Josh O./Ulis to the portal
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Aaron's biggest problem has been his inability to score or consistently initiate offense,.. that's not on Fran's system.
100% agree
@ChiPackHawk question, how can kris not be ready at the end of a season and be the 2nd best player on team the next year, on,y second to a lotto pick? Please explain your thinking??
@Steamboat529529 is correct
It’s a good thing you’ll accept it. It’s coming but it could be a couple years.
Hope they can learn it during practice because the experts on here have stated that game time experience isn’t beneficial in developing confidence or slowing the game speed down so they are more comfortable on the floor.
Because I watched him play and struggle whenever he did get on the court. It's OK - he worked and got better. I'm not sure why everyone thinks stars are stars from day 1. Are you forgetting too that literally he had very few D-1 offers and Fran was crucified for giving a scholly to him? Or is that going to be revisionist history now as well?
It's a small sample size, but in the 3 or 4 WV games I watched Joe T was on the bench at the end of the game. He played more minutes than he did at Iowa, but it seemed like Huggins had the same concerns with Joe T as Fran did in crunch time.
Kris was the 2nd best player on the team his sophomore year? That's pretty debatable considering he was 4th on the team in scoring and at least 3rd in rebounding. Tell me, where did Kris fit in his freshman year? I suggest you go back and watch the end of games when he did get in. He wasn't ready. That is no discredit to him because he worked and got better.
Loved Joe T. Wish he was here this season. But the 21-22 season turned around when Fran moved JT back to a bench role and started Bohannon at the 1 and Perk at the 2.
And that's really not debatable.
Maybe his metrics were good because he played in only 2-3 minute increments. To me, it looked like Josh could barely get up and down the court after a couple of minutes. JMO, but I believe his performance would have dropped off dramatically (particularly on the defensive end), if he had to play longer stretches.
He was in at the end of many of the games I watched and I caught about 10
I still find it hard to believe this is about minutes. Going anywhere else is not a guarantee of minutes. He was a starter this year. Clearly Bowen isnt ahead of him or else he would have taken up more minutes down the stretch and not less. I really doubt Fran can or would predict minutes for next year having no idea what the portal brings or how the freshman develop. That said, if the kid couldnt be promised minutes and left because of that then he made a pretty questionable move.
correlation doesn't equal causation. Better shooting happened for jordan and it wasn't because of perkins. I also recall that when the subs came in we often looked better and played better defense.
perkins has his moments but that aren't often.
I do agree there is very small samples sets, no question,
however that theory you posit was only demonstrated one time, at Purdue, 16m 7 pts, 5 Reb vs Eddy , Willams et Al, the best big man trio in country,,or aginst Kofi, played very well.
quite plainly, Fran never gave him a chance to play, that is a fact.
Do you even watch the games?
Murray twins 54 minutes 14 rebounds 4 Assists 24 points
Conner and Jbo 56 minutes 5 rebounds 6 assists 6 points.
But lets blame the Murray twins for not being good enough to overcome Frans blunder of using Conner at all and specifically Conner with JBO.
I'd hate to see how you would describe the play of everyone not named Keegan if you think Kris struggled whenever he got on the court.
Terrible post. Both guys appeared to be great teammates and stayed out of trouble. Wish them well and move on.
The caveat with that highlight reel is that he looks good against Iowa's D. Not that high of a bar, actually.The reasoning is probably Amarion Nimmers
Check out his highlights and the discussion here:
Amarion Nimmers Practice Highlights are IMPRESSIVE. On Aug 3, enters Transfer Portal
Driving and dishing. Nailing 3's. Driving and pulling up for mid range jumpers. Easily beating defenders off the dribble. Impressive hops. My god, he even makes Mulvey look good. ;) Check this out & watch:iowa.forums.rivals.com
Not to mention Gilyard just shredded our backcourt in that Richmond game. Backdoor cut after backdoor cut. 🤦♂️
Friend, Josh O wasn't it. He was never going to be it. He physically was exhausted after 2 minutes on the court. How is this your fight?
Once again - as a freshman! On the 2020/21 team. If you think he was ready at that time there is really nothing I can say to change that. By the logic of so many is he should have taken minutes away from JW because Joe wasn't drafted in the 1st round and Kris likely will be this upcoming draft. Or maybe Garza because he struggles to stay in the league. Or Connor for sure because we know he has no shot at the NBA and certainly would have gotten the ball to Garza better than him. Keegan too because, well just because. JBo, I'm sure Kris' ball handling abilities at that time made it just plain incompetence that he was not a starting point guard. Joe T had no business playing in front of him either because his on ball defense was inferior to Kris'. Michael Baer was a waste of time being on the floor because he was once a walk-on. Jack Nunge - no way! CJ - yep, Kris was certainly a better option at off guard at the time. Ah, then there is Patrick - no way because he was the coach's son. All should have stepped aside for the guy with 1-2 D-1 offers because everyone knew he was going to be the best player on the team as a junior, 2 1/2 years later, because he worked hard in the off seasons to get there. Yep - that's how it should have all played out.
Respectfully submitting a Question, How do you explain the Purdue performance? As it’s direct evidence against your assertion.
not just purdue but he played Cockburn and TCU. He was great against TCU. I'd say his good performances outnumbered his bad. I'm not saying he's a world beater but he should have got more play.
Everyone just defaults to fat and out of shape. Lazy argument.
To be fair two things can be true at the same time. Fran didn't play him enough and he was out of shape. He was always sucking wind after 4 minutes of play. I don't think as a coach that means don't play him but he was definitely out of shape for a power 5 player. Again this is the Fran values offense over defense as to why Rebraca played so much this year. Short segments from big men to spell your big men is good coaching to me. Fran went small this year when Rebraca was out of the game and the majority of games it didn't work out. I don't blame Fran for his strategy because he clearly didn't trust Josh and Mulvey this year. I don't have enough evidence of their play to say that they should've played more.
Josh will be back when nobody picks him up and Fran will be happy to waste another scholarship on him.
Joe averaged 17 minutes/ game during his last year at Iowa.
He wanted 30 minutes/game, Fran would not guarantee that, so he moved on. There were no hard feelings, from all reports.
And what did Joe end up with at West Virginia? Just 22 minutes/game. Not exactly the 30 he was looking for.
In the 34 games he played in at West Virginia, here was his playing time:
* 30 minutes or more 3 times
* 19 minutes OR LESS 13 times
Difference is this year we have $$ available. I feel pretty good about getting a starting level post transfer (better than Braun).
I thought him blowing by Kris Murray, Dasonte Bowen, etc. was pretty impressive for a walk on.
11 minutes against TCU, for 0 points, 1 assist, 1 block and 2 TO's. That is great?
And in 2 career games against Illinois with cockburn, Josh had:
3 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds.
People only remember like 2-3 plays from Josh in 3 years and think he still has some sort of untapped potential. Fran has always been generous to a fault when it comes to dishing out playing time. If Josh still can't find the court under Fran, I will trust that he just doesn't have it.
I don't think we'll have any scholarships available this time...
When a back up big comes in you just expect him to hold his own. Which he did, otherwise he wouldn't have played 11 minutes against TCU.
If I told you a backup center had 2 points and 3 rebounds in 3 minutes against the 7'4" potential college player of the year, you might be inclined ask why they didn't play a little bit in games.
Let's not act like his #'s tell the only story of how he played in the game. Was josh some sort of all star fran forced to the bench, no. Did he warrant a few minutes here or there, yep.
In a game Iowa gets beat by 13,
- PMac plays 15Min with Iowa a -20
- Ogundele plays 11min with IOWA +5
playing Defense is so unrecognized that it’s endemic for IOWA fans.
when players shut down the other team from scoring, stop them from getting second chance points via offensive rebounds, contesting shots in paint, your team generally performs well, like we see here.
watch video that shows excellent defense resulting in FGA missed badly, but to those here, that is worth nothing because it didn’t result in a rebound or blocked shot,
then see the speed to get down court and get early position.
the kid was underutilized
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Ulis is transferring because he's just not that good and he's never been that good. He's basically been a replacement level player at the Big 10 level for 3 years.
Fran is one of the best offensive coaches in the country. If you can't make his system work for your offensive game it's not going to work.
I liked Josh when he matched up against the huge bigs.I am not sure that he fit into Frans system.
You can't use efficiency ratings to describe Josh. His sample size isn't very large. Many of his minutes in his career were in garbage time against scrub teams. He had a couple of extended runs in his career against good teams where he showed promise.
What you can use is the eyeball test. He could only play about 2 or 3 minutes of game time in our up and down the court offense before being gassed. What we don't know is how long he needed on the bench to rest before coming back in. Either way, this wasn't the offense that was going to work for him. He was a good teammate and there shouldn't be hard feelings from any fan.
If anything we all should be wondering why Fran gave him a scholarship in the first place knowing the style of play he coaches for. There's a reason most people here aren't upset that Bluder didn't get Audi Crooks to commit when she likely would struggle staying in the game with Bluder's fast-scoring offense.
What you can use is the eyeball test. He could only play about 2 or 3 minutes of game time in our up and down the court offense before being gassed. What we don't know is how long he needed on the bench to rest before coming back in. Either way, this wasn't the offense that was going to work for him. He was a good teammate and there shouldn't be hard feelings from any fan.
If anything we all should be wondering why Fran gave him a scholarship in the first place knowing the style of play he coaches for. There's a reason most people here aren't upset that Bluder didn't get Audi Crooks to commit when she likely would struggle staying in the game with Bluder's fast-scoring offense.
Another possible argument would be that he entered the portal last year and it seems like no one was interested in him. And I really have to wonder if many will show much interest this year.
Scoring and getting the and 1 vs POY isn’t really garbage time in B1G Tourney
of course PMac took his minutes in this years 1 and done
