Jackson postpones decision
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STOP THE DAMN CRYING!!! We just need a better recruiting philosophy and better recruiters. Forget the in-state Michigan crap. We couldn't hold onto a in-state Iowa guy when someone else came calling. If we can't close the deal after a BIG 10 championship year, there is no hope. We have coaches that can coach and develop but can't recruit worth a damn.
Harbaugh is trying to get even with Iowa for the early years spent in Iowa City. Once read where he hated our winters when he was a kid. It definitely isn't for sissy boys.
I'm interpreting posts from previous threads, but it doesn't appear offering Jackson has anything to do with cutting this Swenson kid. They're offering Jackson because they lost the Maryland high school kid to Stanford. Two separate cases, apparently.
Yes, he would be a replacement for Hamilton, who went to Stanford. Nothing to do with Swenson
I actually talked to John Harbaugh when I was deployed and he came to visit. His eyes lit up when I told him I was from Iowa and that I was an Iowa fan. He said some of his best child hood memories were in Iowa City so I have a hard time believing Jim has some sort of animosity towards Iowa in any way. He's just a natural D bag who is completely desperate to beat Ohio State.
You just keep telling yourself that. We just lack recruiters. Not sure if they are lazy or inept. We'll just sweep in on Akron or Buffalo to steal an OL. Kirk is a good coach, just imagine what he could achieve if he hired bulldog of a recruiter! I live in Lexington and believe Kirk is a much better coach than Mark Stoops, but look at the class they have coming off back to back 5-7 seasons???? Some strong in-state talent, but despite strong pushes from Bama and Ohio St for a few of them, he kept them home. Piersbacher was a recruiting mismatch and a complete fail by the staff.
Harbaugh is just doing what any aggressive recruiter/coach would do. He's got a big group of boosters who expect that attitude. While I, as an Iowa fan, don't like it... I can certainly understand it.
As stated, it will always be difficult to recruit to Iowa. Especially out of State kids. I believe Illinois is our best bet on a normal basis for out of Staters. Unfortunately, the Foster kid apparently just didn't trip their trigger this year.
We REALLY need Boettger, Croston, and Myers to step up the next few years.
As stated, it will always be difficult to recruit to Iowa. Especially out of State kids. I believe Illinois is our best bet on a normal basis for out of Staters. Unfortunately, the Foster kid apparently just didn't trip their trigger this year.
We REALLY need Boettger, Croston, and Myers to step up the next few years.
It's a dog eat dog world out there. These young men have tough decisions to make and are very prone to making the wrong one. Hopefully he chooses wisely.
Not much else Iowa can legally do. Don't waste your time breath bashing Iowa. A whiff would be passing on them.
Any idiot that claims Kirk can't recruit know neither Kirk nor recruiting. Over the past couple of years I have become friends with a current player's Mom. She said yes the minute Kirk walked into her living room. Fortunately for us her son felt the same way. She never set foot on campus until dropping him off the summer before his freshman year. Actually she had never set foot in the state prior to that trip. You need to take your B&G glasses off and realize not everyone views IOWA, the state or university, the way we do.
There are a lot of flaky high school kids out there and that does not reflect anything about Kirk or the staff
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Iowa's fate does not hang on what this kid, or any other recruit, decides. Recruiting is a necessary evil, and this drama will continue until kids are allowed to sign as soon as they want...or as late as they want...but get rid of "national signing day." It's that simple.
I don't pay much attention before someone IS a hawk.... So don't know a whole lot about recruiting.
Are you saying no one can sign with a team before the signing day?
I would have loved to get Farniok and Jackson in Hawkeye uniforms, but Iowa develops good offensive linemen every year, most from Iowa. I would be more concerned if we lost Fant or some other skill position player that we recruited. We can't afford to lose skill guys at Iowa, especially with speed.
Harbaugh coming in the last 3 days before signing day and starting to recruit a kid at the last second, is like a "Scab" taking someone's job when they're on strike!
Harbaugh coming in the last 3 days before signing day and starting to recruit a kid at the last second, is like a "Scab" taking someone's job when they're on strike!
What must you think of KF ? After all he got Des King to flip from a MAC school 01/27/13 Don't hate the player hate the game !
O-Line is the position where stars matter the least. You can take an athletic kid with a big frame and build an o line man. I think missing out on Jackson is much worse than Farniok . Farniok doesn't seem much different to me than the Paulsens or Wacheter. He may be a little more advanced right now but in the end all three may end up better than he will. Jackson has the true frame to be an OT and we do not have many players like that.
Depends if Ferentz was recruiting King, beforehand. If the first time he spoke to him was 5 days before signing day, I wouldn't think much of it. If he had made contact with him earlier in the recruiting period and finally offered him, then I think it was fine. Sounded like Michigan, just contacted Jackson 3 days before signing date and tried to flip him.
At least Kirk and company actually recruited Desmond before they offered him a scholarship. I haven't seen anything connecting Jackson to Michigan before today
I think all you can hope for is the young man makes the best decision for him and his family. I know nothing about him personally, Maybe he grew up a die hard Wolverine fan, Hard to fault him if he finally get's a shot at his dream school. It is frustrating knowing the staff put a lot of time and effort in to getting the young man, And perhaps they still will, Hard to make a living trying to cater to the whims of a 16-17 year old young man.
For those that think Iowa doesn't have any "closers", ask yourself this.
Hairball, Saban, Urban Meyer...whomever you guys think are "closers". Ask yourself if you think they get the exact same recruits they are getting at Alabama, OSU and Michigan, while coaching at Iowa.
Now ask yourself if Ferentz at their schools would get the exact same recruits he gets at Iowa coaching at Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan et al.
Don't EVER kid yourself into thinking it's easy to get the biggest of the big recruits at Iowa. The best coaches in Iowa football history weren't able to do it either, I don't understand why one would think Ferentz would too.
Hairball, Saban, Urban Meyer...whomever you guys think are "closers". Ask yourself if you think they get the exact same recruits they are getting at Alabama, OSU and Michigan, while coaching at Iowa.
Now ask yourself if Ferentz at their schools would get the exact same recruits he gets at Iowa coaching at Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan et al.
Don't EVER kid yourself into thinking it's easy to get the biggest of the big recruits at Iowa. The best coaches in Iowa football history weren't able to do it either, I don't understand why one would think Ferentz would too.
You said the key word HOME you dumbship. That is why it is hard at Iowa because we have to go outside our state for a lot of prospects. Prospects will stay close to home in most cases. You bring up 1 recruit and act like we've been ourecruited in our state. If you kmow anything about recruiting or why kids typically stay within a 2 hour radius of their home you wouldn't post such ignorant comments. This isn't fantasy football my friend.
Yes I understand this, but why not stick with Swenson a bit longer if their plan was to pull the rug out anyways?
I guess I should have phrased it better...they cut Swenson loose to go after a higher rates recruit. Shortly after, they end up losing out so they're back to recruiting a guy at the same level of recruit as Swenson in Jackson.
Basically, what I'm saying if F Michigan and their khaki queen
Is it just me, or are there a lot of dumbasses who think they are authorities on recruiting? Can one of you football recruiting geniuses explain to me why Hayden Fry did not have any higher recruits on average then Kirk Ferentz? I guess he was inept and could not recruit either. This is Iowa, I know it is hard for some people to understand, but most high ranked recruits are going to choose a Michigan or an Ohio State over an Iowa. Its called tradition, and Iowa has some, but not to there calibur. You can piss and moan every year (which your still going to), but it ain't gonna change.
Wrong! It is easy to sit behind your computer screen and declare that we should be able to go into Michigan and sign recruits that are being recruited by Michigan or MSU, but in reality it is very difficult and always will be. Our staff does a great job recruiting, but getting star players from out of state is always an uphill battle when the home state schools come calling. . Hayden said it, Evy said it, but you in your wisdom know better.
Nick, do you believe that OSU recruits any differently?
You're gonna piss and moan every year that people don't worship in the same way you do and that ain't gonna change.
Great tweet by Zach regarding Harbaugh. I guess Zach follows Iowa recruiting and is none to happy with Harbaughs late tactics, which also did last year.
Bottom line, we have used up our in-home visit and visit to Iowa. All we can hope for is this young man sees where he has a better chance of developing. Iowa has a long track record under Ferentz of developing NFL ready linemen. I am hoping his friendship with Lattimore and close ties to our staff over a longer period of time offsets his proximity to Michigan.
Alaric would top off this class nicely.
Bottom line, we have used up our in-home visit and visit to Iowa. All we can hope for is this young man sees where he has a better chance of developing. Iowa has a long track record under Ferentz of developing NFL ready linemen. I am hoping his friendship with Lattimore and close ties to our staff over a longer period of time offsets his proximity to Michigan.
Alaric would top off this class nicely.
To me this comes down to recruiting strategy. Why is that they put all their eggs in the Farniok and Jackson basket since the fall? Why weren't there other offers to more OT prospects? They have had a lot of time to evaluate and offer some other prospects and chose not to and that to me is a failure.
Losing Jackson is disappointing ( Bucky lost 2 to OSU in a similar fashion) but there IS more than hope if the staff , as you say, can coach and develop. It took BA a few recruiting cycles to figure that out. Even after what appears to be a higher average "star" class for WI this cycle, there is still hand wringing about certain staff members not being recruiting bulldogs or closers. I think this poster (GSOBadger) last night made a point that Iowa fans can also relate to:
"I love the way Badger fans pay attention to the preferred walk-ons. I always have to laugh when I watch recruiting shows on TV and they talk about how walk-ons are important to fill scout team, and, maybe if they're really good, special teams roles. Meanwhile we Badger fans fully expect to find a few two-deep, starters, captains, all-B1G, and even all-American mentions in each year's bunch!"
Correct me if I am wrong, but you can see similar outcomes at Iowa.
Good luck, Mr. Jackson. I think you made a bad decision.
I can see where Jackson is coming from if Michigan is his dream school. If Kirk and Iowa offered me 3 days before signing day and I was a lean for another B1G team I would probably still pick the hawks. With that said the kid has to realize he is their fall back plan and his chances of seeing the field there are much slimmer
Every year since KF has been here the class we have this year is about the norm for what Iowa usually pulls in (05' class one of the few exceptions). Yet some still get all upset over the lack of stars next to a players name. By now you'd think our class rank wouldn't be a surprise to some.
Or in case of Jackson it happens to every school losing a guy on signing day. Only difference some people here forget is Jackson never committed to Iowa unlike Higdon last year. It's going to happen some years. Iowa gets players already committed to others schools to flip as well. As for the whole Michigan & OSU as other poster stated if Urban Meyer or Harbaugh and KF switched spots you don't think KF would be bringing in better recruits at OSU or Michigan or that they'd actually get the same classes to come to Iowa. Sorry but name matters, always have and always will to a certain extent in the recruiting game.
Or in case of Jackson it happens to every school losing a guy on signing day. Only difference some people here forget is Jackson never committed to Iowa unlike Higdon last year. It's going to happen some years. Iowa gets players already committed to others schools to flip as well. As for the whole Michigan & OSU as other poster stated if Urban Meyer or Harbaugh and KF switched spots you don't think KF would be bringing in better recruits at OSU or Michigan or that they'd actually get the same classes to come to Iowa. Sorry but name matters, always have and always will to a certain extent in the recruiting game.
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