Jim Jordan (Redux Joe Paterno, Dennis Hastert, Larry Nassar)
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Sure, and he was impeached for it. Let’s put Jim Jordan under oath and see if his answers are the same.
Agree. The refugees were not targeted. It was another angry Ghetto rat democrat trying to get back at other apartment complex residents for kicking him out. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. It had nothing to do with their immigrant muslim status. It was a random Killing spree with a KNIFE. They just lived in the wrong complex that day. FWIW legal refugees are not illegal immigrants.
If the Clinton outcome and penalty is the same - why bother? Just lawyers getting paid. And the convicted walks away without any penalty. This is the Star
Two of wrestlers aren't the most credible witnesses but ateast two others have publicly come forward. In addition, the head coach at the time has made comments that support their characterization of the doctor. Finally, athletes from 14 other sports at OSU have told investigators similar stories about the doctors behavior.
Mark Coleman, former UFC Champ, is now on the record with WSJ saying Jim Jordan knew what was going on at the time.
Why are you so angry? and calling other posters names? I just did not want to open your link - that contains spam and your style of porn, and whatever comes with that. Nothing wrong with what you do in your mom's basement.
BTW - do not edit my original post to make your point! at least be decent and leave it intact - and answer the entire post.
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“There’s no way unless he’s got dementia or something that he’s got no recollection of what was going on at Ohio State,” Mr. Coleman, the mixed martial arts champion, said of Mr. Jordan in an interview Wednesday. Messrs. Coleman and Jordan roomed together on several wrestling trips, Mr. Coleman said. “I have nothing but respect for this man, I love this man, but he knew as far as I’m concerned.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mmajun...ark-coleman-thankful-for-gofundme-support/amp
I wonder if Mark was still unemployed.
I wonder if Mark was still unemployed.
The guy called me an idiot for suggesting a politicians supporters won't turn on pols, and intimated that my comment had to do with party. He got defensive.
Calm down snowflake.
You call people little and weak and then talk about keyboard muscles.
You bring up a different thread because *gasp* someone doesn't like the person you voted for.
Grow up.
You asked ("???") so I tried to provide clarification with direct quotes.
No need to get so worked up about it.
Btw, Clinton had no escapades with "16 year old interns"... maybe you were thinking of Roy Moore? Oh wait....never mind, that was a 14 year old.
awesome comeback! pretty sure I won't be able to sleep tonight thinking about how your meaningless quotes are relevant to Iowa Wrestling!
SW - I think this thread clearly went sideways and has almost nothing to do with Jordan. I'm out of this crap thread! Cheers! Go Oregon Weed Man!
I didn’t have the energy to sift through this thread but my $.02 is that this is something that very likely happened. Jordan’s issue is that he is lying about it which is bringing him unnecessary scrutiny. The plaintiffs are 100% doing it for money but that doesn’t mean this didn’t occur. The media is running with it because of Jordan’s politics which I don’t want to get into on the wrestling board but suffice to say I don’t agree with him.
I watched Jordan being interviewed on the 4th. He couldn't even look at the reporter while he stuttered around trying to make himself believe that he knew nothing.
Yep. Do you know any Democrat Congressmen that would tell the truth?
My 2 cents. No one can say Jordan knew for certain unless they personally told him with details. Saying "the Doc is creepy" doesn't cut it.
I now know that your a Republican and that when someone says something naughty about Republicans you can't accept it. Surprised you didn't say it was Hillary's fault or Obama's.
Sounds like everyone knew - ya know, common knowlege. Yet Jim Jordan, then occupying the lofty position of assistant wrestling coach, is at the center of the sh*tstorm. Anyone who can't figure this one out is an idiot.
BTW, when did lying become a career-buster in Washington?
BTW, when did lying become a career-buster in Washington?
I don’t know how to post tweets but just wanted to leave this one here from Terry Crews:
Why didn’t you say something? I did. Why didn’t you push him off? I did. Why didn’t you cuss him out? I did. Why didn’t you tell the police? I did. Why didn’t you press charges? I did. Why did you just let it happen? I didn’t. Why didn’t you beat him up? (Sigh)
Why didn’t you say something? I did. Why didn’t you push him off? I did. Why didn’t you cuss him out? I did. Why didn’t you tell the police? I did. Why didn’t you press charges? I did. Why did you just let it happen? I didn’t. Why didn’t you beat him up? (Sigh)
Not at all. Actually I am not a fan of DT. I bring it up because you and your alter ego (meaning your other screen name bphawkeye_Rivals ) are intolerant hypocrites hiding behind a mask of pseudo intellectualism. Accountability is a bitch! Not something you are accustomed to no doubt.
For years I gave out those "Ivy League educations" you like to brag about. You were clearly trying to educate beyond your intelligence. Hint: judge less and think more. It will serve you better than the drivel you exude.
That was In response to someone who stared blaming liberals for Sam stoll related shit.
Alter-ego? Wtf are you talking about dude?
Who is intolerant of whom? Do I look down on people who blindly follow politicians? Hell yes. That doesn’t make me intolerant.
You wanna know what happened to civility? People like you called it “political correctness” and mocked it.
Alter-ego? Wtf are you talking about dude?
Who is intolerant of whom? Do I look down on people who blindly follow politicians? Hell yes. That doesn’t make me intolerant.
You wanna know what happened to civility? People like you called it “political correctness” and mocked it.
Interesting comments throughout. Admittedly no fan of Jim Jordan (as wrestler or politician); “methinks the lady doth protest too much”. Anyone who has spent time in the wrestling room will know that any sensational/scandalous news will have made its way all through the team by the end of that days’ workout. Jordan’s denial that he did not hear, did not see, nor speak about these matters defies linear logic.
Having witnessed Jordan during numerous congressional hearings (Russian collusion, Benghazi, Clinton server, et al), clearly he is no practitioner of Due Process. Rather his tactic(s) suggest the Joseph McCarthy trade school of fact finding; slander, bully, guilt by association. In sum blame the victim.
We will hear more about this matter. Perhaps Mr. Jordan could use some good legal advice. Rather than seeing children (young adults/young athletes) as an opportunity to do harm, follow the advice of Mr. Rogers; “try to do something nice, try to help someone”. Maybe this is not legal advice. Maybe it is just advice. Maybe I expect too much.
Having witnessed Jordan during numerous congressional hearings (Russian collusion, Benghazi, Clinton server, et al), clearly he is no practitioner of Due Process. Rather his tactic(s) suggest the Joseph McCarthy trade school of fact finding; slander, bully, guilt by association. In sum blame the victim.
We will hear more about this matter. Perhaps Mr. Jordan could use some good legal advice. Rather than seeing children (young adults/young athletes) as an opportunity to do harm, follow the advice of Mr. Rogers; “try to do something nice, try to help someone”. Maybe this is not legal advice. Maybe it is just advice. Maybe I expect too much.
So law enforcement was contacted and charges were pressed...and nothing happened? And this happened 30 years ago?? I am having a hard time understanding what happened here. It seems pretty fishy to me at this point.
It appears you are conflating the Terry Crews incident with the OSU scandal outlined in the OP.
Let me ask you a question.... Did it seem fishy to you that so many alleged victims had complained to university leaders and police about Sandusky’s and Nassar’s predatory behavior for years before there were stopped?
Because I see a pattern...
I certainly may be conflating these subjects, as I thought the post in the thread about Jim Jordan, et al, was wrestler related. I don't know the identities of the 4 or 5 wrestlers that have apparently come forward, etc. I take it by your comments that Terry Crews is not one of those wrestlers??
As to the Sandusky/Paterno debacle...I don't recall knowing much about that until it was fairly apparent that Paterno had in fact been in the know and allowed and/or facilitated a cover up. I don't know enough about the OSU/Jordan thing at this time to compare the two.
They may be the same, they may be different, I just truly don't know right now. All of that said...I do find it very confusing as to how so much abuse can go on for so long, with so many people involved and/or apparently "in the know", etc, and yet it still continues. (This is also true about the Nassar/MSU situation IMO.)
Perhaps people are just way sicker, and more oriented to covering up these types of things, at these large educational institutions. It really is WAY different than anything that I have experienced in decades of work in private companies. I have never seen anything remotely close to this and on this type of scale in all my years...so it is a little hard to get my head around it. I guess maybe I am glad I never went to work at a B10 University...in a sports related field??
I am not sure that I understand your last comment about a "pattern".
I don't really see a cover up scenario like Paterno. Helickson has been stated as saying he went to confront Strauss and told administration that Strauss was at the very least making the guys uncomfortable. Does not say what else he reported. Highly unlikely Jordan would be involved in any cover-up.
Perhaps people are just way sicker, and more oriented to covering up these types of things, at these large educational institutions. It really is WAY different than anything that I have experienced in decades of work in private companies. I have never seen anything remotely close to this and on this type of scale in all my years...so it is a little hard to get my head around it. I guess maybe I am glad I never went to work at a B10 University...in a sports related field??
These are such horrendous accusations for these schools. I think it is a weighing out of the options. 1. you come out and say something and its a huge black eye for the school. 2. you do not come out and sweep it under the rug and hope no one says anything, or let future people deal with that.
option 1 is the morally right stance to take, but there is no winners here except vindication for the victims. option two you continue the status quo.
That could be the thinking, I am not sure. But I would also think that people in charge, even if they don't have a sense of right and wrong or any type of moral code that would guide them to taking care of the victims and stopping the abuse, would have enough brains to realize that things like this on a large scale do not stay "hidden" forever. Who knows? It still boggles my mind.
Hard to tell in this situation. I don't think the scope of what happened is really comparable to PSU. People on this thread are for sure judging based on politics on both sides. My only comment on it is if Jim Jordan was a waste disposal technician now his name would not have even been mentioned let alone being the most mentioned. No matter your politics that would seem pretty obvious. This was reported to have happened a long time ago.. I find it odd that none of these adults said a thing until now, even when the guy died nothing was said.
Now back in those days when a person was not quite right they were labeled as kind of creepy and it was understood. There would be rumors of this and that but it seemed nothing ever concrete was known. An example I know growing up as a kid was a guy involved with a kids group. He seemed a bit off, he would take the boys to go swimming at the lake sometimes but it was not planned so we would wear our undies or some even went skinny dipping. As kids we did not think anything of it, he stayed on shore. He would also have camp ins in the winter in an empty house. There was one kid who was kind of troubled and would get upset easily. The guy would take him to a different room than the rest of us to "talk" to him. We all thought it was odd but that's about it. One time the guy tried to get me to go to his room and my internal alert went off and I freaked out. I was never touched anywhere but just felt really creeped out. I insisted on calling my mom to come get me and I never went on another camp in. Probably ten years later the guy got caught molesting a young boy who was his neighbor and was sent to prison. Looking back as an adult it was clear the guy was a pervert. That said other than being creeped out me or the other kids never knew of a concrete incident of molestation. I have to assume he groped that troubled kid but I never saw it and the kid never said anything. I can assure you had I been an adult and he had tried something some bad shit would have happened to him.
In this case was the Dr. just giving people the creeps? Was it hey, Dr. X is a weird dude and creeps me out? Were there specific examples where he tried to perform such and such sexual act or just subtle things that made people feel weirded out? How was what he did communicated at the time? Did people come forward with accusations of specific abuse or just say the guy is a creeper?
I never told my mom I thought the group leader was a molester and at the time had no grounds to, I said he was weird. I'm not sure I really knew what was creeping me out, I just felt something was not right. I told her I did not want to go back there anymore and didn't.
This was what Hellickson said in one article. I have read where others state he said acknowledged it so not sure which is which.
“Neither Jim nor I would sidestep or avoid challenges for our wrestlers just because the circumstances were painful or uncomfortable — in fact, those are the kind of circumstances that motivated Jim the most,” reads the statement.
“At no time while Jim Jordan was a coach with me at Ohio State did either of us ignore abuse of our wrestlers. That is not the kind of man Jim is, and it is not the kind of coach that I was,” said Hellickson, who called Jordan “the most honorable man I have ever known.”
Now back in those days when a person was not quite right they were labeled as kind of creepy and it was understood. There would be rumors of this and that but it seemed nothing ever concrete was known. An example I know growing up as a kid was a guy involved with a kids group. He seemed a bit off, he would take the boys to go swimming at the lake sometimes but it was not planned so we would wear our undies or some even went skinny dipping. As kids we did not think anything of it, he stayed on shore. He would also have camp ins in the winter in an empty house. There was one kid who was kind of troubled and would get upset easily. The guy would take him to a different room than the rest of us to "talk" to him. We all thought it was odd but that's about it. One time the guy tried to get me to go to his room and my internal alert went off and I freaked out. I was never touched anywhere but just felt really creeped out. I insisted on calling my mom to come get me and I never went on another camp in. Probably ten years later the guy got caught molesting a young boy who was his neighbor and was sent to prison. Looking back as an adult it was clear the guy was a pervert. That said other than being creeped out me or the other kids never knew of a concrete incident of molestation. I have to assume he groped that troubled kid but I never saw it and the kid never said anything. I can assure you had I been an adult and he had tried something some bad shit would have happened to him.
In this case was the Dr. just giving people the creeps? Was it hey, Dr. X is a weird dude and creeps me out? Were there specific examples where he tried to perform such and such sexual act or just subtle things that made people feel weirded out? How was what he did communicated at the time? Did people come forward with accusations of specific abuse or just say the guy is a creeper?
I never told my mom I thought the group leader was a molester and at the time had no grounds to, I said he was weird. I'm not sure I really knew what was creeping me out, I just felt something was not right. I told her I did not want to go back there anymore and didn't.
This was what Hellickson said in one article. I have read where others state he said acknowledged it so not sure which is which.
“Neither Jim nor I would sidestep or avoid challenges for our wrestlers just because the circumstances were painful or uncomfortable — in fact, those are the kind of circumstances that motivated Jim the most,” reads the statement.
“At no time while Jim Jordan was a coach with me at Ohio State did either of us ignore abuse of our wrestlers. That is not the kind of man Jim is, and it is not the kind of coach that I was,” said Hellickson, who called Jordan “the most honorable man I have ever known.”
You would think they would, but who wants their name tied to a sex scandal in any way? it only leads to more questions. If you end it in 94' then how was it allowed to go this long? if you end it in 86' then how did this sicko get hired. I am not saying I agree, or think it is right, but thats the only thing that makes sense to me.
I certainly may be conflating these subjects, as I thought the post in the thread about Jim Jordan, et al, was wrestler related. I don't know the identities of the 4 or 5 wrestlers that have apparently come forward, etc. I take it by your comments that Terry Crews is not one of those wrestlers??
As to the Sandusky/Paterno debacle...I don't recall knowing much about that until it was fairly apparent that Paterno had in fact been in the know and allowed and/or facilitated a cover up. I don't know enough about the OSU/Jordan thing at this time to compare the two.
They may be the same, they may be different, I just truly don't know right now. All of that said...I do find it very confusing as to how so much abuse can go on for so long, with so many people involved and/or apparently "in the know", etc, and yet it still continues. (This is also true about the Nassar/MSU situation IMO.)
Perhaps people are just way sicker, and more oriented to covering up these types of things, at these large educational institutions. It really is WAY different than anything that I have experienced in decades of work in private companies. I have never seen anything remotely close to this and on this type of scale in all my years...so it is a little hard to get my head around it. I guess maybe I am glad I never went to work at a B10 University...in a sports related field??
I am not sure that I understand your last comment about a "pattern".
I see a pattern of behavior in all the molestation cases mentioned. It sounds like you do too. Many cases go on for years with nothing done by those in power. Shit gets swept under a rug. And then a portion of the general public refuse to believe the accusations in the end.
The financial liability for these situations is just enormous. Reported that Michigan State University paid $500, 000.000 (yes, million) in settlement for the Nassar series of incidents. It was subsequently reported that MSU does/did not have the money to pay this settlement. So back to the taxpayers?
Ohio State University must make a most rigorous effort to investigate/review/scrutinize their own operations. One can only contemplate on what they will find. Any review should be exhaustive, and it will not be bargain-basement. MSU did a review of their operations prior to the storm. Finding little evidence of university complicity! Wow! Wow! A real whitewash.
Now comes the United States Government.
Ohio State University must make a most rigorous effort to investigate/review/scrutinize their own operations. One can only contemplate on what they will find. Any review should be exhaustive, and it will not be bargain-basement. MSU did a review of their operations prior to the storm. Finding little evidence of university complicity! Wow! Wow! A real whitewash.
Now comes the United States Government.
That was quite the post. I tried to save the relevant information.
There are athletes from at least 14 sports claiming the guy was a creeper. One example was requiring a wrestler to take off his pants for a sprained thumb.
I repeat, there are athletes from over a dozen sports that have complained about this guy. It sounds like the problem is/was endemic to the university and not just the wrestling program.
Btw, at least four wrestlers have come forward claiming that the coach in question knew of the abuse allegations while the creeper still worked for the university.
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