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Jimmy Carter passes

Just over 50 years ago, on Dec 12, 1974, Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter announced in Atlanta that he was a Democratic candidate for the presidency.

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To all the trolls, I hope you all die in a fire. Seriously. Jimmy Carter was a goddamn national treasure. He was dealt a shit hand during his presidency.

It sure would be nice if this thread could stay focused on honoring President Carter’s lifetime of service to his country and his fellow Americans.

Then some dipshit compares you to Rush.
I regret skimming through this thread. I should have known some would try to derail it with hate and vitriol.

Unfortunate, but not surprising.
 
Yeah I was sort of wondering whether I had forgotten the part about the popular revolution in the ussr in the 70s. And it’s not like Andropov succeeding Brezhnev in 81 reflected some sort of popular liberalization
Yeah, in the end the USSR fell because Gorbachev, while a true believer in communism, was not bloodthirsty enough to keep it going.
If you have a Lenin or Stalin at the helm in the 80s-90s it keeps on trucking as miserably as North Korea.
 
Yeah, in the end the USSR fell because Gorbachev, while a true believer in communism, was not bloodthirsty enough to keep it going.
If you have a Lenin or Stalin at the helm in the 80s-90s it keeps on trucking as miserably as North Korea.
A more ruthless guy might have bought the USSR a few more years, but imo not that much. the support structure was near collapse as it was.
 
A more ruthless guy might have bought the USSR a few more years, but imo not that much. the support structure was near collapse as it was.
Look at North Korea.
A Stalinist regime can keep on going as long as it has a Stalinist at the helm.
Not that there's anything good about that, it's just facts.
That's why sanctions weren't ever going to topple Saddam Hussein.
 
Look at North Korea.
A Stalinist regime can keep on going as long as it has a Stalinist at the helm.
Not that there's anything good about that, it's just facts.
That's why sanctions weren't ever going to topple Saddam Hussein.
What works in a small country is a lot harder to do in something like the USSR.
 
What works in a small country is a lot harder to do in something like the USSR.
Yet it 'worked' for decades.
The difference was the man on top thought you could still run communism under less than a bloodthirsty, totalitarian regime. He was a 'true believer' in communism.
He was wrong.

You're not going to convince anyone knowledgeable about the horrors in Russia over the last century that the '80's were somehow less tolerable to the people living there than the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, etc.
 
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Might have been one of the best ex presidents in history. Unfortunately not a great president, however he held on long enough to see his title of worst modern president surpassed by Biden. Carter knew if he could just hold on long enough someone would knock him off his perch and Biden answered the bell in a huge way allowing Jimmy to go in peace.

STFU, you insipid POS.
 
Sure, but by the 80s the infrastructure was crumbling.

The 'infrastructure' was always terrible, Bernie Sanders 1988 extollations notwithstanding.

Empires built on terror and conquest always fall in the end - a lesson that history feels compelled to teach us over and over again. It will happen in China and North Korea someday as well.
My point isn't that they are eternal, it's that as long as the people at the top are willing to perpetrate a Tiananmen Square style massacre, and the people know it, it will persist.

'Crumbling infrastructure' didn't depose Saddam Hussein, and never would have.
 
"The challenges Jimmy faced as President came at a pivotal time for our country and he did everything in his power to improve the lives of all Americans. For that, we all owe him a debt of gratitude."

"Melania and I are thinking warmly of the Carter Family and their loved ones during this difficult time. We urge everyone to keep them in their hearts and prayers"

- President elect Donald Trump
Kind words from Dan Scavino.
 
I’m 100% serious. Every thread immediately turns into partisan sniping. The man served as an officer in the United States Navy. And regardless of what anyone thinks of his presidency, he did more humanitarian work than any other former President in my lifetime.

If there’s a Heaven, I hope he’s up there eating peanuts and sipping sweet tea.
With a Braves cap on.
 
Yeah, what a dumbass he was. In the first days of his term in office we faced brutally cold weather and natural gas shortages that forced widespread school closings. And he had the audacity to suggest that people turn down their thermostats a couple degrees and put on warmer clothes.

What kind of moron thinks that Americans would be willing to make small sacrifices for the greater good?
He was 30+ years ahead of the solar revolution, too. People laughed that he had them installed at the WH. God forbid an engineer be cutting edge and we use free solar power.
 
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The 'infrastructure' was always terrible, Bernie Sanders 1988 extollations notwithstanding.


My point isn't that they are eternal, it's that as long as the people at the top are willing to perpetrate a Tiananmen Square style massacre, and the people know it, it will persist.

'Crumbling infrastructure' didn't depose Saddam Hussein, and never would have.
History says all such regimes fall in time.

By the 1980s, there was almost no one left from the generation that learned the lessons of terror and tyranny from Stalin; and the succeeding generations saw the ability to hold together all the groups that were held together by force to decline rapidly - the inability to subdue Afghanistan proved this to all.

Maybe Saddam would have been able to maintain his control until his death, and maybe not. When we finally kicked in the gates in the mid-2000s, it didn't take much.

China bought time after Tiananmen and witnessing the fall of the USSR by instituting some changes that at least partly covered over the cracks that decades of communist control had created. Unwittingly perhaps, Xi has undone many of those changes in his desire to maintain his rule.
 
1976 Electoral College Map. Note that Vermont, Illinois and California, heck the entire west coast went Republican.

That’s a pretty amazing graphic. And while many of the Bsky comments blame the change on the rise of evangelical racists in the south, that doesn’t exactly explain the changes to ca, wa, or, il, vt nj, ct and the like. And ny…41 ev’s!
 
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Since you mentioned the Braves, a little known fact that I just learned - Carter began the tradition of inviting championship teams to the White House in 1980 when he invited the Pittsburgh Steelers and Pirates.
Actually, among my very favorite Carter things was when he held the “jazz bbq” at the White House and Dixie Gillespie asked him to sing along on “salt peanuts”.

 
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Since you mentioned the Braves, a little known fact that I just learned - Carter began the tradition of inviting championship teams to the White House in 1980 when he invited the Pittsburgh Steelers and Pirates.
I did not know that.
 
1976 Electoral College Map. Note that Vermont, Illinois and California, heck the entire west coast went Republican.


A lot more states were swing states back then. It's probably when democracy in this country was working best because general elections all over the country were contested.

Our biggest problem is fewer and fewer swing states and fewer and fewer swing voters.
 
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