I love Joe T and I agree at times he was very very exciting. I thought he was the x-factor last year and this year for this team because of his ability to stop the dribble-drive. But, in the end for exciting as he was, his positives did not outweigh his mistakes consistently.You could put together a highlight reel of Joe T's best 25 assists and JoBo's best assist in 6 years wouldn't crack the list. Difference between aggressiveness and passiveness.
As far as JBo and Perk, I think both are true. I think that Perkins' play was the biggest difference maker for this team in the last 14 games, but, JBo's reputation allowed it all to happen.These are all excellent points. And I agree the right move was made this season. However, I’m talking about Joe T’s entire Iowa career. I don’t believe he was ever given the opportunity to reach his full potential, and who knows what that could have been. In terms of his value to the team, it’s kind of a moot point, because Joe T is an average P5 talent. Could he have been more? We’ll never know.
In terms of what was more helpful—JBo sliding to pg or Perkins being inserted into the lineup to provide athleticism around the perimeter and a secondary scoring threat—is anyone’s guess. I agree JBo helped with floor spacing, but it seems like Perkins isn’t getting enough due for the change in fortunes of this team down the stretch.
And got blasted by other posters for doing so.Lots of people called that one.
Coaching.We may disagree on the why but Joe T just never fully developed. I hope he kills it wherever he lands.
If you think Joe T was always out of control and had odd decision making, Pat must drive you bonkers.I always said Joe never passed the eyeball test for me. Strange dribbling, odd decision making and always seemed out of control. He'll do great at a mid major team where he plays top dog.
No, what we really need from CMAC is for him to give up his free Covid year.I could see Connor moving back to PG like you said but you really need him at the 3 or 4 for depth. I don’t think Fran promises starting spots but I’m sure he can be honest with Joe about his chances of starting. Did you want Joe T playing 30 minutes? He’s good in bursts but not the guy you want playing big minutes.
He was. Joe didn't get enough minutes.Joe T. was Not misused !
In all honesty how often did Joe actually "beat someone off the dribble" and actually end up scoring? He'd usually throw up some crazy ass shot up which sometimes went in, while he was falling awkwardly to the floor. He gave solid defensive effort, BUT also gambled to much for steals and left his team mates exposed. Often his minutes were limited because of untimely turnovers, and really poor decision making. He played like crap in both of our most recent NCAA losses as well. Sorry to see Joe leave, but I think we'll be fine with Ulis and Bowen. The bigger problem will be scoring from the perimeter with Jbo and Keegan leaving, and Joe would not have helped in that regard.A great perimeter defender who can beat people off the dribble. Give me a freakin break.
Joe is more of a P5 player than both Connor and Patrick.No alignment between Joe and the program. He wants to start and I understand that desire. The team was much better when he came off the bench and I hope he respects that. Wish him the best but he is not a P5 starting PG. Loved his effort and defense for sure. Good luck Joe!
"Fine with Ulis??"In all honesty how often did Joe actually "beat someone off the dribble" and actually end up scoring? He'd usually throw up some crazy ass shot up which sometimes went in, while he was falling awkwardly to the floor. He gave solid defensive effort, BUT also gambled to much for steals and left his team mates exposed. Often his minutes were limited because of untimely turnovers, and really poor decision making. He played like crap in both of our most recent NCAA losses as well. Sorry to see Joe leave, but I think we'll be fine with Ulis and Bowen. The bigger problem will be scoring from the perimeter with Jbo and Keegan leaving, and Joe would not have helped in that regard.
Dude give it up. Trolling is getting old already."Fine with Ulis??"
Ulis can't score the f'ing basketball. He lacks confidence needed to be even an average player.
Yet he only scored one less point per game than Toussaint in four minutes less per game. The sad truth is that neither of them played particularly well last year, though Toussaint’s bright spots were substantially brighter than Ulis’. Ulis can easily give us next year what Toussaint did this year…"Fine with Ulis??"
Ulis can't score the f'ing basketball. He lacks confidence needed to be even an average player.
Jees.... Did you see the Murrays a couple of years ago? Its not body building either. I'd take Joe W or Utoff back in a second.......Joe was also the only player with a body that looked like it had seen a weight room.
So much wrong here it hurts. Joe was great in pick and roll, not used nearly enough. If you noticed when Perkins started for joe, he was relegated to the same job. Dribble dribble dribble and was for the cross screen action. This led to jbo getting the ball late in the shot clock.In all honesty how often did Joe actually "beat someone off the dribble" and actually end up scoring? He'd usually throw up some crazy ass shot up which sometimes went in, while he was falling awkwardly to the floor. He gave solid defensive effort, BUT also gambled to much for steals and left his team mates exposed. Often his minutes were limited because of untimely turnovers, and really poor decision making. He played like crap in both of our most recent NCAA losses as well. Sorry to see Joe leave, but I think we'll be fine with Ulis and Bowen. The bigger problem will be scoring from the perimeter with Jbo and Keegan leaving, and Joe would not have helped in that regard.
Absolutely bat shit. His shot selection when driving leads me to pull out my hair.If you think Joe T was always out of control and had odd decision making, Pat must drive you bonkers.
Hmmm, you mean the only guy who kept us in the game against Richmond. I'd also be willing to bet that most people who know basketball would tell you that Pat has way more upside at this point then Joe does....I know, I know, but nepotism right......If you think Joe T was always out of control and had odd decision making, Pat must drive you bonkers.
Jees,,sorry to hurt you. The FACT is our offense got better when Joe went back to the bench. Believe or don't.So much wrong here it hurts. Joe was great in pick and roll, not used nearly enough. If you noticed when Perkins started for joe, he was relegated to the same job. Dribble dribble dribble and was for the cross screen action. This led to jbo getting the ball late in the shot clock.
as free flowing as our transition game is our base offense is rather blah.
Bulldogs is always super emotional/irrational when he discusses Joe T. He was a nice piece of the puzzle, seemingly a hard working, great teammate. But some go way overboard when discussing his actual abilities. Hopefully Iowa can bring in a more well rounded player in the backcourt.Jees,,sorry to hurt you. The FACT is our offense got better when Joe went back to the bench. Believe or don't.
Didn’t see this coming - last year I did but definitely not this - the BB team is crumbling one by one - I hope to God Fran has a good plan no pun intended
Our offense isn't top 5 in the country solely off of transition O. Fran actually runs really good stuff, but you're right we do run a lot of off-ball screens rather than solely PnR stuff.So much wrong here it hurts. Joe was great in pick and roll, not used nearly enough. If you noticed when Perkins started for joe, he was relegated to the same job. Dribble dribble dribble and was for the cross screen action. This led to jbo getting the ball late in the shot clock.
as free flowing as our transition game is our base offense is rather blah.
What does any of that have to do with his general poor shot selection and the fact that he often looks like he is moving without a plan?Hmmm, you mean the only guy who kept us in the game against Richmond. I'd also be willing to bet that most people who know basketball would tell you that Pat has way more upside at this point then Joe does....I know, I know, but nepotism right......
It’s not like PM was taking the ball to the rim or getting offensive boards to score. He had “2” rebounds in 26 minutes. 1 defensive which means at 6’9” he pounded the glass for 1 offensive board. He was the recipient of kick out passes as he planted himself outside. As I recall the image I saw of him on D was him chasing his man towards the basket after getting torched.Hmmm, you mean the only guy who kept us in the game against Richmond. I'd also be willing to bet that most people who know basketball would tell you that Pat has way more upside at this point then Joe does....I know, I know, but nepotism
Agree on Connor but not on Patrick.Joe is more of a P5 player than both Connor and Patrick.
And no matter my point stands. Joe is not Power 5 guy. Some good defense but can’t run the point at all.Agree on Connor but not on Patrick.
Like Joe as a team member and person but there is no way I want him running point especially in down to the wire games. TO machine and can’t move the ball with a sense of purpose.So your a B1G guard who would you rather have defend Joe T or CMAC . On the opposite would you rather play D against Joe T or CMAC? Patrick just needs to get to work and gain some weight/strength and be more aggressive. Then there's the crazy Jordan fall away shots we won't talk about. But honestly he is 22 yrs. old - I graduated college at that age. What is the upside here? There is a reason neither have even got a sniff when it come's to end of season awards - not even honorable mention. I have no doubt both are great guy's and want to win - but there is also no doubt they play more minutes than they should because Dad is the coach. If you have ever coached your own kid you would know the dilemma you face. Nobody would believe they're own kid is inferior to others.