Jackson and Daniels Snubbed out of the 1st round

[OILCHECKER]

Vikes have two good CB's already but got killed with their nickel last year. Adding a quality DB was a good idea.

More importantly, some had the CB they drafted in the top 15 overall best players and many had him as the best available player regardless of pos at the time of their selection, so going the best available route is rarely a bad thing either.

 

[Buck2427]

They reached twice in the first 4 picks of the draft. That’s the Browns though

I think the Browns reached with their first pick, but Ward at #4 was not a reach, I was surprised, but he was the #1 corner in the draft and with the Buckeyes recent run of first round corners, it was a safe pick. Will it be the right pick? Only time will tell. If Barkely would've been there at #4, they would've taken him.

 

[Dick Rambone]

Even if they go in Round 2, don't you think there is future recruiting value in being able to show previous Iowa players go early? It's not like they're going to fall into the late rounds or go undrafted.

yes but look at Iowa's schedule this year, If Kirk doesn't push Daniels out the door Iowa has a much more settled OL and a really strong chance to win the B1G west, I like the recruiting value of that far more than a kid getting drafted in the 2nd rd or worse. Plus as I said its his first job to win games for Iowa. I am a KF supporter but thought it was a mistake for Him to encourage Daniels t the door.

 

[Dick Rambone]

I think the Browns reached with their first pick, but Ward at #4 was not a reach, I was surprised, but he was the #1 corner in the draft and with the Buckeyes recent run of first round corners, it was a safe pick. Will it be the right pick? Only time will tell. If Barkely would've been there at #4, they would've taken him.

Barkley should have been their 1st pick but that's why the Browns eternally suck.

 

[Dick Rambone]

As if he has any sway in that.

guess You missed the part where Daniels Himself said He wasn't even thinking NFL till Kirk approached Him and told Him to explore the possibility.

 

[Buck2427]

Barkley should have been their 1st pick but that's why the Browns eternally suck.

That's true, but what better quarterback to ruin than that Mayfield punk! (and yes I'm still salty about his dumbass trying to plant the OU flag in field turf at the Shoe!)
I'm a Bengals fan ,so I really wanted Lamar Jackson, but I was happy with Billy Price, because the Bengals need all the O-line help they can get. It was refreshing to see the Browns and Bengals tap into some in state college talent for once...

 

[anon_2zMXH429BhxV1Npk]

yes but look at Iowa's schedule this year, If Kirk doesn't push Daniels out the door Iowa has a much more settled OL and a really strong chance to win the B1G west, I like the recruiting value of that far more than a kid getting drafted in the 2nd rd or worse. Plus as I said its his first job to win games for Iowa. I am a KF supporter but thought it was a mistake for Him to encourage Daniels t the door.

Wait, you honestly believe that Ferentz told Daniels to leave out of nowhere? Not that he had an honest discussion with Daniels and told him he believes he will be a high round draft pick, but you honestly believe Ferentz forced him out?

I would have loved for Daniels (and Jackson) to stay this year. But I'm not sure how someone can be a fan of the way Kirk does things, yet turn around and be upset when he is honest with players on their pro potential.

 

[Dick Rambone]

underclassmen who don't get taken in the 1st rd should have the option to remove themselves from the draft and go back to school, I would like to see that happen in the future . Unless they have signed endorsement deals .

 

[Dick Rambone]

Wait, you honestly believe that Ferentz told Daniels to leave out of nowhere? Not that he had an honest discussion with Daniels and told him he believes he will be a high round draft pick, but you honestly believe Ferentz forced him out?

I would have loved for Daniels (and Jackson) to stay this year. But I'm not sure how someone can be a fan of the way Kirk does things, yet turn around and be upset when he is honest with players on their pro potential.

push wrong wording I guess but Kirk approached Him per Daniels Himself , Would Kirk been wrong to just do nothing and be honest with Him if Daniels approached Him ?

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

The NFL Combine and personal workouts are a gagillion-dollar business - and they’ve done nothing to improve the Draft. There are just as many early pick busts and late-round surprises as there have ever been; only now a majority of the work is done by number crunchers in a room of computers, with less emphasis on watching guys actually play football. I find the whole thing kinda funny.

 

[anon_2zMXH429BhxV1Npk]

push wrong wording I guess but Kirk approached Him per Daniels Himself , Would Kirk been wrong to just do nothing and be honest with Him if Daniels approached Him ?

Ah understood.

Yeah, that I can understand. But again, it's hard for me to find fault with Kirk for something like that when it's pretty much in line with everything he does. If we are going to be fans of how genuine he is and seems to really care more about his players and wanting them to do what is best for their lives, I can't really fault him if he went out of his way to make sure Daniels knew what his options were.

Yes, his job as coach at Iowa is for Iowa to win football games. But I think can all agree that he doesn't only care about winning football games or doing only what is immediately best for his current team.

 

[bumpstock]

KF's input didn't count squat in Daniels' decision to come out his junior year ~ he merely suggested that James get evaluated by the NFL, which he did. The NFL said he was late 1st/early 2nd round material (which he is). After the NFL feedback, James pulled the trigger. To my knowledge, any junior can get that eval' with, or without, his head coach's input...the fact that KF "put a bug in his ear" only shows respect for his players.

 

[MepoDawg#]

No, combine reveals things not seen on tape (e.g., Josh's frozen hips) which, I believe, has hurt him more than his 40 time. Go watch his back pedal again at the combine, and compare it to everybody else ~ they have swivel hips, and his are frozen. Painful to watch.

Too bad that totally ignores on the field performance. Some guys are practice field warriors and others are game day warriors. Jackson’s film should be taken over a one time drill at the underwear Olympics.

 

[bumpstock]

Too bad that totally ignores on the field performance. Some guys are practice field warriors and others are game day warriors. Jackson’s film should be taken over a one time drill at the underwear Olympics.

You spend your $$$ on what your like seeing, and they'll spend their $$$ on what they like seeing. JJ will "overcome" this problem (as he has in the past), but it's been identified, and will be tested by the best WRs/TEs in the world.

 

[kceasthawk]

Yeah, Phil himself stated that Jackson was still a little rough around the edges ... said there was still areas he could improve on (this was said before Jackson opted for the NFL). It would seem that many NFL personnel people kinda felt the same way.

As for Daniels, because of his injury, he really didn't put up the best tape during his JR season. However, he's a smart, versatile guy ... played everything from C to OT at Iowa ... so there's a lot of extra value that goes along with him.

I was concerned that Jackson would slide as soon as I heard he was invited as one of the 25 players or so who are invited to the draft sight. Has to really suck, to see all those guys get picked, while your sitting there and the camera's show you and the talking heads are bringing up your not being called. Good motivation for JJ to put that chip on his shoulder like King did, and bring it to the league.

 

[bumpstock]

I was concerned that Jackson would slide as soon as I heard he was invited as one of the 25 players or so who are invited to the draft sight. Has to really suck, to see all those guys get picked, while your sitting there and the camera's show you and the talking heads are bringing up your not being called. Good motivation for JJ to put that chip on his shoulder like King did, and bring it to the league.

Absolutely...I'm not crazy about the Agent he picked; the guy has no experience with top of the line NFL draft picks. Some good agents (like Brandon Scherff's) could have seen this coming after the Combine, and not hung their client out to dry.

 

[WestIAHawk]

I get that, but Hernandez with Elflein blocking for Cousins and Cook at RB....wow. What a great opportunity to run the ball consistently and give Cousins more time. Also, Hernandez seems like almost a lock for a 8-10 year starter immediately.

Maybe Ricky will move up...

 

[ICWestfan]

Dez stayed because His Mother first, 2nd Kirk approached Daniels who wasn't even thinking of the NFL, kid is 20 and Iowa sure could have used Him this year , last I checked its Kirks job to win games for IOWA , if a kid wants to go that's one thing a coach telling Him is surely another.

I get the Mama first thing, but Dez could have gotten his degree at anytime. Staying his senior year killed his stock, it was Kings island out there so they had no tape of him and he tested like shit at the combine. That hurt. As for Daniels, he was a walking injury at Iowa for the most part and think KF had the good sense to encourage him to move along. That's just conjecture on my part.

 

[desihawk]

No, combine reveals things not seen on tape (e.g., Josh's frozen hips) which, I believe, has hurt him more than his 40 time. Go watch his back pedal again at the combine, and compare it to everybody else ~ they have swivel hips, and his are frozen. Painful to watch.

Blame the beathard for indoctrinating JJ early. Instead of watching shakira tape, JJ I believe is pure country...

 

[JoelBittner]

If you're picked in the 1st round you get a lot of money and are labeled a future all-pro. Now if you don't live up to the hype you're labeled a bust and quietly ushered out of the league prematurely.

BUT, if you're taken in the later rounds and PERFORM like a 1st rounder, you have a longer career that garners more money and accolades. JMO

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

There are gonna be several "shoulda coulda woulda's if only'" regrets that will come to light in a few years.
Happens every year and nobody, not mayok, kiper, or any of them get held accountable.
The Browns are consistently the biggest culprits. To not pick the best football player and character in the draft (Barkley) & get a QB @ 4 is irresponsible imo. Mayfield woulda /shoulda been there In 4th round. Wow. Just wow!!!

There's a reason they get so many #1 picks. They screw up drafting so bad, continue to suck, and get more #1 picks each following year. Rinse and repeat!

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

it was Kings island out there

Love that place

 

[bumpstock]

Blame the beathard for indoctrinating JJ early. Instead of watching shakira tape, JJ I believe is pure country...

"Hips Don't Lie," Bro' ~ stay away from CJ, and that Texas two-step.

 

[bigfridaynite]

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[Hawk_4shur]

Lots of anger/angst about these two guys not getting picked in the 1st round. I realize they make more money in Round 1, but is being drafted in R2 so bad? If they can play, they will get paid over the course of their career.

 

[bumpstock]

Lots of anger/angst about these two guys not getting picked in the 1st round. I realize they make more money in Round 1, but is being drafted in R2 so bad? If they can play, they will get paid over the course of their career.

Yup...that says it all!

 

[klemman]

underclassmen who don't get taken in the 1st rd should have the option to remove themselves from the draft and go back to school, I would like to see that happen in the future . Unless they have signed endorsement deals .

Would their prospective University be able to carry more than 85 scholarship players? Going back now, after LOI day, would put most teams with underclassman who declare for the draft over the limit. Either an exception would need to be made, or players would have to be cut from the team.

If you decide to go pro as an underclassman, you roll the dice whether as a first or second round pick, a later pick, or not picked at all.

 

[Forgery5]

Is there too much stock put into the combine? I thought the only real downside to Jackson's combine was his 40 and as discussed on this site 40 times aren't a good indicator of ability and on-field performance.

Actually, it was more than just his 40 time. The coaches got on him several times going through the different drills that were set up. Watching him, it appeared that he wasn’t going all out avoiding a potentially injury. By the time the draft came up he was #5 on a lot of boards where is was #2 at the end of the season.

 

[bloodredd]

I believe Josey Jewell was Iowa's best player. Will be interesting to see where he goes. I felt the same way about CJB.

 

[QChawks]

Jackson’s slide continues

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Lots of anger/angst about these two guys not getting picked in the 1st round. I realize they make more money in Round 1, but is being drafted in R2 so bad? If they can play, they will get paid over the course of their career.

I'm neither angry, nor do I have angst about JJ or Daniels and the draft.

The reality is, though, that it makes a big difference for signing bonus money and guarantees being drafted in the first round.

NFL careers are notoriously short; it's the minority of players that stick around for long. Better to get paid as much as possible up front and risk being labeled a bust.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Actually, it was more than just his 40 time. The coaches got on him several times going through the different drills that were set up. Watching him, it appeared that he wasn’t going all out avoiding a potentially injury. By the time the draft came up he was #5 on a lot of boards where is was #2 at the end of the season.

The combine definitely hurt him.

The less than stellar 40 time received the most publicity but the other issues, like hip stiffness, probably hurt him as much or more in the eyes of NFL personnel.

The combine seems to be gaining in importance, not lessening.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

I'm neither angry, nor do I have angst about JJ or Daniels and the draft.

The reality is, though, that it makes a big difference for signing bonus money and guarantees being drafted in the first round.

NFL careers are notoriously short; it's the minority of players that stick around for long. Better to get paid as much as possible up front and risk being labeled a bust.

I envy you. You have so little to worry about in your life, you can put time and energy into feeling sorry for NFL draftees who don't get paid enough up front.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I envy you. You have so little to worry about in your life, you can put time and energy into feeling sorry for NFL draftees who don't get paid enough up front.

Huh?

I think you completely missed the point. I don't feel sorry for them. I was simply commenting on the established facts that nfl careers are notoriously short on average and it is obviously much better to get 1st round guaranteed money up front. Most projections had JJ as a first rounder. Didn't happen. Big financial difference. No emotional impact for me whatsoever.

 

[mlb1399]

Going in the second round isn’t the worst thing in the world. A lot of good players are drafted in the second round and it can serve as motivation for someone who believes they’re a great player and use it for a chip on their shoulder.

He’s got great natural athleticism, very instinctive and amazing ball skills. I feel pretty good about the kid. For CB’s, 40 time is a little more important because teams will view that as not being able to cover burner WR’s although withthe right technique and/or system, that won’t matter as much.