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I try to follow recruiting as little as possible, but I wonder how Illinois could possibly be "killing it on the recruiting trail." What could possibly attract a decent player to Champaign? That ugly, empty stadium? The great tradition of recent years? The amazing uniforms? What...besides playing time...is available at Illinois?
 
I try to follow recruiting as little as possible, but I wonder how Illinois could possibly be "killing it on the recruiting trail." What could possibly attract a decent player to Champaign? That ugly, empty stadium? The great tradition of recent years? The amazing uniforms? What...besides playing time...is available at Illinois?

The smell?
 

1. The history of each program from their implementation strongly suggest that Iowa State is a transitional stop for coaches including the famous Pop Warner. Recent history suggests that it's not even close in the stability of head coaches for each program.

2. Ferentz had previously been connected to Iowa, respected the stability and while put himself in a position to be hired by other schools or NFL teams did not choose to do so. Campbell has neither of those connections to ISU and it will remain to be seen what he chooses to do once and if that opportunity ever comes. Dan McCarney was your only hope of a coach who wanted to stay and was good enough to stay at Iowa State. That's a pretty much once in a generation coach. You are being dishonest if by simple review of the Iowa State history, you cannot admit that they have a problem.
 
LOL. Great response. Typical ISU argument. No facts or data so just LOL as the response. Little brother delusion. Again how many top 10's has ISU in 100 plus years (KF has 5), and has Iowa under KF won more bowl games than ISU has even participated in ever? My God, you have a historic football season and finish with the same record as Iowa who you lost to at home, and Iowa's SOS was harder. I assume you also saw since you follow Iowa like PsychoTwins does, that Iowa was named O Line U. You need help pal.
 
1. The history of each program from their implementation strongly suggest that Iowa State is a transitional stop for coaches including the famous Pop Warner. Recent history suggests that it's not even close in the stability of head coaches for each program.

2. Ferentz had previously been connected to Iowa, respected the stability and while put himself in a position to be hired by other schools or NFL teams did not choose to do so. Campbell has neither of those connections to ISU and it will remain to be seen what he chooses to do once and if that opportunity ever comes. Dan McCarney was your only hope of a coach who wanted to stay and was good enough to stay at Iowa State. That's a pretty much once in a generation coach. You are being dishonest if by simple review of the Iowa State history, you cannot admit that they have a problem.
Well thought out response, but just one problem......Matt Campbell....he signed an extension and declared he wants to be in Ames regardless of what the folks(Kirk H.) in the "know" claim. See, Iowa's program was basically the worst in the nation prior to Fry and he turned it around and stayed.
 
Extensions don't mean anything. Are you kidding? What is his buyout? My guess is tip money for real programs whose boosters may want Campbell. Look Eye I think Campbell is a good coach and will be in demand if ISU has another good season. He is young and energetic and no offense but if you win at ISU you can get great offers, see e.g., Chizik. Even my objective ISU fans (there are a few in Ankeny) don't think he is there after next year if they go to another bowl. And ISU fans saying Campbell said he wants to retire in Ames as support he won't leave are idiots. What is he supposed to say?
 
Extensions don't mean anything. Are you kidding? What is his buyout? My guess is tip money for real programs whose boosters may want Campbell. Look Eye I think Campbell is a good coach and will be in demand if ISU has another good season. He is young and energetic and no offense but if you win at ISU you can get great offers, see e.g., Chizik. Even my objective ISU fans (there are a few in Ankeny) don't think he is there after next year if they go to another bowl. And ISU fans saying Campbell said he wants to retire in Ames as support he won't leave are idiots. What is he supposed to say?
Kujo, every time you post it just strengthens my position. I noticed that you are in lockstep with herkyfan which basically destroys any credibility you have. You claim to be an attorney, but you provide rumor and supposition instead of facts. You then resort to name calling when called out. I guess that aninmoty on a message board allows folks to claim to be whoever they want to be.
 
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Well thought out response, but just one problem......Matt Campbell....he signed an extension and declared he wants to be in Ames regardless of what the folks(Kirk H.) in the "know" claim. See, Iowa's program was basically the worst in the nation prior to Fry and he turned it around and stayed.
Agree that Hayden was the man. You know as well as I that extensions are not worth anything. This is why I said "if the opportunity will ever come". If he is good enough he will be tempted. Just like Hayden, just like Ferentz. Coaches have egos and like it or not Iowa State that's always been second to Iowa in State and National perception, second to Iowa in recruiting in a state that has a limited Division 1 recruits. If Campbell gets stroked by another program I believe his ego says take it.
 
Agree that Hayden was the man. You know as well as I that extensions are not worth anything. This is why I said "if the opportunity will ever come". If he is good enough he will be tempted. Just like Hayden, just like Ferentz. Coaches have egos and like it or not Iowa State that's always been second to Iowa in State and National perception, second to Iowa in recruiting in a state that has a limited Division 1 recruits. If Campbell gets stroked by another program I believe his ego says take it.
He might, but he just claimed publicly in the last week that coaches get paid too much. If he leaves, it won't be for money. If his dream job is Ohio St, Notre Dame, or Mich, and they come calling then we will see what happens. What I do know is that his Alma Mater is Mount Union so there may not be a dream job.....or he has it.
 
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We are not hoping for Ferentz like tenure from Campbell. We shoot much higher than that. Campbell is starting to win sooner than Ferentz and he has upgraded recruiting significantly. He is also a number of years young than KF when he started. We have much higher aspirations.
LOL! LOL! Please, you sound as ignorant as that troll from Minnesota. Your boy like Fleck has a big hill to climb to get anywhere near what KF has accomplished at Iowa, but your aspirations are much higher then that? Sure they are. Right to the national championship now is it? So now you clone fans wouldn't be happy winning your conference, (as in the FIRST time in your history). You won't be happy winning an Orange bowl or finishing in the top ten, or being within an eyelash of the college football playoff? Please.........:rolleyes:
 
Ok Eye let's do facts. I have asked 3 times how many top 10's ISU has ever had and same for top 25's. No response. You had by even Clone accounts one of the top seasons ever yet you lost at home to Iowa who finished with the same record and had a harder SOS. Fine Eye I am sure Campbell wants to retire in Ames. You lose all credibility and look like a delusional, Cyclone troll whenever you post. Actually sorry delusional and Cyclone and troll in the same sentence is all redundant. Give me facts champ. Seriously stop being myopic and tell me where I am wrong. Come on champ let's see it. You are so weak.
 
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Eye - I forgot. When a coach says he is happy and money doesn't matter that means he is a lifer. Wow. You want about a 100 names of coaches that have said that recently and bolt?! I am sure Chizik said, "gee this is a fine job at ISU but looking for a more high profile program and more money." How seriously dumb are you? Didn't Cael say he wasn't leaving? And Fred said would only leave for a dream job and went to the horrible Bulls? You really think that extension keeps Campbell if a real program offers? If so fine. Delusional by definition.
 
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KuJa hit it on the head. Cael Sanderson and Fred Hoiberg are the two most iconic athletes in Iowa State history. Both were given head coaching opportunities at their alma mater and both cruised for greener pastures within 4-5 years.

Also... went ahead and Googled "Matt Campbell named Toledo coach" and here's a quote from Jesus himself...

"Honestly, there's no place I'd rather be than right here at the University of Toledo," said Campbell, a native of Massillon, Ohio, and a 2002 graduate of Mount Union.

Dude is a helluva salesman, you gotta give him that. The "I told my wife, if these fans sell out to come watch garbage, imagine if we win in Ames..." line is some of his better salesmanship.

If he's the Iowa State head coach in 2020 I'll donate $20 to some Clone fan's season tickets.
 
KuJa hit it on the head. Cael Sanderson and Fred Hoiberg are the two most iconic athletes in Iowa State history. Both were given head coaching opportunities at their alma mater and both cruised for greener pastures within 4-5 years.

Also... went ahead and Googled "Matt Campbell named Toledo coach" and here's a quote from Jesus himself...

"Honestly, there's no place I'd rather be than right here at the University of Toledo," said Campbell, a native of Massillon, Ohio, and a 2002 graduate of Mount Union.

Dude is a helluva salesman, you gotta give him that. The "I told my wife, if these fans sell out to come watch garbage, imagine if we win in Ames..." line is some of his better salesmanship.

If he's the Iowa State head coach in 2020 I'll donate $20 to some Clone fan's season tickets.
Hoiberg couldn't stand the shady side of college recruiting, and yearned for the NBA. As for Sanderson, Pollard made it clear that wrestling was not much of a priority for ISU anymore. Wrestling is a dying sport and I could care less about it.
 
We are not hoping for Ferentz like tenure from Campbell. We shoot much higher than that. Campbell is starting to win sooner than Ferentz and he has upgraded recruiting significantly. He is also a number of years young than KF when he started. We have much higher aspirations.

KF has accomplished more at Iowa in 19 seasons than what isu has done in 100 years. Conference titles, division titles, seasons in top 25 and top 10, first rd draft picks, bowl appearances, bowl wins, etc.
 
Ok Eye let's do facts. I have asked 3 times how many top 10's ISU has ever had and same for top 25's. No response. You had by even Clone accounts one of the top seasons ever yet you lost at home to Iowa who finished with the same record and had a harder SOS. Fine Eye I am sure Campbell wants to retire in Ames. You lose all credibility and look like a delusional, Cyclone troll whenever you post. Actually sorry delusional and Cyclone and troll in the same sentence is all redundant. Give me facts champ. Seriously stop being myopic and tell me where I am wrong. Come on champ let's see it. You are so weak.

I can answer that one for ya. Best finish ever was 19th in 1976 and they didn’t even make a bowl that year only other season was when they were 25th in 2000. But hey they went 8-5 last year beat a ranked team and for first time in over a decade had a winning record in conference so that automatically means they’ll be competing for conference titles now...
 
KF has accomplished more at Iowa in 19 seasons than what isu has done in 100 years. Conference titles, division titles, seasons in top 25 and top 10, first rd draft picks, bowl appearances, bowl wins, etc.
When did he get an out right conference title?
 
When did he get an out right conference title?
This is such an old and not relevant argument. If the conference decides a champion with a split, when two teams don't play each other then, so be it thats the format. So in 2002 when Iowa went 8-0 in the BIG, and was ranked #3 when playing USC in the Orange bowl, they weren't conf champs? Was Ohio State not conf champs that year either? Conference teams don't have control over who they do or do not play, so 8-0 was the best possible scenario. What more could they do? Thankfully, we no longer have that issue, but this old song about shared titles don't count is ridiculous.
 
This guy is a joke. Thanks guys for answering the questions he won't. But yeah, a ranking of 19th and 25 in history of a program will now produce more than 5 top 10 finishes KF has had in 19 years. He is not only a joke he stalks like Psycho/Twins. He knows more about me and my posts than I do. Sick f. Jesus buddy do you not realize how pathetic you make ISU look? Are you smart enough to even breathe? I simply asked for facts. I laid my facts out and you won't respond. Like I said, you make ISU what everybody makes fun of buddy. I assume you saw the quote by Campbell. And he made a lateral move to ISU.
 
What a nightmare for the hawks if ISU moves toward "Big Boy" status with Campbell staying in Ames.

We definitely will be taking your word on this. As someone who has watched this happen often in Ames your perspective should never be questioned. Can you let me know how this rise to 'Big Boy' status has happened in Football in Ames previously? It must have happened multiple times before as certain as you are.
 
Maybe they can get a coin made to show the commitment to ISU, or get somebody that was raised in the area and was so proud to be part of it. Lots of evidence that coaches always deliver on their words.
 
This is such an old and not relevant argument. If the conference decides a champion with a split, when two teams don't play each other then, so be it thats the format. So in 2002 when Iowa went 8-0 in the BIG, and was ranked #3 when playing USC in the Orange bowl, they weren't conf champs? Was Ohio State not conf champs that year either? Conference teams don't have control over who they do or do not play, so 8-0 was the best possible scenario. What more could they do? Thankfully, we no longer have that issue, but this old song about shared titles don't count is ridiculous.
The hawks know about not having to play everyone for sure. If you are beating your chest about championships, then let's be completely transparent. IIRC, Iowa had one shinning moment in that BCS bowl and it was the opening kickoff. Not having to play the National Champion in conference is huge. I doubt many outside IC consider Iowa as conference champs especially that year.
 
Hoiberg couldn't stand the shady side of college recruiting, and yearned for the NBA. As for Sanderson, Pollard made it clear that wrestling was not much of a priority for ISU anymore. Wrestling is a dying sport and I could care less about it.

'm sorry to ask you for a link but when did Pollard say that wrestling was not much of a priority anymore for Iowa State? That in itself is ridiculous as I do give Iowa State Credit for two of arguably the best Collegiate wrestlers in history. If you're going to make statements like this and then it is wise to give us actual articles and proof that these conversations happened. In addition to any article linking what Hoiberg said about the Shady Side of recruiting being the push to send him to the Bulls. The Original Point Stands that those two people we're Kings for Iowa State in their respective head coaching professions and that Iowa State decided not to fight for them.
 
'm sorry to ask you for a link but when did Pollard say that wrestling was not much of a priority anymore for Iowa State? That in itself is ridiculous as I do give Iowa State Credit for two of arguably the best Collegiate wrestlers in history. If you're going to make statements like this and then it is wise to give us actual articles and proof that these conversations happened. In addition to any article linking what Hoiberg said about the Shady Side of recruiting being the push to send him to the Bulls. The Original Point Stands that those two people we're Kings for Iowa State in their respective head coaching professions and that Iowa State decided not to fight for them.
Sanderson asked for facility improvements and more cash, and was told no chance by Pollard. The fact that ISU is just maintaining a wrestling program should tell you all you need to know.
 
Sanderson asked for facility improvements and more cash, and was told no chance by Pollard. The fact that ISU is just maintaining a wrestling program should tell you all you need to know.

Yes it tells me that they didn't want to fight to keep Sanderson. Regardless of your opinion on wrestling. And I'm not trying to be argumentative but again I did ask for articles and leaking items for both wrestling and basketball. Please do so
 
Yes it tells me that they didn't want to fight to keep Sanderson. Regardless of your opinion on wrestling. And I'm not trying to be argumentative but again I did ask for articles and leaking items for both wrestling and basketball. Please do so
What articles are you asking for?
 
So they can't maintain a decent overall athletic program? With all the genius, student enrollment, great water, flush with revenue, ascending football program, illustrious basketball program they could maintain their most historically successful program. Smoke and mirrors perhaps.
 
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So they can't maintain a decent overall athletic program? With all the genius, student enrollment, great water, flush with revenue, ascending football program, illustrious basketball program they could maintain their most historically successful program. Smoke and mirrors perhaps.
Well, we were 17th in fall Director' Cup Standings, and Iowa was 134th. In the latest Winter update, ISU was 44th and Iowa was 60th....you decide
 
Let me get this straight. Their historic football season was worse than Iowa's average season and lost to Iowa at home. Their basketball team finished last in the Big 12 by multiple games. And their wrestling team sent 1 whole wrestler to nationals which is almost impossible considering the qualifying of their conference. And their AD trolls Iowa. I did just check CF Eye. There are about 18k posts on Iowa football and 1.5k on ISU football. There are over 10k on Iowa basketball and 2k on ISU basketball. And this is on CF! JFC how sad are the ISU fans. And Eye it was your own AD trolling on wrestling so he must care at least a little pal. So sad and pathetic.
 
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Let me get this straight. Their historic football season was worse than Iowa's average season and lost to Iowa at home. Their basketball team finished last in the Big 12 by multiple games. And their wrestling team sent 1 whole wrestler to nationals which is almost impossible considering the qualifying of their conference. And their AD trolls Iowa. I did just check CF Eye. There are about 18k posts on Iowa football and 1.5k on ISU football. There are over 10k on Iowa basketball and 2k on ISU basketball. And this is on CF! JFC how sad are the ISU fans. And Eye it was your own AD trolling on wrestling so he must care at least a little pal. So sad and pathetic.
Wouldn't know Kujo. Most of the more intelligent posters are on the pay site. I am sure that the majority of intelligent hawk posters are on the pay site here.
 
What articles are you asking for?

It's very simple. Please link any articles that you feel can back up what you've previously written in this thread. Since you are the one who brought the subject (s) up. If you don't have any that's fine just say so and move on. Although being a troll I'm sure that will not be in your playbook.
 
It's very simple. Please link any articles that you feel can back up what you've previously written in this thread. Since you are the one who brought the subject (s) up. If you don't have any that's fine just say so and move on. Although being a troll I'm sure that will not be in your playbook.
You are asking for information that would never be made through any reporting agencies. Bright folks would understand that. You are fortunate that it was shared with you, but enough time has passed.
 
Hey he might have a point. Look at the long line of successful long term coaches at Iowa State. There's ............ nevermind.
 
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