it gives people something to be outraged about
and now I am outraged with all of the outrage.
Joe T gone
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it gives people something to be outraged about
and now I am outraged with all of the outrage.
The answer is it depends how Ulis develops and how well Bowen steps up. Ulis and Toussaint were somewhat redundant in terms of their skill sets, so if Ulis can successfully fill that JT role, the Hawks will be ok.
This exactly. I'm sure he lost all trust in the coaching staff based on the past two years. He was told he was going to be the guy and then wasn't. A fresh start is probably best.
I may have reacted poorly.. he's just my favorite player who i felt never got a fair chance to work through his deficiencies. Very disappointed.. time for a few beers
Couldn't this have been announced tomorrow?
Why not allow Keegan to have his moment.
Why not allow Keegan to have his moment.
Go watch about 2 minutes of Bowens tape and you’ll know why Joe is transferring. My guess os Fran gave him a very straight forward answer that Bowen was likely going to start next year and he’d rather go be a back up on a contending team next year. Joe was a great hawkeye just not a guy you can trust to run your offense for 30 minutes. He will go be be a fantastic back up pg for a contender
Luckily nobody gives a flying **** about your feelings!
You can't look at overall productivity between 2 players in a vacuum. The productivity that mattered was wins and losses. Fran built a team around his best player, Keegan. What Keegan needed was space and to not be doubled. Jbo had to be on the court for this to happen because of his shooting. Had to be. Pairing Jbo with JoeT was not effective because you had 2 small guards and Joe T did as much bad as good. So when Perkins came in and showed he could shoot, that allowed a nucleus of Keegan, Jbo, and Perk with very close behind those 3 of Kris and PMac. All cam shoot, all take care of the ball. Rebraca had a role as well as Joe T. But bottoming, no Jbo=no NCAA and no B1G title.
To be fair, Joe had all of the opportunities in the world to get a fair chance in practice and in the games he played. In 3 seasons, Joe played in 98 games and started 41 games.
Someone correct me if I am wrong but it seemed pretty clear why Fran benched him midseason. Fran did not like at least 2 things with Joe: (1) the turnovers; (2) the lack of ball movement in the half court offense.
This was supposed to be Joe's team this year. Unfortunately, things did not work out and Fran had to put JBo back at the point.
It's Iowa so probably not.....
I always said Joe never passed the eyeball test for me. Strange dribbling, odd decision making and always seemed out of control. He'll do great at a mid major team where he plays top dog.
and that's why he lost his starting job, correct?
These are all excellent points. And I agree the right move was made this season. However, I’m talking about Joe T’s entire Iowa career. I don’t believe he was ever given the opportunity to reach his full potential, and who knows what that could have been. In terms of his value to the team, it’s kind of a moot point, because Joe T is an average P5 talent. Could he have been more? We’ll never know.
In terms of what was more helpful—JBo sliding to pg or Perkins being inserted into the lineup to provide athleticism around the perimeter and a secondary scoring threat—is anyone’s guess. I agree JBo helped with floor spacing, but it seems like Perkins isn’t getting enough due for the change in fortunes of this team down the stretch.
Thought he did an honorable job playing hard despite imo being told one thing and then it changed and I can’t honestly say that was his fault. He took it well I thought and didn’t sulk. Played his heart out and will always be able to say he was on a team that won B1G tournament. I wish him well he’s earned my respect . It happens to many players I think in Big time college basketball. Players lose out and some quit trying. JoeT didn’t and was a big reason the Hawkeyes went as far as they did . Good season. Next season I think Dasonte starts at pg . Hope it’s not given to him and he earns it by being the best player at the position, a lot to ask of a freshman
I would assume so. As you pointed out the half court offense just died when he ran the point.
One thing we can expect out of a Fran coached team at Iowa.....is that he will always fail to round out a roster that compliments each other.
His shooting percentage from the perimeter (29% or lower each year from three) should cause him to be concerned about his starting spot. But no question it would have been his job to run with (again) this upcoming senior season, as he was going to start game 1. And Connor is not playing point next season. He will bring the ball up at times when we need a steady 24 year old hand who doesn't turn it over.
In any case, JT's minutes would likely be about the same next season whether he started or not. I get why that's not enough minutes for him and why he wants to leave. I enjoyed having him as a Hawk.
I wish him the best. Seemed like he had a great attitude and was a hard worker.
Some people are mentioning that Fran did not give Joe a fair chance. I completely disagree. Joe had all of the opportunities in the world over the last 3 seasons to prove himself, both in practices and in the games he played. In 3 seasons, Joe played in 98 games and he started 41 games.
Or most people only value offense , and don’t understand why some think defense is so important .
I’m concerned with Connor taking playing time from Sandfort.... I’m no basketball expert but that kid looks like the real deal to my untrained eye..... much better scorer than Connor
I’m not sure these guys playing 6 years is all that great for developing younger players ....seems unfair to me that younger players are the ones having to give up their windows of opportunity for playing time to make up for the older guys misfortune as far as covid years and injuries..... comes a time to accept what fortune dealt you and call it a career
that’s not an indictment on Connor at all.... can’t blame him for wanting to play another year..... just seems unfortunate for the kids losing minutes to them that only have 4 years to play
I don’t have the answer and hopefully there won’t be any more covid type seasons so it won’t be an issue going forward
here’s where you all probably explain that Connor and Peyton don’t play the same position or something 😂 I know so little about basketball I could be off base..... wrestling is more my area of experience
I’d hate to see Peyton get discouraged and leave..... plus his younger brother looks good as well!
Go Hawks!
I’m not sure these guys playing 6 years is all that great for developing younger players ....seems unfair to me that younger players are the ones having to give up their windows of opportunity for playing time to make up for the older guys misfortune as far as covid years and injuries..... comes a time to accept what fortune dealt you and call it a career
that’s not an indictment on Connor at all.... can’t blame him for wanting to play another year..... just seems unfortunate for the kids losing minutes to them that only have 4 years to play
I don’t have the answer and hopefully there won’t be any more covid type seasons so it won’t be an issue going forward
here’s where you all probably explain that Connor and Peyton don’t play the same position or something 😂 I know so little about basketball I could be off base..... wrestling is more my area of experience
I’d hate to see Peyton get discouraged and leave..... plus his younger brother looks good as well!
Go Hawks!
More carry over from jbo. This is bulls4it. The best defensive player we had. This is the cherry on top of Fran’s player mismanagement.
I am happy for joe though. He didn’t deserve the usage he got. For a pg that shot great from the line and never got to play at the end of games he managed to get a couple game winners.
So, Joe was one of my favorite players for a lot of reasons. (I won't list them all) 1) He played really hard, hustled, one of my favorite qualities in an athlete. 2) His team attitude...unreal how well he took the loss of the starting position and was still a team player. 3) Just seemed like a really likeable and humble kid.....I will miss him injecting energy into a game. I am also a supporter of Fran, but I did feel like Joe had the shortest leash and it stood out to me.
All that said, I'm an optimist about our players and I can usually see their upside, how they are capable of playing. I had a hard time seeing Joe take the necessary step forward for next year. He had worked on and improved his shot, but it still wasn't there. He had plenty of opportunities to run the team on the offensive end and could never get the flow going amidst worries of turnovers.
As much as I hate our guys leaving, maybe it's best for both Joe and the team to get a fresh start?
All that said, I'm an optimist about our players and I can usually see their upside, how they are capable of playing. I had a hard time seeing Joe take the necessary step forward for next year. He had worked on and improved his shot, but it still wasn't there. He had plenty of opportunities to run the team on the offensive end and could never get the flow going amidst worries of turnovers.
As much as I hate our guys leaving, maybe it's best for both Joe and the team to get a fresh start?
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Joe brought toughness to the team. Wish him the best at his next stop.
In the transfer era, people need to get used to role starters/bench players only staying a few years and not to get bent out of shape when they leave.
College sports have free agency now. It is what it is.
I like JT. Hope he kills it. But no one knows if it’s a net gain or net loss until Bowen gets here.
College sports have free agency now. It is what it is.
I like JT. Hope he kills it. But no one knows if it’s a net gain or net loss until Bowen gets here.
Prior to 2021 season: "It's Joe T's team to run this year."
Mid 2021 season: "Yeah we are going to go ahead and bench you and not play you hardly at all."
Fans: "I'm just flabbergasted that he would transfer!"
Mid 2021 season: "Yeah we are going to go ahead and bench you and not play you hardly at all."
Fans: "I'm just flabbergasted that he would transfer!"
Ulis' offensive game is far below JT's.
Agreed, pretty much sums it up. Unreal competitor and brought desperately needed extra juice to the team, but poor perimeter shooting and over-penetration meant his ceiling was fairly low. Joe knew what next year was going to bring for him minutes-wise, and he wanted more, which makes complete sense.
I don't know about far below, but agreed it's less as of today. He's had one less year to develop though. As discussed at end of the season, he needs to rediscover his confidence and shoot 74898394543 shots this off-season. With some improvement he can be a wash in terms of roster composition for JT next year.
On a team that lacked defense, losing possibly your best defender is rough. People complain about Joe T's offensive game. Sure, he was limited in his shooting ability and penetrated too deep at times but he wasn't a liability at all. Add in his defense and leadership and he was a positive on the court.
Problem is Fran only cares about offense.
Problem is Fran only cares about offense.
IMO he got jerked around by FM
Joe T, JoBo and CMac were all misused. Joe T should have transferred last year for his own good.
Sorry to see Joe leave because of his hustle and toughness. But, he was a below average PG for a P5 team and a way below average PG for a top 25 team. Some of you guys seriously overrated him if you think Fran mistakenly ran him off. I think Joe wants to have a larger role, but that’s not going to be on a to 5 B1G team
as soon as he was benched( and he still got significant playing time) Iowa went from a team going nowhere but mediocrity to one of the hottest teams in the country. Fran did the right thing obviously since it worked, Joe was a hustle guy and a good teammate, but he proved he was not a starting caliber PG on a good team.
People focus on an occasional turnover like it’s worse than all the defensive lapses we see on the other side of the court out of a host of fran favorites. Guess what they aren’t. Defensive breakdowns give up more points than a turnover.
the lack of pick and roll with joe t was a major oversight by fran.
You could put together a highlight reel of Joe T's best 25 assists and JoBo's best assist in 6 years wouldn't crack the list. Difference between aggressiveness and passiveness.
