Kade Blume

[cypower1]

Anybody can make a mistake. Especially kids.

Capitol punishment for a minor and a sex crime? Sounds like something Ya’ll Kaida would come up with.

I think calling what Blume did to another human being "a mistake" is just gross. Drinking underage, cheating on a test, vandalizing property, etc. is a mistake. This is sexual assault and had he done it to a female, would likely not have had the luxury of pleading it down to juvenile court.

 

[el dub]

I think calling what Blume did to another human being "a mistake" is just gross. Drinking underage, cheating on a test, vandalizing property, etc. is a mistake. This is sexual assault and had he done it to a female, would likely not have had the luxury of pleading it down to juvenile court.

I get it. Bad judgement with juveniles is a tough one.

I agree with you on the gender swap detail, btw.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Why IHSAA stayed out of it, and it fell to the Roland-Story School Board

https://who13.com/news/ihsaa-responds-to-questions-about-students-violating-code-of-conduct/

 

[bourbon n blues]

A plea from adult to juvenile had to be agreed upon by all parties, with the stiffest being the Prosecutor/District Attorney. Once in juvenile, most everything will be sealed.
The School board member who spoke out and resigned did so as a lone person. Never good when you step out of what was discussed by attorney's. None of the others spoke except the President.
Having done victim advocacy, most here are jumping all over what is perceived as blatant disregard by many people in the school district. Never the true case.
Passion and outrage are not how the system works. Some outcomes never seem fair. No crime should be diminished, but there are so many people involved who have rights it can be hard to comprehend. The perpetrator has rights, the victim has rights, the school district, witnesses, accomplisses, parents. In the end we always conclude there are no "winners" and there shouldn't be.
This should not be litigated in the press, tried in the press or be sensationalized. As hard as it may seem to some of you, the kid has to have some serious counseling. You don't keep the kid from becoming a worse sex offender by punishment of an extreme nature. Swallow hard because that sucks... As a society we can make monsters worse.
Always sucks for the victim, but the end to the means is to keep from having more victims. What has already happened we can't change. The goal is no more victims.

You make very good points here, but I’m gonna give you a different perspective. I have a friend who is a state police officer in Pennsylvania, who has investigated many sexual crimes involving schools, charities, businesses, and churches. Most involving child sexual abuse. In his experience, by the time he got to it there was always a cover-up. 100% of the time those in charge tried to cover things up. Now he told me this 11 years ago in Sandusky thing broke.
Due to this and the perception that victims often do not get justice, people get outraged. I knew of a similar case like this in my area that was somewhat whitewashed, this was thirty years ago fwiw.
It appears that things are changing at least some degree for the party by what I’m seeing lately and that’s a good thing .

 

[T8KUDWN]

I am always around and what is my belief? I am so far from an enabler that you would be backtracking. So you just jumped to conclusions about what I posted, that is not an opinion. I have a degree in Behavioral Science with a Masters in Kinesiology. If you knew what I believed you would by me a shot and say oh okay... Anytime you want to meet I am at all the home wrestling.

Lol, I really don't care what you have for degrees
I told myself when this thread started not to post in it
I guess I only have myself to blame for getting caught up in this idiotic conversation

 

[ChiPackHawk]

The district attorney has nothing to do with school district code of conduct. Those are separate entities with different focuses and mandates.

Umm - the district’s attorney is supposed to be an advisor on certain topics such as the law and how to protect the district from law suits. If the attorney resigns, then you know the district ignored advice. I was basically agreeing with you but you’re so intent on arguing and trying to fight with me you can’t see that.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

A couple of quick questions - if schools need to wait until the final judgement to take action how do schools catch a kid at a party with alcohol and suspend them for 1/3 of a season? Or take any disciplinary action at all?

Addressing your 'If I can't or didn't I don't feel I should comment'
You go to a restaurant and your medium rare steak comes out well done. Unless you have worked in a commercial steakhouse please don't send that steak or comment on it.....
Go to the doctor for a hang nail and they amputate your hand, well unless you are a doctor............

If you feel the school board has done things correctly from the start, not from the point where legal got involved then we will agree to disagree.

I have no idea how they acted. I’m not in the room and neither are others commenting. I’m simply saying how they are supposed to act in accordance with public law. And I’ve never once said people can’t comment on this. I am saying you might want to pay more attention to people who just might have a tad bit more experience than some.

 

[Boomhawk52]

I mean would kids get in trouble for oil checking now adays??

 

[cidhawkeye]

I have no idea how they acted. I’m not in the room and neither are others commenting. I’m simply saying how they are supposed to act in accordance with public law. And I’ve never once said people can’t comment on this. I am saying you might want to pay more attention to people who just might have a tad bit more experience than some.

Your experience is appreciated. You have been very clear that they are now following legal advice on how to proceed. We haven't resolved the 'need to wait for final judgement yet schools boot kids for code of conduct violations every year' which is it?
Do you think(not know) the school followed protocol from the start? Based on your experiences.

FYI - your initial 'I have no idea how they acted' comment should disqualify you from commenting. But I am interested to get your actual opinion. If you can stay away from the circular, academia type of response that would be appreciated. A 'yes, with explanation' or 'no, with explanation' helps for a simple person such as myself.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

the district’s attorney is supposed to be an advisor on certain topics such as the law and how to protect the district from law suits

Thanks for clearing that up.

I didn't realize the school district and its board members of Roland-Story (which covers two cities and four counties) had an elected District Attorney to advise them.

Where I live there is a one-to-one overlap of county school district and an elected county district attorney.

So what you meant to convey makes more sense to me now, if that's the case. But only the Story County's attorney office seemed involved in the plea arrangement. Details.

I believe an elected District Attorney wouldn't resign if elected School Board members didn't follow their advice. I would think School Board membership wouldn't carry near the weight as a DA in the public's mind.

 

[el dub]

Umm - the district’s attorney is supposed to be an advisor on certain topics such as the law and how to protect the district from law suits. If the attorney resigns, then you know the district ignored advice. I was basically agreeing with you but you’re so intent on arguing and trying to fight with me you can’t see that.

Well, sorry about that.

 

[OILCHECKER]

I mean would kids get in trouble for oil checking now adays??

Not likely

 

[bourbon n blues]

Thanks for clearing that up.

I didn't realize the school district and its board members of Roland-Story (which covers two cities and four counties) had an elected District Attorney to advise them.

Where I live there is a one-to-one overlap of county school district and an elected county district attorney.

So what you meant to convey makes more sense to me now, if that's the case. But only the Story County's attorney office seemed involved in the plea arrangement. Details.

I believe an elected District Attorney wouldn't resign if elected School Board members didn't follow their advice. I would think School Board membership wouldn't carry near the weight as a DA in the public's mind.

District’s attorney vs a District attorney. They are two separate things.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Thanks for clearing that up.

I didn't realize the school district and its board members of Roland-Story (which covers two cities and four counties) had an elected District Attorney to advise them.

Where I live there is a one-to-one overlap of county school district and an elected county district attorney.

So what you meant to convey makes more sense to me now, if that's the case. But only the Story County's attorney office seemed involved in the plea arrangement. Details.

I believe an elected District Attorney wouldn't resign if elected School Board members didn't follow their advice. I would think School Board membership wouldn't carry near the weight as a DA in the public's mind.

The district should have an attorney that has been hired to give the district legal advice. A District Attorney Is an elected position. Grammar is your friend.

 

[el dub]

The district should have an attorney that has been hired to give the district legal advice. A District Attorney Is an elected position. Grammar is your friend.

Then that would be the school district attorney.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Then that would be the school district attorney.

Not necessarily - if it’s used possessive. A school district attorney or the school district’s attorney. Comprende?

 

[WSC72]

As much a Is hate to say it, just being accused of something is not enough to punish a kid. The courts have not thrown him in jail and declared him guilty. That will probably happen after the trial.

The school should not be able to declare him guilty either. I am sure he is being treated like a pariah and he is being avoided by many people, but still the school cannot punish him until something is settled in court.

Not accurate. Schools can hold students to the Good Conduct Policy while they are awaiting a court date. It all depends upon how the policy is written.

 

[el dub]

Not necessarily - if it’s used possessive. A school district attorney or the school district’s attorney. Comprende?

Either way it identifies the legal assistance as belonging to school and not the state prosecutor.

Btw, you’re identifying the same entity with both descriptions. A school district can have an attorney but district attorneys aren’t based on school districts.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Either way it identifies the legal assistance as belonging to school and not the state prosecutor.

I never once brought up the District Attorney in my comments about this case. Just to clarify the difference. And it’s not “either way” as the district’s attorney is one person, a school district attorney is one person, and a District Attorney is quite another. The first two could be the same person. Oh for F sake this is ridiculous.

 

[el dub]

Either way it identifies the legal assistance as belonging to school and not the state prosecutor

I never once brought up the District Attorney in my comments about this case. Just to clarify the difference. And it’s not “either way” as the district’s attorney is one person, a school district attorney is one person, and a District Attorney is quite another. The first two could be the same person. Oh for F sake this is ridiculous.

Huh? The districts attorney isn’t a thing. Unless you mean the school districts attorney or the District Attorney.

Either way the school district and perp’s family should be sued by victims lawyer.

 

[el dub]

I never once brought up the District Attorney in my comments about this case. Just to clarify the difference. And it’s not “either way” as the district’s attorney is one person, a school district attorney is one person, and a District Attorney is quite another. The first two could be the same person. Oh for F sake this is ridiculous.

Obfuscation.

 

[WSC72]

IHSAA Handbook

281-36.15(280) Eligibility requirements. 36.15(1) Local eligibility and student conduct rules. Local boards of education may impose additional eligibility requirements not in conflict with these rules. Nothing herein shall be construed to prevent a local school board from declaring a student ineligible to participate in interscholastic competition by reason of the student’s violation of rules adopted by the school pursuant to Iowa Code Sections 279.8 and 279.9.

I could find nothing similar to the Missouri excerpt in the body of the IHSAA rulebook.

This makes clear to me that individual local school boards drive conduct rules relative to eligibility.

Does Roland-Park's student conduct rules meet the criteria with respect to declaring a student ineligible? Were they adopted pursuant to the referenced Iowa Code sections?

I can assume they do and were, given there was a three meet suspension.

It may be time to lobby local school boards, or the IHSAA, to adopt code of conduct rules with a bit more teeth.

Look up Bunger v IHSAA
LINK

 

[el dub]

Look up Bunger v IHSAA
LINK

Item one: A boy who comes under the jurisdiction of any court for juvenile delinquency or becomes charged with a crime AUTOMATICALLY becomes ineligible to participate in sports. Drinking beer was the example given. Minor traffic violations don’t count.

There are penalties for schools allowing the boy to participate as well as opposing schools competing against known perps.

 

[WSC72]

Item one: A boy who comes under the jurisdiction or becomes charged with a crime AUTOMATICALLY becomes ineligible to participate in sports. Drinking beer was the example given. Minor traffic violations don’t count.

The point I was trying to make with that case is that the IAHSAA cannot create a blanket policy that all schools have to follow. It is up the local district.

Some districts policies are much more strict than others. Typically schools have levels of consequences that escalate with additional offenses.

Personally I have no idea what Roland Story has for a policy, but I would guess they followed it.

 

[el dub]

The point I was trying to make with that case is that the IAHSAA cannot create a blanket policy that all schools have to follow. It is up the local district.

Some districts policies are much more strict than others. Typically schools have levels of consequences that escalate with additional offenses.

Personally I have no idea what Roland Story has for a policy, but I would guess they followed it.

I’m not sure they did. I’m guessing they followed their interpretation based on pressure to go one way instead of other. That led to obfuscation on the part of school district, imo.

This is a no-brainer in the end. I hope the victims family sues their pants off.

 

[WSC72]

I’m not sure they did. I’m guessing they followed their interpretation based on pressure to go one way instead of other. That led to obfuscation on the part of school district, imo.

This is a no-brainer in the end. I hope the victims family sues their pants off.

I have no idea on how they made their decision. But, in the end the expulsion timing makes perfect sense.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Grammar is your friend

Yeah, "should" being key.

Alas, it is a largely absentee friend on HR (which is no kind of friend) 😉.

Didn't see any attorney listed as a Roland-Story employee list, though I presume they could have one on retainer or do need-based contracting.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Look up Bunger v IHSAA
LINK

Thanks. I saw the explanation in an IHSAA video (part of recent news article) that their hands were tied by Supreme Court ruling.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Huh? The districts attorney isn’t a thing. Unless you mean the school districts attorney or the District Attorney.

Either way the school district and perp’s family should be sued by victims lawyer.

You didn’t do too well in high school English class did you?

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Either way it identifies the legal assistance as belonging to school and not the state prosecutor.

Btw, you’re identifying the same entity with both descriptions. A school district can have an attorney but district attorneys aren’t based on school districts.

You really need to learn the difference between district, districts, and district’s. Is the cesspool really this shallow?

 

[el dub]

You didn’t do too well in high school English class did you?

I sure did. Remember the ITED’s? Btw, I have a degree in Spanish and taught English as a second language for years.

 

[el dub]

Your kid was accused of a crime. That was enough to get him kicked out of sports. The heinous nature of your son’s acts should be under the microscope, not semantics.

 

[WSC72]

Your kid was accused of a crime. That was enough to get him kicked out of sports. The heinous nature of your son’s acts should be under the microscope, not semantics.

You responded to yourself el dub?

 

[el dub]

You responded to yourself el dub?

No. Not intentionally. Lol it’s difficult to maintain proper THC levels for optimal performance while at work.

 

[lookleft goright]

I sure did. Remember the ITED’s? Btw, I have a degree in Spanish and taught English as a second language for years.

I would guess English is your second language. By the way, I speak pig latin.

 

[el dub]

You didn’t do too well in high school English class did you?

Your vocabulary word of the day is obfuscate.

 

[WSC72]

Your vocabulary word of the day is obfuscate.

In a sentence.

I am about as obfuscate as one can get.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Your vocabulary word of the day is obfuscate.

I never studied for English and instead decided I could just obfuscate my way through class.

 

[el dub]

OK - I'm done here. Do you think for one second the school district wants this kind of publicity? They are without question being advised to do what they are doing as a school district is viewed as a "deep pocket" because of its revenue base. What you are comparing this to is just not the same thing. Let's say the school district expelled him and the case goes to criminal court and it is ruled the school district did not act correctly and the case gets thrown out. How do you think you would feel? Pissed at the school district for acting incorrectly? More than likely.

I didn't wrestle in college so I keep my opinions on certain things to myself. I don't call average D-1 wrestlers garbage like I often read on here. Why, because if I can't or didn't and I don't feel like I should comment. I'm simply a long time fan.

The school code of conduct isn’t tied into the state criminal code. I’m guessing this is the type of harassment the school board faced from the old boys who wanted another state championship in wrestling.

 

[cidhawkeye]

The school code of conduct isn’t tied into the state criminal code. I’m guessing this is the type of harassment the school board faced from the old boys who wanted another state championship in wrestling.

The ‘he’s just a good kid who got carried away, boys will be boys, he feels real bad about it and you know he was a state champion and had a chance to be a 4 timer so you hate to take that away from him for a mistake’ crowd?