You need to give up on your JoshO could have been great argument, because it is based on maybe 30 min total of decent play on the court over two years. He could never get in adequate shape, and could thus could not get time on the court, which was there to take this year. Let's see if he transfers and shows something. I'm guessing it will be to a lower level of competition.
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Josh was very important to winning the BTT last year with some quality minutes against Purdue. But I'm not sure he has been important in any other victory since then. I also said he mostly got garbage time against scrub teams with a little bit of run against some good teams, the Purdue game would be some of that run against good teams.
But either way, one play does not a career make. If it did, this guy would have been all conference after making this shot.
Question denied. Basing a player's usefulness off of 3 minutes can't possibly be used as evidence. The guy can't even get in shape.
You are basing your opinion on almost no information.
You have to have a lot of faith to believe a guy can go from "not ready," to first team all conference in 2 years?
But it doesn't matter because A, he barely stepped foot on the court his freshman year so no viable evidence exists, (95% of his 3 minutes a game was garbage time) B, its 3 years ago.
The reason I brought it up is to show that just because Fran doesn't play someone in year one its not necessarily a reflection of talent.
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I used to think you knew something about the game. Now I know you let certain biases form your opinions. There isn’t a player I listed he deserved to take time from his freshman year. Now you’re going to say he should have come straight from high school: I mean he had to have been ready then because it’s only one year earlier? Complete revisionist history.
I never said any of that. I have no idea what you're ranting about. Don't care.
Not going to waste my time with a bunch of stupid straw man arguments.
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Purdue 77-70 Iowa (Dec 3, 2021) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Purdue Boilermakers vs. Iowa Hawkeyes NCAAM game from December 3, 2021 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
here is the Purdue game I’ve constantly used as An illustration point
at #2 Purdue
or on the road without Keegan Murray
16minutes played , not 3, agin 16 minutes played.
7 points (3-4 FG%) and 5 rebounds
not garbage time, not poor competition, not at home, not versus poor bigs,
nobody here can explain why in Ogundele only extended game time he excelled and why he was never given the opportunity to recreate that line ever again.
it’s really quite a simple question
@Jizzer
@Herky T Hawk
@HoustonREDHawk
He stopped them from getting offensive rebounds? He had 0 rebounds so not so sure on that point. +/- can be a good indicator, not always though. TCU could have had a 10-0 run when Patrick was in. Doesn't mean it was his fault. Also saying PMAC took his minutes like they play even close to the same position or style? We weren't going to go Rebraca and Josh O at the same time because then you have 2 guys that can only score within 6 feet of the basket. Rebraca took up the majority of center minutes every game and then they played a few small ball minutes with Kris at Center. Josh's only role was to play a few minutes against the big monsters, which was only necessary for a few teams.
Please stop. PleasePurdue 77-70 Iowa (Dec 3, 2021) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Purdue Boilermakers vs. Iowa Hawkeyes NCAAM game from December 3, 2021 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.www.espn.com
here is the Purdue game I’ve constantly used as An illustration point
at #2 Purdue
or on the road without Keegan Murray
16minutes played , not 3, agin 16 minutes played.
7 points (3-4 FG%) and 5 rebounds
not garbage time, not poor competition, not at home, not versus poor bigs,
nobody here can explain why in Ogundele only extended game time he excelled and why he was never given the opportunity to recreate that line ever again.
it’s really quite a simple question
@Jizzer
@Herky T Hawk
@HoustonREDHawk
And this post is why I say you don't think before posting. As you said you "constantly" keep bringing up one game. One game in 3 years and you think it proves your point. LOL, it actually does just the opposite. JO had 3 years to prove himself. HE DIDN'T. He didn't get playing time because he wasn't good when he was in and had NO stamina.Purdue 77-70 Iowa (Dec 3, 2021) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Purdue Boilermakers vs. Iowa Hawkeyes NCAAM game from December 3, 2021 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
here is the Purdue game I’ve constantly used as An illustration point
at #2 Purdue
or on the road without Keegan Murray
16minutes played , not 3, agin 16 minutes played.
7 points (3-4 FG%) and 5 rebounds
not garbage time, not poor competition, not at home, not versus poor bigs,
nobody here can explain why in Ogundele only extended game time he excelled and why he was never given the opportunity to recreate that line ever again.
it’s really quite a simple question
@Jizzer
@Herky T Hawk
@HoustonREDHawk
Your constant bragging about JO just shows what an uninformed poster you are. Or, just somone who gets off on arguing with everyone.
Only reason Josh played 16 minutes that game is because Keegan was out, Kris shifted to the 4 and couldn't play back up center that game. And Rebraca was in foul trouble and ultimately fouled out.
Give it a rest KcTo, your man has jumped ship, but if the Evan Brauns to Iowa is true, maybe you could start up a fan club for him. I'm sure he'd appreciate that as he sits on the bench as a walk on. He's bringing such great stats to brag on too.Purdue 77-70 Iowa (Dec 3, 2021) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Purdue Boilermakers vs. Iowa Hawkeyes NCAAM game from December 3, 2021 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
here is the Purdue game I’ve constantly used as An illustration point
at #2 Purdue
or on the road without Keegan Murray
16minutes played , not 3, agin 16 minutes played.
7 points (3-4 FG%) and 5 rebounds
not garbage time, not poor competition, not at home, not versus poor bigs,
nobody here can explain why in Ogundele only extended game time he excelled and why he was never given the opportunity to recreate that line ever again.
it’s really quite a simple question
@Jizzer
@Herky T Hawk
@HoustonREDHawk
I’ll be his pro bono PR agent Ha!
my ace is more on Frans abject miss-use of yet another player in favor of emptying minutes for his kids
you comment on the why he played
whats is your comments in the production?
16m 7 pts 3-4 and 5 rebounds?
what’s your comment on this and why he was never given the opportunity to replicate
@StanzByMe
Once again you're trying to say that Fran played his kid over Josh. One plays SF, one plays C. Terrible comparison. Secondly I already answered that. Rebraca took up the majority of center minutes every game and then they played a few small ball minutes with Kris at Center. Josh's only role was to play a few minutes against the big monsters, which was only necessary for a few teams. Also for those teams we only played the big centers once this year like Purdue and Michigan so that cut down on his opportunities. My guess is Fran felt like he needed Kris or Rebraca on the floor at all times because those were our 2 most consistent players.
Additionally, having 1 good game doesn't necessarily earn you more playing time, but I would bet not getting in good shape for 3 straight years having ample opportunity, strength and conditioning coaches, and anything you could need to succeed being at a D1 School and yet he was unable to slim down. Maybe his work ethic is what kept him out of games.
Don't you remember 2 years ago Ash went 3/3 with 8 points? In only 5 minutes!! Literally never missed. Should have been starting shooting guard..
is that really what you mean
“having 1 good game doesn’t earn you more playing time?“
what pray tell does earn you more playing time? if it’s not playing good in games? against the best?
Stunningly you said the correct part out loud.
when rebraca was out Kris played Center and who then played forward….wait for it…. Pmac did.
Rebraca out, PMac in.
PMac then plays over Ogundele
that seems quite simple, yes?
Do you only read the first sentence to everything to form your response? 3 years of telling everyone including his coaches and teammates he is working to get in shape and then not losing any weight, rather appearing to gain weight. Do you watch their practices? Did he work hard in practice? Does he work hard in the weight room? Does he eat healthy like he should have been doing to get in better shape? Was he hurt for part of the year and not even dressing?
Not that simple. Last year when Kris played the 5 in small ball, it was Keegan at the 4, and either Sandfort, or one of the MACs at the 3 position. So Josh had the one great game last year when Keegan was hurt and therefore had a necessity for Josh to play against Purdue. Keegan then returned from injury, pushing him down the rotation. So last year Keegan, Kris, and Filip took up all the minutes at the 4/5 virtually and deservedly, when healthy.
This year, Rebraca played 32 minutes per game. That only leaves 8 minutes to begin with. Josh was meant to match up against the biggest centers, and bang for a few minutes a game against those which he did, and I enjoyed when he came in. But if Iowa's goal was to play small ball those few minutes, it wasn't going to be with Josh.
I expect more from the Murray twins. 24 points from the 2 of them was way to low. Especially as they are such great players and, in general, very consistent. Especially Keegan. Jris was still developing. JBo played terrible as did most of the team imo. I blame it on the ball and the fact that we don't use it during the season. The Murray twins being scoreless from behind the arc seems to provide some evidence. Honestly I'll miss all of the players we're discussing.
Woodbury, Gessel, Clemmons and Uthoff as a transfer was pretty good. If this current class ends up better then Iowa may have something.
The argument against trying a guy for 1-2 minutes a game, when they played well against good competition, is silly. He struggles, he sits. He plays well, he gets a couple more..... easy. If he doesn't play well several times, don't use him again.
why that wasn't done speaks volumes of frans inability to manage minutes in a game.
why that wasn't done speaks volumes of frans inability to manage minutes in a game.
Hasn't the statute of limitations run on ridiculing a guy that played maybe 150 minutes because there was literally no other player on the bench that could have played the position-13 years ago?Josh was very important to winning the BTT last year with some quality minutes against Purdue. But I'm not sure he has been important in any other victory since then. I also said he mostly got garbage time against scrub teams with a little bit of run against some good teams, the Purdue game would be some of that run against good teams.
But either way, one play does not a career make. If it did, this guy would have been all conference after making this shot.
Any port in storm, right sailor. The Josh O mythology is only slightly less deranged than the Alex Padilla mythology. He played well, once. Most of the time he did little and tired after two or three trips up and down the court, where he would be sweating like he just ran a marathon.
I like the kid. He did everything asked of him that he could do. I hope he latches on and gets some time wherever he lands.
Actually that’s not true. He never really did do all that was asked of him. He was given another opportunity by Fran after announcing he was leaving last year and still came back in the shape of a 60 year old man. Seems like a great kid that has some soft hands and ability around the basket but either didn’t have the discipline to get in shape or just didn’t care enough.
Ulis I've heard is visiting mid majors. I think Loyola Chicago and Grand Canyon were schools that he's visited.
Loyola would be good destination imo
Ulis should have no problem finding a place to play, although it won't be a top program. Josh might need to find a league that only plays half-court.
I think he liked to eat and disliked weight training and P5 basketball just was not for him. I don't expect kids to go above their inherent limitations.
Josh won’t play at a mid major either with the shape he’s in.
Its really interesting that the market is hotter for guys who played at lower mid major programs than a guy like Ullis. I wonder if this will change recruiting going forward
to bad none of you know what he was going thru, its called long term covid. its something you never get over.
maybe some of you need to come down it, then you will understand what he s going thru and then STFU.
maybe some of you need to come down it, then you will understand what he s going thru and then STFU.
If true, like the big guy from UNI then I certainly apologize. Not sure why we wouldn’t say that was his story. UNI was clear from the beginning that Phyfe was dealing with it.
some don't like putting stuff like that out. some feel it is a excuse
