I just read that on the PSU board myself. That is, If we are to believe the Hawks fans reliable source within the Lehigh program.
Joey McKenna Transferring possibility
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I just don't understand what some kids are really thinking now days..
Why would Nick Lee give up his senior year of high school to work out at Penn State and finish high school on the internet?
Then even think about looking else..
Why would Nick Lee give up his senior year of high school to work out at Penn State and finish high school on the internet?
Then even think about looking else..
I hadn't which confirms what I just heard about a 1/2 hour ago. I did see Lehigh on your board. Damn...looks like he is in for a good suntan.
I agree if that's truly happening. I will say this though, Nick became a better wrestler training in that room than he would have had he wrestled his hs season in Indiana. My opinion anyway...
I have no doubt. Plus, you really can't turn a kid like McKenna down but I just don't see Cael over recruiting Lee.
Don't know if it would really be over recruiting. Maybe Lee redshirts this year while McKenna fills 141. Then after Zain graduates, McKenna to 149 Lee at 141. Of course they have Verk and Berge to work in there as well and one or both sits a year. It's all just crazy. I don't know how all that is gonna work out for Cael.
Btw, of Teasdale,RBY and Lee, if one of them goes because they don't see a spot for themselves, Id have to say I'd prefer to see Teasdale out as crazy as that may sound.
Poor guy, makes me feel kind of sorry for him.
I guess I thought the whole purpose of Lee coming to train was to start and not have to sit another year. Technically, he could sit another two years. The year after high school (but not enroll at PSU), R/S...
Like AFHawk said, feel sorry for Cael. Wrestling's equivalent of kicking Victoria's Secret models out of bed
Lots-o if's there, pilgrim…..
Has RBY RSVP'd?
Btw, Teasdale is already out. He was in, then he changed his mind. SO, quit wasting pixels, man.
I think this was about Jordan Oliver being out of WTTs. Apparently he's out, no details on why he's out yet.
I thought so too but who knows. McKenna has a shirt right? Maybe he redshirts then slots in at 149 after Zain leaves. But then again, what about Verk and Berge? I've heard people say you can't really turn down a talent like McKenna if he wants in but is that really true? If you chance losing Berge, Lee or Verk to someone else, is it automatic you just bring in McKenna? I don't know. Lee for 4 years > McKenna for 2 in my opinion.
Sorry to waste pixels to ask but what in the hell does that mean? Did I miss Teasdale news or something?Btw, Teasdale is already out. He was in, then he changed his mind. SO, quit wasting pixels, man.
Teasdale decided to be a hawk and then changed his mind and decided to go to PSU. Now, apparently he's not sure where he wants to go.
That was exactly what I meant. Still, I'm going to have to actually see Nick Lee leave before I believe it. Kid has seemed super rock solid for Penn State since jump. However, if it's a family issue (his brother having an honest shot at the line up) that at least makes sense.
Me neither. If he changes AGAIN, that's a little bit of a red flag. Huge, huge talent. I prefer him, talent-wise, to RBY, though it's close.
Agree on the red flag but I think I'd prefer RBY over Teasdale if forced to choose one. I think going in Teasdale is a tad better but just see more room for RBY to get better.... higher ceiling I guess you could say. If Teasdale is changing his mind again I wouldn't be surprised if RBY and Caels plans for him is the reason.
It's Cael's ugly problem rearing its head much sooner than anyone thought.
I know this will get seen as a "hate Cael" or a "hate PSU" rant but its not. Cael's job is to take the best wrestlers and win championships which he has been doing. However, it may be that folks are looking at all of these kids getting recruited over and see it as a lack of loyalty. Its one thing to recruit decent kids for depth, it's a whole different thing to bring in an outsider or recruit over a #8 kid with a #3 kid and just tell them its all going to work out in the end...but you may have to sit a year or two. If you have a super recruit in the room and one of your "depth" guys develops into a stud, than so be it.
It's just like when we had JRent and the Cali Kid with both Spencer and Teasdale coming in...Remember how the PSU guys would make fun of us working the weights so everyone would fit? I think at one point we had Teasdale as growing into 49 haha. Shoe's on the other foot now in multiple situations.
I think it would be damn stupid to recruit over a talent like Nick Lee or his brother who I wish had came to Iowa. I think most of us fans agree...great talents. So every once in awhile, I think you have to keep the fish from jumping into your boat. But maybe getting that scoring record and putting the best team in history out there in the next two years is weighing heavy on Cael's mind. Getting McKenna could make it possible.
It's just like when we had JRent and the Cali Kid with both Spencer and Teasdale coming in...Remember how the PSU guys would make fun of us working the weights so everyone would fit? I think at one point we had Teasdale as growing into 49 haha. Shoe's on the other foot now in multiple situations.
I think it would be damn stupid to recruit over a talent like Nick Lee or his brother who I wish had came to Iowa. I think most of us fans agree...great talents. So every once in awhile, I think you have to keep the fish from jumping into your boat. But maybe getting that scoring record and putting the best team in history out there in the next two years is weighing heavy on Cael's mind. Getting McKenna could make it possible.
If the ugly problem you speak of is recruiting 2 or 3 deep then I might tend to agree. Doing that you certainly run the risk of some going elsewhere. Let's just take Teasdale and RBY as an example since that's who we've been discussing. If Teasdale did in fact open his recruitment back up it wouldn't shock me me one bit if the reason would be that Cael sees RBY as a higher priority in getting him to sign on the dotted line. Maybe Cael offers more money, is working his roster plans with RBY in mind over Gavin....could be any number of things that could lead Teasdale to feel he's not Caels number one target in their weight range. I'm not saying that's what is or has happened but it's possible. These kids jump in thinking they are a coaches top priority yet later find out they really aren't.
I had the same thought on the loyalty front. There's a perception of a track record.
Of course with the Teasdale/RBY example I put out, maybe Cael is being loyal to RBY... PSU was in fact RBYs first choice. With Teasdale it's kinda sorta PSU or maybe still Iowa or Pitt... or...
With that in mind, maybe it has become clear now that Cael is doing what he can to make sure RBY becomes a Nittany Lion, better offer, planning a roster around him, etc..while the other starts feeling somewhat slighted.
It's all speculation, none of us knows what's going on behind closed doors within these programs. Besides, other than a what was brought up here, I haven't heard anything about Teasdale backing away from PSU. For all I know all these guys PSU is hoping to bring in are perfectly happy about what Cael is doing for them.
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If there is a possibility of losing one of the kids already there or one of the 2018 verbals because McKenna wants to come to PSU I would rather keep what is already lined up.
As far as Teasdale rethinking - haven't heard it. Of course I am not listening as carefully as I do during the season. Too many grandkids things, golf, work and other things.
Saw several of the guys buying fishing supplies. Didn't talk any wrestling. Just where they were going fishing.
How are you enjoying being back in Iowa?
My God. For an older guy the wisdom of waiting to see how something plays out before condemnation has certainly escaped you.
I don't take this as a hate post -- always appreciate your perspective . . .
Three potential recruiting strategies come to mind:
(A) Beat the brush for every upper tier guy you can get your hands on, lay on the sweet talk as much as needed to land all fish.
(B) Go hard after the individuals you truly want, leave the door open to all others and just say "We want you, but you'll have to earn a spot like everyone else."
(C) Get the guys you want most, then close the border.
Obviously, (C) isn't happening. I'd feel warm and fuzzy thinking (B) is the SOP, but naiive to think (A) isn't in play to some extent.
It's a complex game when you have kids offering up verbal "commitments" a year or two before they can actually make any sort of commitment of consequence. Makes it tough to throw decent fish back when you know some of your true keepers are being held on stringer clips that do not close securely.
EDIT: And my 3 recruiting strategies fail to address the complexity of massaging egos/needs when it comes to 'ship $$.
You can't say that. You have no idea what Cael is saying to these kids before they verbally commit to him. That would be like me saying Brands screwed Meija and Renteria by wanting to bring in Spencer and Teasdale. Of course I'm sure you'll spell it out as being different than what Cael does..
