What "rules"?
That new infectious viruses will spread rapidly if you do not implement mitigations to slow the spread?
Just remember folks, its the democrats that think we need to keep everything locked down.
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That new infectious viruses will spread rapidly if you do not implement mitigations to slow the spread?
LOL
"says the doctor"
Your buddy probably should have cut back on the bacon and McDonald's breakfasts over the years.
Says the guy that most likely wanted/wants me to show papers to cross borders to make sure I’m vaccinated
Good one Joe. There are plenty of these stories going around and shame on you for not even taking into consideration that there can be harmful effects from an unproven, emergency use authorized vaccine that got pushed through way too fast.
What rules? The one where we're not letting foreign nationals into the country unless they've had a vax that doesn't prevent catching or spreading a virus. That one. You, pfizer, and a few middle eastern bass awkward countries are the only ones still supporting it. Nicely done big pharma boy. Hope it's worth selling out for.
A good read for those that haven't already sold out completely.
"To be clear, public health officials were not wrong for making recommendations based on what was known at the time.
That’s understandable. You go with the data you have.
No, they were wrong because they refused to change their directives in the face of new evidence.
When a study did not support their policies, they dismissed it and censored opposing opinions."
nypost.com
"To be clear, public health officials were not wrong for making recommendations based on what was known at the time.
That’s understandable. You go with the data you have.
No, they were wrong because they refused to change their directives in the face of new evidence.
When a study did not support their policies, they dismissed it and censored opposing opinions."
10 myths told by COVID experts — and now debunked
In the past few weeks, a series of analyses published by highly respected researchers have exposed a truth about public health officials during COVID.
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Yep
"stories"
Not anything documented in any medical journals - not even a case study in any journal.
We refer to your "stories" as "internet propaganda". I'm going to bet you have no "colleague" this happened to; you got in an email from rightwing "sources".
That was prudent policy, when the pandemic was in full swing.
Is that the current policy?
I wasn’t aware that the cdc and others dispute risk of myocarditis and pericarditis after vaccination. NBC had an article about it a while back even. I know you guys have some weird resurgence of trust in big pharma these days but maybe take what they say with a grain of salt. One instance would be how we were told the vaccine stops transmission just to later admit they never tested it.
Maybe open your horizons. You may have to not search on Google or YouTube but there are plenty of people talking about their experiences with the vaccine. The spike protein clogging arteries videos are out there too.
I could have my buddy record a video of him talking about his issue with medical documents and it wouldn’t matter one bit to you.
Good grief; we still have people coming into southern borders where Covid risks can be high that we require to be vaccinated if they want to claim asylum.
Rich people just want to not have rules apply to them.
My buddy is getting an ablation but I fail to see why surgeries are being brought up?
The UK Lockdown Files: Text Messages Reveal How Top British Health Officials Conspired to “Scare the Pants Off Everyone” and Asking “When Do We Deploy the New Variant?”
The British Telegraph has obtained 100.000 text messages from former UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, showing how the British government conspired to “frighten the pants off everyone” and asking “when do we deploy the new variant?”
The British Telegraph has obtained 100.000 text messages from former UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, showing how the British government conspired to “frighten the pants off everyone” and asking “when do we deploy the new variant?”
The Telegraph received the WhatsApp messages from journalist Isabel Oakeshott, who wrote a book with Hancock called “The Pandemic Diaries”. They show former Health Secretary Matt Hancock discussing with his media adviser Damon Poole on Dec. 13, 2020, who warned that Tory MPs were “furious already about the prospect” of stricter lockdown measures over Christmas and suggested “rather than doing too much forward signalling we can roll pitch with the new strain.”
“We frighten the pants off everyone with the new strain,” Hancock wrote back.
“Yep that’s what will get proper bahviour [sic] change,” Poole replied.
When do we deploy the new variant?” Hancock asked.
“Been thinking about this and think we need to be more cautious. The strain that is,” Poole wrote back. “Think you made the point earlier, but we need to keep schools off paperwork / agenda.” The Christmas lockdown 2020 was surprisingly announced Dec. 19.
In Jan. 2021, Hancock was discussing further measures with Cabinet Secretary Simon Case, including “more mask wearing … in all settings outside home”. Case wrote that “the fear/guilt factor” is “vital” in getting more lockdown compliance.
“Basically, we need to get compliance up,” Case wrote, but said some measures – like a ban on fishing – “will be parodied galore if it looks like we have suddenly decided fishing is the first step towards tier 5!”
“I honestly wouldn’t move on any small things unless we move on a lot. The only big reamaining [sic] things are nurseries and workplaces,” Hancock wrote.
“I agree – I think that is exactly right. Small stuff looks ridiculous. Ramping up messaging – the fear/guilt factor vital”, Case replied.
In June 2021, Hancock had to step down as Health Secretary after photos emerged showing he had violated social distancing rules to pursue an extramarital affair with UK Department of Health employee Gina Coladangelo, who was earning £15,000 a month. Hancock and Coladangelo were both married at the time and have since left their families.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson had to resign Sept. 6, 2022 over the so-called Partygate affair, after his employees held parties at 10 Downing Street, as the country was ordered into complete lockdown.
The UK Lockdown Files: Text Messages Reveal How Top British Health Officials Conspired to "Scare the Pants Off Everyone" and Asking "When Do We Deploy the New Variant?" | The Gateway Pundit | by Richard Abelson
The British Telegraph has obtained 100.000 text messages from former UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, showing how the British government conspired to “frighten the pants off everyone” and asking “when do we deploy the new variant?” The Telegraph received the messages from journalist Isabel...
www.thegatewaypundit.com
From the gateway pundit?The UK Lockdown Files: Text Messages Reveal How Top British Health Officials Conspired to “Scare the Pants Off Everyone” and Asking “When Do We Deploy the New Variant?”
The British Telegraph has obtained 100.000 text messages from former UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, showing how the British government conspired to “frighten the pants off everyone” and asking “when do we deploy the new variant?”
The Daily Telegraph released WhatsApp messages from ex-UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, who resigned 2021 over an office affair
The British Telegraph has obtained 100.000 text messages from former UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, showing how the British government conspired to “frighten the pants off everyone” and asking “when do we deploy the new variant?”
The Telegraph received the WhatsApp messages from journalist Isabel Oakeshott, who wrote a book with Hancock called “The Pandemic Diaries”. They show former Health Secretary Matt Hancock discussing with his media adviser Damon Poole on Dec. 13, 2020, who warned that Tory MPs were “furious already about the prospect” of stricter lockdown measures over Christmas and suggested “rather than doing too much forward signalling we can roll pitch with the new strain.”
“We frighten the pants off everyone with the new strain,” Hancock wrote back.
“Yep that’s what will get proper bahviour [sic] change,” Poole replied.
When do we deploy the new variant?” Hancock asked.
“Been thinking about this and think we need to be more cautious. The strain that is,” Poole wrote back. “Think you made the point earlier, but we need to keep schools off paperwork / agenda.” The Christmas lockdown 2020 was surprisingly announced Dec. 19.
In Jan. 2021, Hancock was discussing further measures with Cabinet Secretary Simon Case, including “more mask wearing … in all settings outside home”. Case wrote that “the fear/guilt factor” is “vital” in getting more lockdown compliance.
“Basically, we need to get compliance up,” Case wrote, but said some measures – like a ban on fishing – “will be parodied galore if it looks like we have suddenly decided fishing is the first step towards tier 5!”
“I honestly wouldn’t move on any small things unless we move on a lot. The only big reamaining [sic] things are nurseries and workplaces,” Hancock wrote.
“I agree – I think that is exactly right. Small stuff looks ridiculous. Ramping up messaging – the fear/guilt factor vital”, Case replied.
In June 2021, Hancock had to step down as Health Secretary after photos emerged showing he had violated social distancing rules to pursue an extramarital affair with UK Department of Health employee Gina Coladangelo, who was earning £15,000 a month. Hancock and Coladangelo were both married at the time and have since left their families.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson had to resign Sept. 6, 2022 over the so-called Partygate affair, after his employees held parties at 10 Downing Street, as the country was ordered into complete lockdown.
The UK Lockdown Files: Text Messages Reveal How Top British Health Officials Conspired to "Scare the Pants Off Everyone" and Asking "When Do We Deploy the New Variant?" | The Gateway Pundit | by Richard Abelson
The British Telegraph has obtained 100.000 text messages from former UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, showing how the British government conspired to “frighten the pants off everyone” and asking “when do we deploy the new variant?” The Telegraph received the messages from journalist Isabel...
The idea was noble, what resulted doesn’t seem to be what we were told the vaccine would do.
Well they never tested for resistance to transmission so I don’t think they cared
Ahh yes, the old attack the source hail mary. How bout doing some unbiased research on the author, or do you prefer your head stay in the sand? All you trust the science parrots are nothing but partisan hypocrites.
That's for some pre-existing condition. Nothing to do with vaccines.
YOU brought surgeries up, remember? And implied they were due to vaccines.
And spike proteins do not "clog arteries". Atherosclerosis does, due to genetics and poor diet.
For any of it, they never tested it. They’ve said so during sworn testimony.
I don’t know how a drug company could say it stops transmission and then say “but there is a new variant.” A basic understanding of pathogens would let you know that’s what happens. So either you were lied to or they aren’t smart enough to know about variants. My money is on one.
How does one say someone had a pre existing condition without knowing anything about someone’s medical history? I assure you this young male had no heart issues.
I brought up myocarditis and pericarditis.
Interesting read
This doctor disagrees with you
LMAO!!!! An "Infowars" link? Jeebus.
Read some actual medical literature. The VIRUS is what has been causing heart problems for people.
The vaccines are linked with REDUCING your virus-caused sequelae following exposure
Scientists are already linking higher mortality rates to prior Covid infections, due to those sequelae. And, when vaccines might drop your risks of those sequelae in half or better, they are a pretty good hedge against future Covid-related health problems.
NOTE that much of the data in these links PREDATES the Covid vaccines.
One question from these 4 reports is whether the excess in major cardiovascular outcomes is influenced by vaccination, since none of the studies above provided insight about that important matter. We have 2 recent studies that replicate, one from South Korea’s national database and the other from the United States NIH Consortium known as N3C (National COVID Cohort Collaborative, National Center for Advancing Translation Sciences), both showing approximate halving of heart attack and stroke for people vaccinated compared with matched unvaccinated controls.
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Our analyses censoring participants at time of vaccination and controlling for vaccination as a time-varying covariate show that the increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis reported in this study is significant in people who were not vaccinated and is evident regardless of vaccination status.
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He's (probably) not a real doctor
Al-Aly’s first study has now been replicated by others. It’s an inconvenient truth that Covid is associated with an excess of heart attacks and strokes beyond the first month of infection. That can no longer be ignored or refuted. The positive outlook is that these studies zoomed in on patients infected in the pre-vaccine era, and subsequently we’ve seen that vaccinations were linked with halving the adverse outcomes. But even with vaccination the rate isn’t zero.
It’s all the more reason to avoid getting Covid or a reinfection. While it is likely we have moved to an endemic state in the US, with 90% cases accounted for by the XBB.1.5 variant, and no increases in hospitalizations or deaths for many weeks, it doesn't mean Covid is over. The virus is still circulating and will continue to do so for years ahead. That’s also why we need better ways to protect against infections, like nasal vaccines. While we’re waiting for those (which should have already been validated and made available), please continue to take caution.
It reads like someone conveying actual risks of a medical condition arising from a virus.
Don't bother reading what medical professionals tell you about measles, if this freaks you out.
(SPOILER: Measles erases your immune system's memory if you aren't vaccinated)
You posted a graph predicting 2.5 million deaths in the US in the first year. Your goalpost moved when you said, "well that's with no mitigation". You continue to claim that mRNA vaccines prevent illness, when even the POTUS has had COVID despite many jabs and mask wearing, etc. You've been so wrong so many times.
...which was BASED ON NO MITIGATIONS. That was pointed out to you dozens of times. Along with the need to "bend the curve" to prevent it.
I posted those "bending the curve" plots for you, and showed you where they started to occur; which was by the end of March 2020.
The mitigations of the masks that didn’t work? Or, the vaccines that didn’t work?
Or, was it closing schools and businesses, which also didn’t work.
Pretty easy to make up a number, then when you’re wrong, you can also just make up a reason why. Never have to admit you’re wrong that way.
Or, was it closing schools and businesses, which also didn’t work.
Pretty easy to make up a number, then when you’re wrong, you can also just make up a reason why. Never have to admit you’re wrong that way.
The vaccines have worked magnificently. It's why we no longer have the deaths tolls we had in early 2020.
Additionally, the vaccines are now identified as dropping your risks of heart problems and other Covid sequelae in half, when you get exposed to the virus.
The vaccines designed for a covid strain from 2020 were responsible for saving lives in 2022? When they wear off in 3 months…
Or, is it more likely that the standard of care in hospitals evolved to better treat patients and save more lives?
Or, is it more likely that the standard of care in hospitals evolved to better treat patients and save more lives?
Yes
That is what the evidence shows us. AND, the two-dose regimen is now identified as lowering your risks of heart damage, etc over not being vaccinated when you get exposed to Covid.
Or how they are still helping when they wore off well over a year ago, and were designed for a strain no longer circulating?
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You can't do this one on your own, Cletus?
- Vaccines were only 90% effective at the outset. We all know that declined over time. That means 10% of the people may not have been conferred much protection from them
- Most of those dying are older; vaccines can prevent lots of deaths, not every death
- Vaccines were designed against the original variants, NOT Delta or Omicron; you want better protection against those variants, you get the bi-valent vaccines. Many who died did not have this opportunity
- Some people cannot mount an immune response to the vaccines and will not be conferred protection from them, anyway; they rely on the rest of us to get vaccinated, mask up and lower the risks of spreading the virus
Just how uneducated are you, that you cannot learn this stuff for yourself? It's been explained to you countless times on this board.
So please explain how Joe Biden, with multiple jabs that presumably were tailored to the virus of the moment, and wearing masks everywhere and anywhere, still got Covid and and Covid rebound.
The mRNA vaccines aren't vaccines in the traditional definition of the word. They are more like taking a Zicam for a cold.
Of course, you can never admit to being wrong. Once you stake out a position, you stay with it forever, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.
BTW, Fauci is on record saying cloth drugstore masks are mostly ineffective against COVID because of small particle size. Of course that was in a private e-mail sent to a doctor friend.
Easy: vaccines aren't 100% foolproof. But Biden is in the high-risk category, and he did not need any extraordinary measures to remain healthy. Unlike Trump, who required antibody therapy to keep him alive.
