title has a ton to do with your overall record and a ton to do with your seeding in the NCAA tournament. While the "automatic bid" goes to the conference tournament winner, that is only to make the tournament more meaningful as everyone knows the conference winner will be going to the NCAA tournament.
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When you say “we” are you talking about Iowa, or another school/team that you root for? 🤔
Did I ever say any of those things? I never specified a league much less "the" league. Great job with your "gotcha" posts. Plenty of smaller conference regular season champs miss out on the NCAA tourney. So yeah, it does have zero sway. Some of these posts...
You’re a silly fella. I would suggest reading what you type before you post it.
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Winning the SWAC or whatever podunk conference regular season is not the same as winning the B1G, ACC, etc...
No idea how Rock's recruitment will go but Nick does a heck of a job, and he's originally a Wisky fan. He's certainly not as much of Homer as the Hawkeye beat guys. Also, Otz's recruiting record has been pretty good. Tip of the cap to Fran if he beats us on this one.
Current staff. They have a relationship with him dating back to their time at SDSU.
I was shocked Purdue wasn't mentioned earlier, so I was kind of watching, because Purdue was putting a lot of time into him this summer. Sounds like he's going to be visiting Purdue and Purdue needs a big in 2024 after missing on Booker in 2023.
Sounds like they were recruiting him in grade school?
Iowa has been in on him for quite a while. I like Iowa's chances.
Who was the NCAA champ? The team who finished with the best record or the team that won the tournament?
That's fine, I'm just saying it's not like ISU's staff had no relationship with him until they came to ISU.
That said if he blows up as much as he might, I don't like either of our chances.
Since there were only 3 that won it in 1979 that narrows it down to Iowa.
Holy Toledo, how did that 1979 season end?
So dumb.
One of the purposes of having a national tournament which includes the best teams from the various conferences with different styles and competitio levels etc., is to have a way of crowning a single champion without involving media etc. The other purpose is money making spectacle (because, after all, a single elimination tournament is a terrible way of determining the best team -- cf., NBA playoffs).
I guarantee you that the underlying rationale for establishing the Big Ten Tournament was not because the conference was having trouble determining which team should actually be crowned conference champion. The best conference record over the course of a season is a pretty cut and dried, time tested methodology. lol
The reason for the BTT was and is a money grab. TV, ticket, and merch money plus the off chance of getting one more conference team into the big dance which otherwise wouldn't have earned an at large bid.
If you want to refer to the winner of a weekend tourney as the "conference champ", knock yourself out. You're not hurting anything but your own credibility. Just understand that the conference itself makes sure to distinguish between the regular season and conference tournament champions. Because they are, in fact, two very different things.
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Exactly. Winning either the Big 10 tournament title or regular season title is a big deal. The regular season title is a much bigger deal in my opinion, it proves you were better over a period of 20 games against all the teams and over 3.5 months time. That many games over that long a time frame shows you who the best team was. You don't win it by getting hot over a weekend or favorable matchups.
I love the different portions of the college hoops season. Have something very important to aim for (regular season title) and then a couple of other moment in time chances for achievement (BTT and NCAA tournament). Fran has done a good job of creating a team that is consistently in middle/upper half of the Big 10. That should not be taken for granted. Got over the BTT hump in a big way this year. Next step would be getting to the second weekend of the NCAA tournament. One would think that eventually that will happen if Iowa keeps putting itself in position to do so. But it's not very often that Iowa gets 2 and 5 seeds in consecutive years, with bubkis to show for it in the NCAA tournament.
Well, that's how it is normally used so it's only LOL worthy if you were ignorant of that fact.
Its ironic how you make fun of Iowa winning a tournament title (B10) as if tournaments don't matter, but then turn around and place so much value on a tournament title that follows it. It's still just a tournament, with almost the same number of games. So either tournaments mean something or they don't. Be consistent.
Fran has done great things at Iowa - which fellow B10 coaches rank as the 9th or 10th most attractive program in the B10 based on facilities, recruiting base, et al - other than NCAA tournament success, and he's been close there too (Tennessee in overtime; lost season with Garza as a Junior also). Sometimes it is just bad luck on matchups. Was Kentucky horrible last year? No, but they lost. It's a small sample size relative to the rest of Fran's resume, which is very strong. I know your national brand is based a lot on NCAA tournament success, but we aren't talking national brand right now, we're talking about how Fran has done overall.
The regular season conference title meant more, in my estimation, when we played a true round robin schedule
This!
With the unbalanced schedules now the BigTen Scheduling "computer" has more say in who wins the regular season title
I honestly think we have a chance at a 5 seed or better in the NCAA Tournament this season & moving forward.
We know that Fran develops players. What's interesting is that he is landing better players now; let's see what he can do with them.
This year should be an NCAA Tournament team.
Looking to the future:
2023-2024 Roster (12 on Scholarship; 1 scholarship available):
FRESHMEN: 3 players
6"10" C Owen Freeman
6'0" PG Brock Harding
6'7" PF Pryce Sandfort
SOPHOMORES: 2 players
6'3" PG Dasonte Bowen
6'5" SG Josh Dix
JUNIORS: 2 players
6'7" F Payton Sandfort
6'11" C Riley Mulvey
SENIORS: 5 players
6'4" G Tony Perkins
6'2" G Ahron Ulis
6'8" F Kris Murray
6'9" SF Patrick McCaffery
6'11" C Josh Ogundele
4 Notable Walk on players:
SENIORS: 1 player
Dante Eldridge -- walk on
JUNIORS: 1 player
Luc Laketa-- preferred walk on
SOPHOMORES: 2 players
Carter Kingsbury-- preferred walk on
Amarion Nimmers-- preferred walk on
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