Joe T

[RocknRollface]

First of all - I said don’t under estimate the possibility. Secondly, when he plays out of control he’s a liability. When he’s pressured he forces the drive to the basket. He turns it over or throws up a bad shot just as often as doing something positive. For you to not understand this concept shows you know nothing about the game. I suppose you think he “attacks the rim” too?

Of course I understand he makes turnovers and takes bad shots.

You claimed he didn't do this against OSU and I pointed out that he did.

My point is its not that big of a deal.

And attack the rim is common vernacular for taking the ball to the basket. Now you know.

 

[unoHawkeye]

It not the percentage of the data that determines whether it is an outlier, it is the distance from the statistcal mean. Your few examples are outliers by definition.

I just put his assist totals for every game in his career into a descriptive statistics calculator and next to outliers in the results it said “None”

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[unoHawkeye]

Damn, I never realized there were so many D1 basketball coaches that posted here. Impressive!

Sometimes people forget that this isn’t a discussion board and we aren’t allowed to have opinions

 

[RocknRollface]

OK - I am going to try one last time to have a rational basketball conversation. Let's say for the point of discussion that the advanced metrics indicate a certain and undeniable statistic. And another indicates another trend in play. Let's say that first metric was when a certain player gets sped up, a certain percentage of the time a turnover happens. We can also add that it happens in a specific part of the court. Now the other metric says that when a specific player is not overly harassed, he makes good decisions with the ball and can pick and choose when he takes it to the lane. Hmm - is the correct move the old school approach to never allow lane penetration or what the modern coach would do and take advantage of every statistical trend he/she can? You tell me. Or in this case would it just be ignored because "we never used to think that way?"

No coach would ever just let the ballhandler in the lane on purpose. You don't ever want the ball in the paint. Thats just basic. It puts your help defense in a two on one scenario.

It wouldn't ever be worth it even if you could force a couple turnovers.

And its obvious that teams aren't doing this if you just watch whats happening.

Opponents sag off of him. When you're trying to make a shooter drive you get as close as possible to them on their strong side and force them to drive weak handed.

If you were actually trying to let someone in the lane you would just move out of the way.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Sometimes people forget that this isn’t a discussion board and we aren’t allowed to have opinions

Always good for a smirk when someone throws out the lame comment referencing people having an opinion that isn't deferential to the coach's decisions.
It's a freaking message board that's built around fan's opinions, and they aren't always favorable to the coach. <Gasp!>

 

[Bearhawk0505]

Damn, I never realized there were so many D1 basketball coaches that posted here. Impressive!

Thanks

 

[BBHawk]

I just put his assist totals for every game in his career into a descriptive statistics calculator and next to outliers in the results it said “None”

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Glad you found a website that feeds your delusion.

 

[BBHawk]

Joe T is an interrupter on both ends of the court and needs to get 20 minutes a game. Opposing
offenses are wary of him and he takes them out of their rhythm. When we have the ball, his penetration/passing can help reduce our killing long dry spells.

To compensate for his TOs, we could get an offensive rebound every once in a while.

Yup, he's an interrupter when he dribbles the ball for 20 seconds then he dribbles into a double team and turns it over. He's and interrupter when he drives to the bucket with no where to go and ends up out of bounds, another turnover.

 

[fivecardstud14]

Yup, he's an interrupter when he dribbles the ball for 20 seconds then he dribbles into a double team and turns it over. He's and interrupter when he drives to the bucket with no where to go and ends up out of bounds, another turnover.

We get it, you have an irrational hatred & refuse to acknowledge his good games.

 

[BBHawk]

We get it, you have an irrational hatred & refuse to acknowledge his good games.

You can't read, obviously.

 

[fivecardstud14]

You can't read, obviously.

You aren't good at watching basketball, obviously.

 

[BBHawk]

You aren't good at watching basketball, obviously.

Of course not. And you are.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Yup, he's an interrupter when he dribbles the ball for 20 seconds then he dribbles into a double team and turns it over. He's and interrupter when he drives to the bucket with no where to go and ends up out of bounds, another turnover.

At least you get it!

 

[unoHawkeye]

Glad you found a website that feeds your delusion.

“Delusion” is one word for it. “A basic understanding of statistics” is another way to phrase it. But look at you disagreeing with a freaking calculator. LMAO - that made my day

 

[BBHawk]

“Delusion” is one word for it. “A basic understanding of statistics” is another way to phrase it. But look at you disagreeing with a freaking calculator. LMAO - that made my day

Right. A calculator.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

No coach would ever just let the ballhandler in the lane on purpose. You don't ever want the ball in the paint. Thats just basic. It puts your help defense in a two on one scenario.

It wouldn't ever be worth it even if you could force a couple turnovers.

And its obvious that teams aren't doing this if you just watch whats happening.

Opponents sag off of him. When you're trying to make a shooter drive you get as close as possible to them on their strong side and force them to drive weak handed.

If you were actually trying to let someone in the lane you would just move out of the way.

Only the one's who pay attention to the analytics would.

For the last time - the goal is to speed him up. Tight man to man forces that issue. What is the end result - he dribbles and drives into the lane and often he turns it over. It's just not that difficult to understand.

Of course they don't just say, here is an opening to the lane, go for it. At some point try to understand rather than doubling down on thinking you know every aspect of the game.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Right. A calculator.

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Yes, a calculator. And all the equations are there for your perusing. By the way, the equation used for “outlier” is the actual statistical equation for calculating outliers. I’m sure that you like your fantasy equation better

 

[RocknRollface]

Only the one's who pay attention to the analytics would.

For the last time - the goal is to speed him up. Tight man to man forces that issue. What is the end result - he dribbles and drives into the lane and often he turns it over. It's just not that difficult to understand.

Of course they don't just say, here is an opening to the lane, go for it. At some point try to understand rather than doubling down on thinking you know every aspect of the game.

Opponents are not playing tight man. They're doing the opposite.

They're sagging off.

You're words were "hes being allowed into the lane."

Try to be consistent.

At some point you need to give up on this and accept you're wrong.

 

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