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New article quotes Joe Toussaint’s AAU coach (Terrance ‘Munch’ Williams- no joke) as saying Joe reminded him of Jevon Carter, the 2018 Naismith Defensive POY for West Virginia, now with the Memphis Grizzlies. He also says Joe signed with Iowa because of the uptempo style.
“In the Big Ten, he’s going to be able to pick up guys 94 feet, harass them, get into the passing lanes and anchor your defense.”
“Almost like Jevon Carter, he can have that type of effect on the defensive end.”
https://247sports.com/college/iowa/...ball-2019-20-Early-Season-Preview--130491139/

Of course, this is overblown. But it does seem to confirm that JoeT will be a welcome addition on an Iowa team that could use help with perimeter D.
 
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One guy like Joe T. can be a huge catalyst for an Iowa defense that has shown, at times, definite potential--just look at the second half vs. Tenn. One guy can turn that potential into consistent performance. I'm hoping Joe T. is that guy.
 
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I am excited to have Joe T join the program ... As we know ... until you see how the player adapts to the big lights I will reserve expectations.

I remember how excited I was when Fran brought in Trey Dickerson ... And Andrew Flemming ... and Brandon Hutton ... My point being, you just have to see how each unique person adapts to the next level ...

But yeah, I'm excited as heck about Joe's quickness ...
 
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Rustys Dad said:
I am excited to have Joe T join the program ... As we know ... until you see how the player adapts to the big lights I will reserve expectations.

I remember how excited I was when Fran brought in Trey Dickerson ... And Andrew Flemming ... and Brandon Hutton ... My point being, you just have to see how each unique person adapts to the next level ...

But yeah, I'm excited as heck about Joe's quickness ...
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Agreed. Of course, this is another reason why getting more quick guards is important for 2020.
 
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Jumpshot00 said:
Right - don’t stop at Joe T with accumulating quick guards. They might not all pan out but always having a couple on your roster greatly increase the chances of adding a difference maker in an area of need.
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This is why although I’d love to get Tyler Beard in 2020, SG Desmond Polk would also appeal as a guy who can shoot lights out, get to the rim, handle and pass like a point. Both would be great and fit well on the roster with 3-4 guards leaving in 2019.
 
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Remember how Hutton supposedly had offers from Wisconsin and West Virginia? And in that same class how Fleming supposedly had offers from Florida and Ohio State?

Anyway... sorry for the thread hijack.
 
He will play immediately because of his ball-handling alone. I'm hopeful JBo spends the entire year at SG
 
iowalawhawk said:
Remember how Hutton supposedly had offers from Wisconsin and West Virginia? And in that same class how Fleming supposedly had offers from Florida and Ohio State?

Anyway... sorry for the thread hijack.
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Flemings offers were vaporware. Hutton at least looked the part.
 
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Love hearing this

Listen, the reality is that guys who play good D, have heart. We can never have enough guys with heart.
 
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Good rule of thumb: don't count on freshmen to play well for significant minutes on a good team (at schools like Iowa). TC was the highest ranked best known recruit in decades at Iowa. He was almost completely unprepared to start on a good team. The recruiting disaster of the prior two years forced him into a starting role for which he was not prepared, as it did with Jobu and Isaiah.

However, as I noted elsewhere, it is very rare for a recruit to rise in ESPN rankings after committing to Iowa. A couple of guys dropped literally in the hours following their commitment to Iowa. The move up is coming from a reluctant source and that is a good sign.

If Joey T can come in, give us 5-10 minutes of hard defensive effort, especially in the press (the only defense the boys play well) and not make too many mistakes with turnovers or freezing the offense (cuz a lot of quick freshmen don't really know where they're supposed to quickly travel on the court) then he will meet reasonable expectations. Everything beyond that is gravy.
 
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Good post. By the time next season gets here he’ll be so hyped as our defensive savior that the expectations will be that he should hold the other teams best guard under 3 a game. When he doesn’t the board will go nuts.
The Deplorable Sleeping Dog said:
Good rule of thumb: don't count on freshmen to play well for significant minutes on a good team (at schools like Iowa). TC was the highest ranked best known recruit in decades at Iowa. He was almost completely unprepared to start on a good team. The recruiting disaster of the prior two years forced him into a starting role for which he was not prepared, as it did with Jobu and Isaiah.

However, as I noted elsewhere, it is very rare for a recruit to rise in ESPN rankings after committing to Iowa. A couple of guys dropped literally in the hours following their commitment to Iowa. The move up is coming from a reluctant source and that is a good sign.

If Joey T can come in, give us 5-10 minutes of hard defensive effort, especially in the press (the only defense the boys play well) and not make too many mistakes with turnovers or freezing the offense (cuz a lot of quick freshmen don't really know where they're supposed to quickly travel on the court) then he will meet reasonable expectations. Everything beyond that is gravy.
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binsfeldcyhawk2 said:
I was high on him when he came in.....just goes to show you have to wait till they get here. We probably need to pump the brakes a bit on the Joe T hype
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Hype = extravagant or Intensive publicity or promotion

In the OP, JoeT’s AAU coach made a comparison of him to Jevon Carter as a defender which the OP pointed out as hype or “overblown”. However, in JoeT’s vids, he demonstrates that he can lead a break, pass and penetrate with elite speed. Some fans have raised the question if he could defend. It’s actually nice to know that he has more of a reputation as a defender. Even if he’s not the next Jevon Carter, maybe he could help Iowa for a few minutes a game this year.

Maybe he can’t shoot- there is that.
 
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Kurt Warner said:
Hutton
Meier (sp)
Fleming
Williams
Dailey
Ellingson
Ule

And I know I'm missing a few
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Ule? And it's less than one per year. Like I said, not that many. Not a big deal, but it mainly happened with 2 classes so that's what really hurt Iowa. The good thing is that it appears to be an aberration.
 
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Kurt Warner said:
Hutton
Meier (sp)
Fleming
Williams
Dailey
Ellingson
Ule

And I know I'm missing a few
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Yeah, I think that is below the average for players leaving or transfering by quite a bit.....that said Maishe and Uhl were good role players (even in limited minutes) for a portion of their careers. I think it was the Temple game in the NCAA tournament win that Dom looked pretty good in spurts. If you saw that it might lead you to believe at that time he was going to do pretty well in his Iowa career.
 
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Yeah, I think that is below the average for players leaving or transfering by quite a bit.....that said Maishe and Uhl were good role players (even in limited minutes) for a portion of their careers. I think it was the Temple game in the NCAA tournament win that Dom looked pretty good in spurts. If you saw that it might lead you to believe at that time he was going to do pretty well in his Iowa career.
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In his sophomore year, Dom had a stretch where he went nuts from 3. I think he hit three triples in a game against Michigan State in 2016, when we clobbered the #2 Spartans twice in a season. I had high hopes for him, but for some reason it just never clicked.

Tre Dickerson and Dale Jones were also busts, if we're still counting those. Jones couldn't stay healthy, and Dickerson couldn't stay on the court. Overall it hasn't been that bad, we just had a lot of players bust right in a row, which hurt us in 2017 and 2018. Now we're back on track.

Joe T. could be great, or he could be another bust. My hope is that he'll get around 10 minutes/game as a freshman, play some good defense, and adjust to life in the Big Ten so he's ready for a bigger role in 2020. I'm trying not to get let my expectations get too high, but I like what I've seen so far.
 
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Ballhawk1221 said:
In his sophomore year, Dom had a stretch where he went nuts from 3. I think he hit three triples in a game against Michigan State in 2016, when we clobbered the #2 Spartans twice in a season. I had high hopes for him, but for some reason it just never clicked.

Tre Dickerson and Dale Jones were also busts, if we're still counting those. Jones couldn't stay healthy, and Dickerson couldn't stay on the court. Overall it hasn't been that bad, we just had a lot of players bust right in a row, which hurt us in 2017 and 2018. Now we're back on track.

Joe T. could be great, or he could be another bust. My hope is that he'll get around 10 minutes/game as a freshman, play some good defense, and adjust to life in the Big Ten so he's ready for a bigger role in 2020. I'm trying not to get let my expectations get too high, but I like what I've seen so far.
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I remember exactly that stretch Dom had also, it was weird, after that he never did much of anything. Think he lost all confidence and couldn't get it back. I wouldn't call Jones a bust, I think he would have contributed if not for the injuries.
 
I think the law of averages caught up with Dom. He had awful form from what I remember, but just had a moderate length of lucky shots go in. Eventually poor form averaged it out.
 
Kurt Warner said:
I remember exactly that stretch Dom had also, it was weird, after that he never did much of anything. Think he lost all confidence and couldn't get it back. I wouldn't call Jones a bust, I think he would have contributed if not for the injuries.
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One of the things I remember about that game was how ticked off Izzo looked afterward. He said something like, "Everybody for Iowa was hitting threes. I think Fran hit a three."

It was awesome :D

And yeah, Jones unfortunately had injuries that kept him from contributing. Maybe calling him a bust isn't fair. But he was a player who didn't end up contributing the way it looked like he could have.
 
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Getting back to Joe, yes I think expectations should be tempered and praise from previous coaches should be taken with a grain of salt, however I think it’s reasonable for someone who has seen his tape to be excited about his skill set. The fact that he already has somewhat of a reputation (if you call it that) for playing tough defense is a good sign that he may bring something to the program that is greatly needed at the guard spot, whether that is next year or in 3 years.
 
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Here's a weird little statistic. During Alford's years he had exactly the same number of signed recruits never play a minute at Iowa as played a normal 8 consecutive semesters career-fourteen each.
 
Its not really fair to describe a guy whose career is wiped out by injuries as a "bust". At least not in way one would compare Jones with Uhl.

But either way it does leave a hole in a recruiting class that programs like Iowa cannot afford. Gotta get good players, even if it takes a couple of years to get there, in every class.

We're kind of at the perfect point for Iowa right now. The roster is stocked with good upperclassmen players. The freshmen don't have to be ready to start or play heavy minutes next year. This next class is very important because we lose TC, Ryan, Jobu, and Isaiah after the next season. To maintain competitiveness there's going to be a lot of minutes that have to be filled by good players that are ready to start and play and crucial minutes.
 
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