Just remember folks, its the democrats that think we need to keep everything locked down.

[Joes Place]

The mRNA vaccines aren't vaccines in the traditional definition of the word.

They certainly are.

No different than seasonal flu vaccines. Respiratory viruses like flu and Covid mutate too much to allow vaccines to remain fully effective against them. Additionally, Covid has new tricks that most viruses do not have, which shut your immune system down to gain a greater foothold before it can kick in.

Again, this has been explained to you many times. How many times does it need to be repeated, before it sinks in for you?

5?
10?
100?

 

[SB_SB]

So please explain how Joe Biden, with multiple jabs that presumably were tailored to the virus of the moment, and wearing masks everywhere and anywhere, still got Covid and and Covid rebound.

The mRNA vaccines aren't vaccines in the traditional definition of the word. They are more like taking a Zicam for a cold.

Of course, you can never admit to being wrong. Once you stake out a position, you stay with it forever, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

BTW, Fauci is on record saying cloth drugstore masks are mostly ineffective against COVID because of small particle size. Of course that was in a private e-mail sent to a doctor friend.

I get it that you don't like Joe, but come on, you're smart enough to understand this rather than repeating the far right talking points. Just look at the group of posters you're hanging with on this topic, you know better. Like most things in life, things aren't black and white, right and wrong. Of course the vaccines saved lives. Of course masks prevented the spread or reduced the load. Did those things help 100% of the time, no they didn't. It depended on other factors. Surely you can see that and move on.

 

[Joes Place]

I get it that you don't like Joe, but come on, you're smart enough to understand this rather than repeating the far right talking points. Just look at the group of posters you're hanging with on this topic, you know better. Like most things in life, things aren't black and white, right and wrong. Of course the vaccines saved lives. Of course masks prevented the spread or reduced the load. Did those things help 100% of the time, no they didn't. It depended on other factors. Surely you can see that and move on.

No; he cannot.

He truly is this lost on the topic, and only follows the right-wing memes.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Rough day for ol' Fauci.

 

[Finance85]

They certainly are.

No different than seasonal flu vaccines. Respiratory viruses like flu and Covid mutate too much to allow vaccines to remain fully effective against them. Additionally, Covid has new tricks that most viruses do not have, which shut your immune system down to gain a greater foothold before it can kick in.

Again, this has been explained to you many times. How many times does it need to be repeated, before it sinks in for you?

5?
10?
100?

They
Don't
Prevent
Infection
Or
Spread

They are also focused only on the spike protein instead of how most vaccines stimulate multiple defenses.

Finally, you explaining anything is worthless because you are wrong so often that it's impossible to distinguish when you might actually be right. I'm being generous in suggesting you my be right sometimes.

 

[SB_SB]

Rough day for ol' Fauci.

Why, was he asked to throw out a first pitch again?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Why, was he asked to throw out a first pitch again?

He was throwing junk but it wasn't from 90 feet.....heyoooo

 

[Joes Place]

They
Don't
Prevent
Infection
Or
Spread

Yes
They
Do
Just
Not
100%

 

[SB_SB]

He was throwing junk but it wasn't from 90 feet.....heyoooo

Good thing you spent your time paying attention to it and then even have the time to want to discuss it on here.

 

[DFSNOLE]

He was throwing junk but it wasn't from 90 feet.....heyoooo

Tell me you're not a sports fan without saying you're not a sports fan.

 

[IAChedda]

LMAO!!!! An "Infowars" link? Jeebus.

Read some actual medical literature. The VIRUS is what has been causing heart problems for people.
The vaccines are linked with REDUCING your virus-caused sequelae following exposure

Scientists are already linking higher mortality rates to prior Covid infections, due to those sequelae. And, when vaccines might drop your risks of those sequelae in half or better, they are a pretty good hedge against future Covid-related health problems.

NOTE that much of the data in these links PREDATES the Covid vaccines.

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Heart attacks and strokes late after Covid

The body of evidence expands

erictopol.substack.com

One question from these 4 reports is whether the excess in major cardiovascular outcomes is influenced by vaccination, since none of the studies above provided insight about that important matter. We have 2 recent studies that replicate, one from South Korea’s national database and the other from the United States NIH Consortium known as N3C (National COVID Cohort Collaborative, National Center for Advancing Translation Sciences), both showing approximate halving of heart attack and stroke for people vaccinated compared with matched unvaccinated controls.

...

Our analyses censoring participants at time of vaccination and controlling for vaccination as a time-varying covariate show that the increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis reported in this study is significant in people who were not vaccinated and is evident regardless of vaccination status.

I have yet to hear of anyone that had heart problems that didn’t also get the vaccine.

I don’t care if it’s from infowars, the doctor shows his work

 

[IAChedda]

He's (probably) not a real doctor


Al-Aly’s first study has now been replicated by others. It’s an inconvenient truth that Covid is associated with an excess of heart attacks and strokes beyond the first month of infection. That can no longer be ignored or refuted. The positive outlook is that these studies zoomed in on patients infected in the pre-vaccine era, and subsequently we’ve seen that vaccinations were linked with halving the adverse outcomes. But even with vaccination the rate isn’t zero.

It’s all the more reason to avoid getting Covid or a reinfection. While it is likely we have moved to an endemic state in the US, with 90% cases accounted for by the XBB.1.5 variant, and no increases in hospitalizations or deaths for many weeks, it doesn't mean Covid is over. The virus is still circulating and will continue to do so for years ahead. That’s also why we need better ways to protect against infections, like nasal vaccines. While we’re waiting for those (which should have already been validated and made available), please continue to take caution.

So you think my friend went to a plumber or what? You’re a buffoon, just give it some time. Doctors will become more comfortable speaking out soon

 

[Joes Place]

I have yet to hear of anyone that had heart problems that didn’t also get the vaccine.

Then you haven't read much scientific literature about this virus.

 

[Joes Place]

So you think my friend went to a plumber or what?

I think your friend got heart issues from actual Covid exposure.
Which the vaccines are roughly 50% or better at protecting against - based on JUST the original two doses.

Expectation is the bi-valent doses are even more protective.